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 Skriker wrote:
You are making a really big deal out of nothing in this case.

I presented my opinion, because he asked, and I then further clarified that opinion, because he asked for further clarification.

 master of ordinance wrote:

Ah yes, the good old days of the hobby I remember when converting a model to have a different weapon or such required a small hacksaw, superglue and usually a pinvice and brass rod.

I generally find a hacksaw is usually only required for bigger stuff. Most of my Necromunda models were converted just using an xacto knife rather than a saw.

Although I do have a razor saw in the toolbox these days for the trickier metal conversions.

 insaniak wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

Ah yes, the good old days of the hobby I remember when converting a model to have a different weapon or such required a small hacksaw, superglue and usually a pinvice and brass rod.

I generally find a hacksaw is usually only required for bigger stuff. Most of my Necromunda models were converted just using an xacto knife rather than a saw.

Although I do have a razor saw in the toolbox these days for the trickier metal conversions.

Now you see the craft knife seemed a good idea to me too.... until I slipped whilst cutting an arm off a model.

I recall too many times of cutting metal figures apart with an x-acto and having things slip enough and me ending up with the x-acto sticking up blade stuck in the top of my foot. Those were the days.

re: using AOBR sergeants with bolters

I don't have a problem with this kind of thing but I find that a good way to shut up the haters is to just take a bolter bit (or whatever the bit is) and literally place it atop the model's base, between their legs. Then they can see it and it's WYSIWYG and they have no ground to stand on with their complaints.

That said, I have a MASSIVE bitzbox so I can do this.

 j31c3n wrote:
I don't have a problem with this kind of thing but I find that a good way to shut up the haters is to just take a bolter bit (or whatever the bit is) and literally place it atop the model's base, between their legs. Then they can see it and it's WYSIWYG and they have no ground to stand on with their complaints..

If a model has weapons on it that it shouldn't actually have (as would be the case by adding a bolter to a sergeant with a bolt pistol and ccw) then that doesn't actually satisfy WYSIWYG at all.

WYSIWYG literally means what it says. It works both ways - equipment in your army list should be represented on the model, and the model should accurately reflect what is in your list. Otherwise, you're not Getting what you're Seeing.

 insaniak wrote:

 Skriker wrote:
You are making a really big deal out of nothing in this case.

I presented my opinion, because he asked, and I then further clarified that opinion, because he asked for further clarification.

You may have misunderstood me my dear old thing. I was not seeking your opinion nor your approval.

I was just trying to establish if you were serious that running 2 aobr sgts as having bolters in a 1500 point army with no other proxies was considered a nono by you and the wider intelligentsia of the "WYSIWYG Community" for whom you speak on behalf.

As for metal models like valhallans, some are oop and can actually sell for a bit, if you cut them up that will hurt their resale value(a bit like some old classic cars that boy racers buy and then modify). Plus imho the models look superb as they are, cutting them up just seems like heresy to me.

But hey, each to their own. If someone wants to cut up their metal guys and they enjoy doing it, then well done and good luck to them, that is their business - I am happy to concede these people are more dedicated gamers than I am.

 scommy wrote:
You may have misunderstood me my dear old thing. I was not seeking your opinion nor your approval.

You asked a question on a public forum. I answered it. If you weren't seeking opinions, there was little point asking the question.

I was just trying to establish if you were serious that running 2 aobr sgts as having bolters in a 1500 point army with no other proxies was considered a nono by you and the wider intelligentsia of the "WYSIWYG Community" for whom you speak on behalf.

I'm not sure where you have got the idea that I speak 'on behalf' of anyone other than myself.

There is no 'WYSIWYG community'. Different players have different ideas on how strictly WYSIWYG should be followed, and it varies quite a lot from group to group and player to player. I've yet to meet anyone for whom it's actually a game-breaking issue, though.

If I don't see the roll they have to roll again.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
If I don't see the roll they have to roll again.

/thread

Did you also have a psyker? tell him you also rolled for your psyker who also got invis.

 scommy wrote:
hehe yes I totally agree its a matter of scale, 8 figure all proxied to different things would seriously mess up my karma too.

Speaking of karma I think this guy was just bad karma thru and thru with some serious control freak issues.

He even moaned about how I was doing my bolter drill rerolls, said I should not reroll the 1's first, then discard all misses, instead he said I should pick out all the hits, put them aside, then pick out the 2's, then reroll the 1's remove those misses then put all hits together lolwtf!!??!

He also kept repeating solemnly "Don't get stuck in a land war in Asia" not sure what the significance of that was.

Its a princess bride reference now most times. The lime after that is " but only slightly less well known is this, never mess with a cecilian when death is on the line". Perhaps he was being full of himself and saying you chose the wrong guy to mess with in a passive aggressive way, which defeats the whole purpose.

I use the cards, tell my opponent what unit it is for, and have them draw the powers for me. Guaranteed no shenanigans there.

Thanks for the feedback guys, all entirely relevant and sensible.

Heck yes I shoulda claimed I rolled invisibility too, I had a librarian after all.... agrh

Yes passive aggressive seems to hit the nail on the head. ^^

Indeed the psychic cards would have stopped the issue dead in its tracks. Might have to get some. Certainly the tactical objective cards work well. For some reason using the tacticals seems more exciting to play with than just rolling and writing the objectives down.

