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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shrike has a model.

I would rather have seen the Master of Shadows(Chapter Master), Corvin Severax.

Do we even know what Severax looks like?

Nope, but we have a name for him.

I am fine with it being Solaq. Perhaps he will have good rules. Though I am making him an Honour Guard anyway.

And that's the biggest issue I have with the model. That helmet is atrocious. It's not Raven Guard, it's Ultramarines or Imperial Fists. It's so blingy that it is just awful.

They should take this opportunity to release Upgrade Kits for the other first founding chapters. Ten people could really make this a RG set.

Solaq is a guy that they never have mentioned before. This is supposed to be set during the Third Sphere of Expansion, right?

Corvin Severax led the Raven Guard, personally, during the Raven Guard's fighting in the Third Sphere of Expansion.

You're right, the aesthetics suit UM or Fists (mine is going to be a Crimson Fist and will look quite nice) more than RG.

BTW, that was supposed to say Then not Ten. Fething Autocorrect. An RG upgrade kit should allow you to make a real Shadow Captain, not a Shadow Captain that painted some Ultramarine armor black and white. Have most of the boxed set characters(Krom, Karlaen) been named in the fluff prior to being released?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
You're right, the aesthetics suit UM or Fists (mine is going to be a Crimson Fist and will look quite nice) more than RG.

BTW, that was supposed to say Then not Ten. Fething Autocorrect. An RG upgrade kit should allow you to make a real Shadow Captain, not a Shadow Captain that painted some Ultramarine armor black and white. Have most of the boxed set characters(Krom, Karlaen) been named in the fluff prior to being released?

Apparently so.

Krom Dragongaze was namedropped at least two editions ago for Space Wolves(I don't follow Space Wolves lore that much; that was the first I could remember) and Karlaen was in the 5th edition Blood Angels book.

Additionally, going over the fluff material I can find for the two boxes? It's supposed to be the "Battle of Mugulath Bay" or the Battle of Agrellan(spoiler: the Imperium loses), which is the first time the Riptides ever made an appearance.

To throw a funny quote out there though...

The battle to capture the planet has been the largest of the Third Sphere of Expansion, and no less than twelve advanced weapons prototypes were used by the Tau. Only the fusion reactor meltdown that destroyed Mu'gulath Bay's moon proved a failure.

I really want to see Solaq's rules.

Way back when GW published the Index Astartes article on Raven Guard I've been a fan of their scouti-ness... but in almost every iteration of them since there has been a growing emphasis on their jump pack infantry. Its nice to see these formations that show a stronger scout synergy.

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shrike has a model.

I would rather have seen the Master of Shadows(Chapter Master), Corvin Severax.

Do we even know what Severax looks like?

He's too stealthy... he wouldn't be the Master of Shadow's if you could see him. I just imagine a 2+ cover save standing in the open.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Way back when GW published the Index Astartes article on Raven Guard I've been a fan of their scouti-ness... but in almost every iteration of them since there has been a growing emphasis on their jump pack infantry. Its nice to see these formations that show a stronger scout synergy.

Do you know how often I have to point that out?!

It's maddening!

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shrike has a model.

I would rather have seen the Master of Shadows(Chapter Master), Corvin Severax.

Do we even know what Severax looks like?

He's too stealthy... he wouldn't be the Master of Shadow's if you could see him. I just imagine a 2+ cover save standing in the open.

...

Now I want to just take a 32mm base and model footprints in there to field as Master of Shadows.

Don't even model footprints. He is that stealthy. Just make a 32mm base with some sculpted terrain. Make it look like a Shadow is on it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Don't even model footprints. He is that stealthy. Just make a 32mm base with some sculpted terrain. Make it look like a Shadow is on it.

Severax casts no shadow - he is the shadow!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Don't even model footprints. He is that stealthy. Just make a 32mm base with some sculpted terrain. Make it look like a Shadow is on it.

Severax casts no shadow - he is the shadow!

I could see him having a relic that does something like Grant 3+ Cover and Ignores Cover only reduces it to 4+.

