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I'm thinking probably grey Knights.

What do you guys think?

In what arena and setting, against who and with how much time for preparation? Also, what does 'power' mean in this context? Physical power or something more generalist?

The Ultramarines. They are the greatest of all Astartes.

Assuming fluffwise, it is Grey Knights, and it is not even close. Grey Knights utterly wipe the floor with other Astartes.

Gamewise, probably Ultramarines. They have Tigurius and their tactics synergise well with Skyhammer and grav centurions.

Fluff wise-Grey knights
Rules wise- Red scorpions (FNP on tac squads, Carab culln giving everyone LD10...Oh and Sevrin Loth, He would Stomp tigirus in a 1v1 (Picks Psychic powers and activates 2++ invun))

Is this 1v1 Grey Knights versus other chapter? If not, Grey Knights don't win out by that much. Their main strength is as daemonhunters. Apart from that and their psychic potential, they are pretty much just psychically warded Terminators. But then I'm going GK vs Dark Angels (who are pretty much a legion in their own right) or UM (calling on their descendants to aid them) or Space Wolves (who did actually fend off the GK in the aftermath of the 1st Armageddon War.)

I'd give the BA an edge over GK fluff-wise because Dante is a military genius. And fluff-wise, BA like to field a lot of weapons that crack terminator armor easily.

In terms of current tabletop power? basic Space Marines win.

In terms of background material? GK's as far as a single unique flavor goes.

Martel732 wrote:
I'd give the BA an edge over GK fluff-wise because Dante is a military genius. And fluff-wise, BA like to field a lot of weapons that crack terminator armor easily.

To be fair,, supposedly every SM chapter master is made out to be some sort of military super genius, and GK Grand Masters used to have very powerful special rules to back that up with their "Grand Strategy" thingy. Also, lots of SM's field lots of "terminator cracking" weapons.

This is the reason I wanted a setting. UM are better at most tactics, but a Black Templar would win most challengers in one-on-one ritualized close combat. Which of them is the more powerful?

" every SM chapter master is made out to be some sort of military super genius"

But to whom do they cede command to when the gak hits the fan? Just sayin'. I think GK are too specialized to be effective against non-daemons myself.

Martel732 wrote:
" every SM chapter master is made out to be some sort of military super genius"

But to whom do they cede command to when the gak hits the fan? Just sayin'.

Depends on the author and codex/book

I think GK are too specialized to be effective against non-daemons myself.

They're effective against lots of things, a Force Weapon will kill a Carnifex or Warboss dead just as easily as it will a Daemon Prince. They're just a lot choosier in what they'll fight against.

I think GK are too specialized to be effective against non-daemons myself.

They're effective against lots of things, a Force Weapon will kill a Carnifex or Warboss dead just as easily as it will a Daemon Prince. They're just a lot choosier in what they'll fight against.

GK are largely specialised for killing demons, they would struggle in larger wars

Individually imma say Sons of Antaeus

 The Wise Dane wrote:

Well that's exactly the problem. Against one Carnifex, a single regular Grey Knight has a higher chance than any other Space Marine to kill it, but then again, a Terminator with a Thunder Hammer could propably also do a lot of damage, if not outright kill it. Even a Centurion with drills could mush it up... And we're still talking one marine.¨

Aye, but other chapters aren't full of 1000 Terminators or 1000 Centurions, each GK has a Force Weapon.

Your point isn't invalid, but at the same time, we're talking about extremely tiny forces in general here, particularly on any sort of galactic scale.

GAdvance wrote:
GK are largely specialised for killing demons, they would struggle in larger wars

All Space Marine chapters would struggle in long wars.

Martel732 wrote:
I'd give the BA an edge over GK fluff-wise because Dante is a military genius. And fluff-wise, BA like to field a lot of weapons that crack terminator armor easily.

GK are also very overstrength, possibly by as many as 2000 brothers. I don't see any way the BA win that one. Yeah Dante is cool but Draigo has performed open heart surgery on a primarch before, so I'd call that one a wash.

 Silverthorne wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I'd give the BA an edge over GK fluff-wise because Dante is a military genius. And fluff-wise, BA like to field a lot of weapons that crack terminator armor easily.

GK are also very overstrength, possibly by as many as 2000 brothers. I don't see any way the BA win that one. Yeah Dante is cool but Draigo has performed open heart surgery on a primarch before, so I'd call that one a wash.

Draigo is lost in the warp isn't he? I've also always assumed chapter strength to be at least 1,000,000 regardless of the numbers in the fluff just so marines make any difference in a galactic theater at all. They'd likely need more like 1,000,000,000 space marines for each chapter to mean a thing.

I'm going to say a Chaos Space Marine Mutilator. I bet they could win any arm wrestling challenge. That's obviously the most powerful.

Well, in the fluff the GK are described to outclass regular Astartes pretty hard individually. They also have the nigh unlimited resources, basically getting any weaponry... or pretty much anything they require to do their duty from the Imperium. Psykers are described to be some of the most powerful beings there are, and all of them are Psykers, too.

Personally I kinda have a feeling that your average Astartes would just roll over and whimper before the duel would even begin, while the GK just stands there with his hand glowing all blue and stuff. Knowing only the Hammerhand psychic power ingame is merely descriptive ( and for gaming purposes ) - I got a strong feeling they can assault a mind with ease, as in vaurious books such tricks have been made by psykers far less competent than a GK, and they have taken down an Astartes with said psychic assault.

But, the regular Astartes would probably win, as the GK's brothers would instantly kill him for attacking another Astartes. The regulars brothers would instead wonder who the feck that steel armoured warrior was, as GK are pretty much a myth to everyone except themselves and rarely witnessed even by other Astartes.

I see a lot of people saying GK. Bammmmmm logan grimnar just decapitated you.

The answer is always the Adeptus Custodes. I don't care that they aren't Space Marines; they're better than Space Marines.

I think fluff wise it would be Minotaurs as I hardly count gk as marines and more as inquisition. However Minotaurs excel in eradication of renegade chapters as they tend to call themselves emperor's executioners.

Well, the GK are all psykers, that's pretty awesome. But I can't see them doing as well against a siege as the Imperial Fists or as well as a flanking force than the White Scars, etc.

 Vaktathi wrote:
All Space Marine chapters would struggle in long wars.

There are chapters dedicated to seige warfare, something the GK's with only landraiders and conversion beamers for proper heavy weaponry would struggle to deal with

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I'm thinking probably grey Knights.

Why?

 Skinnereal wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I'm thinking probably grey Knights.

Why?

Because their recruitment is more brutal, they all are psykers, and they get the best equipment in the imperium.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I'm thinking probably grey Knights.

What do you guys think?

adeptus custodes, technically they are space marines, and to put things plainly.

One on one, a iron hand veteran?

By the end there killer cyborgs with intelligence of as marine, extreme strength through cybernetics and upgrades.

Plus they have a very good relationship with Mars, and it has some very powerful weapons and armour available aty its discretion

The obvious answer to "who is the most powerful Space Marine?" is Sly Marbo.

The minotaurs chapter probably as they are all about beating up other marines. That or the Deathwatch as they draw the best of all the chapters and give them tons of awesome gear.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I'm thinking probably grey Knights.

Why?

Because their recruitment is more brutal, they all are psykers, and they get the best equipment in the imperium.

They get maybe the fourth or fifth best. The Adeptus Mechanicus and the Custodes have technology the Grey Knights could only dream of. (The Custodes still have a fleet of grav vehicles at year 40,000.) The difference is that the Grey Knight's tech is specialized for daemon hunting and nothing else.