Said it before, will say it again, when people need to cheat so they can win with plastic toy soldiers, you really need to feel sorry for them.

Either something is wrong with them mentally, or they are really pathetic.

There is another option. Try saying this,

"Hey I see you need to win with plastic toy soldiers, so you rolled and got invisibility, Great for you, I concede and you win the game. Since you won the game, can we have rematch? Please let me see what you roll this time."

 scommy wrote:
Also a couple of my sgt models have pistols, but being IF I normally run them as bolters, yet he insisted they had to be played as pistols.

Some tournaments go strictly by WYSIWYG, but your normal gaming club should accept them as whatever you say they are- providing that your intended wargear/models aren't contradictory to your list (as in, not seemingly making stuff up on the spot- you came here with bolters in your list and they'll stay as bolters) and that your proxies aren't excessively stupid or complicated.

 Desubot wrote:
Some people are knit picky

It's actually spelled nitpicking.

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Some people are knit picky

It's actually spelled nitpicking.

I dunno... my Nan was very picky about her knitting...

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Some people are knit picky

It's actually spelled nitpicking.

Actually that was a clever scheme to demonstrate nitpicking by tricking someone in nitpicking their spelling of "nitpicking".

This pleases Tzeentch.

 Orock wrote:

 scommy wrote:
hehe yes I totally agree its a matter of scale, 8 figure all proxied to different things would seriously mess up my karma too.

Speaking of karma I think this guy was just bad karma thru and thru with some serious control freak issues.

He even moaned about how I was doing my bolter drill rerolls, said I should not reroll the 1's first, then discard all misses, instead he said I should pick out all the hits, put them aside, then pick out the 2's, then reroll the 1's remove those misses then put all hits together lolwtf!!??!

He also kept repeating solemnly "Don't get stuck in a land war in Asia" not sure what the significance of that was.

Its a princess bride reference now most times. The lime after that is " but only slightly less well known is this, never mess with a cecilian when death is on the line". Perhaps he was being full of himself and saying you chose the wrong guy to mess with in a passive aggressive way, which defeats the whole purpose.

It's Sicilian, as in from Sicily, not cecilian

 insaniak wrote:

 Skriker wrote:
You are making a really big deal out of nothing in this case.

I presented my opinion, because he asked, and I then further clarified that opinion, because he asked for further clarification.

 master of ordinance wrote:

Ah yes, the good old days of the hobby I remember when converting a model to have a different weapon or such required a small hacksaw, superglue and usually a pinvice and brass rod.

I generally find a hacksaw is usually only required for bigger stuff. Most of my Necromunda models were converted just using an xacto knife rather than a saw.

Although I do have a razor saw in the toolbox these days for the trickier metal conversions.

For taking the hand off of a metal model, I'd use a pair of Wire Cutters and then trim the cut (wrist) flat with a hobby knife.





To the OP, I don't have a problem with calling your bolt pistol a bolter. However, if you go to a tournament, they are usually very strict (x2, even) with WYSIWYG. Your model would need to have a bolter or you'd have to use another model.

Also, you're getting upset with insaniak when he merely mentioned that it is a courtesy to have your models WYSIWYG is a shame. Remember that it is you who is asking for the courtesy of allowing a proxy, not the other way around.


The biggest shame here is that you're using red and blue minis for Imperial Fists.

Why not yellow? Are you a successor chapter?

If you are a successor chapter, why is one sergeant red and one unit blue?

Real men wear yellow.

I'm guessing Crimson Fists?

 CrashGordon94 wrote:
I'm guessing Crimson Fists?

Looking at his post here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/663025.page#8112168

Maybe the one on the right is a Crimson Feets...

 kronk wrote:

 CrashGordon94 wrote:
I'm guessing Crimson Fists?

Looking at his post here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/663025.page#8112168

Maybe the one on the right is a Crimson Feets...

Beware the Crimson Feets, their favoured assault tactic is "kick 'em 'inna fork!"

Maybe they should have some Power Feet then?

But yeah, I won't rag at this, considering I decided my Angels of Vengeance should have red robes instead of black robes in flagrant violation of what my Codex says about them.

 CrashGordon94 wrote:
Maybe they should have some Power Feet then?

But yeah, I won't rag at this, considering I decided my Angels of Vengeance should have red robes instead of black robes in flagrant violation of what my Codex says about them.

*Gasp!* Well I never!

My real question to the OP above is why are they different? Is each squad different? Did you paint some blue then paint some red because you didn't like the blue? Are all 10 squads 10 different colors?

LOL Crimson Feets !! Thats the name I have been searching for !

I had been using "The Red Boots", but Crimson Feets... well that could be it

I must confess I tried painting some yellow. But it seems like a tricky color to paint with? I dunno maybe I was doing it all wrong but every tiny little misplaced bit of paint stuck out like dogs bXXXs.

The red guys were my attempt at BA colors.

All my other squads are blue with some slight variations. My painting "skills" are a work in progress as is the army. So many men, so little time - ewww that sounds like a Kardashian quote. TBH my painting time mainly goes to my IG guys.

Edit: The Red Boots are coming!