I like Kanluwen idea of making Corvin Severax, they have a bunch of chapter masters out, even some that aren't a first founding, why can't the Raven Guard have theirs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
You're right, the aesthetics suit UM or Fists (mine is going to be a Crimson Fist and will look quite nice) more than RG.

BTW, that was supposed to say Then not Ten. Fething Autocorrect. An RG upgrade kit should allow you to make a real Shadow Captain, not a Shadow Captain that painted some Ultramarine armor black and white. Have most of the boxed set characters(Krom, Karlaen) been named in the fluff prior to being released?

Apparently so.

Krom Dragongaze was namedropped at least two editions ago for Space Wolves(I don't follow Space Wolves lore that much; that was the first I could remember) and Karlaen was in the 5th edition Blood Angels book.

Additionally, going over the fluff material I can find for the two boxes? It's supposed to be the "Battle of Mugulath Bay" or the Battle of Agrellan(spoiler: the Imperium loses), which is the first time the Riptides ever made an appearance.

To throw a funny quote out there though...

The battle to capture the planet has been the largest of the Third Sphere of Expansion, and no less than twelve advanced weapons prototypes were used by the Tau. Only the fusion reactor meltdown that destroyed Mu'gulath Bay's moon proved a failure.

This campaign is supposed to be the battle for the world of Prefectia, which the Tau wants for it's vast geothermal power reserves, or something.

 DarkKnights44 wrote:
I like Kanluwen idea of making Corvin Severax, they have a bunch of chapter masters out, even some that aren't a first founding, why can't the Raven Guard have theirs.

There are only three first founding chapter masters, two second founding. They aren't common at all for the GW books.

 DarkKnights44 wrote:
I like Kanluwen idea of making Corvin Severax, they have a bunch of chapter masters out, even some that aren't a first founding, why can't the Raven Guard have theirs.

Hey, you guys have 3 characters. Iron Hands have none!

 Crazyterran wrote:

This campaign is supposed to be the battle for the world of Prefectia, which the Tau wants for it's vast geothermal power reserves, or something.

This specific BOX is the battle for Prefectia. The campaign is for Damocles Gulf, and namedrops certain things which are why I said what I did.

From the way I read the Kauyon promo, it seems to take place after Agrellan/Voltoris?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 DarkKnights44 wrote:
I like Kanluwen idea of making Corvin Severax, they have a bunch of chapter masters out, even some that aren't a first founding, why can't the Raven Guard have theirs.

Hey, you guys have 3 characters. Iron Hands have none!

The "Chapter Master" of the Iron Hands would just be Smashfether's stats with a name. BOOM. Character complete. I do find it incredibly bizarre that they are the only army with their own Chapter Tactics in the C:SM that doesn't have a single character. Heck, Crimson Fists have their own character. Yes, they are some of the most iconic Space Marines, but it seems silly that the Iron Hands don't. But, like I said, their Chapter Master is Smashfether.


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The Shadow Force Solaq units are out on BOLS. Reposting.

Land Speeder Darkwing


Vanguard Squad Darvos


Sternguard Squad Amerex


Shadow Captain Solaq


Shadow Force Solaq


Damnit, I was hoping the LS Darkwing wasn't unique. I would definitely run some of them. It is kinda funny that it is literally a RW Land Speeder. The Vanguard Vets are expensive and will probably get shot up quite easily. At least the Sergeant had enough sense to take a Storm Shield. That Sternguard Squad is kinda crap (a Storm Bolter, really?). Only two of those Vets are even able to use what makes Sternguard...well...Sternguard. I like the Captain, though. Neat Relic and special rules.

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Casvalremdeikun, thank you for pointing out the pictures

Thanks, Kanluwen, for translating the cards

OMG, the Captain has Fear! HE is soooo good.

The helmet he wears,is actually pretty good, especially if you play low leadership armies like Tau, Nids, guard.

Maybe it will be one of the relics in the Kauyon book. Probably not worth it over the shield eternal, since I imagine it would be replacing the codex relics.

Might be interesting if you can get it on a librarian or something. Wouldn't you just love all these Death Stars if you can add a leadership to the snapshots required to shoot them?

Have there been any photos of the sprues sighted yet? I'm quite curious about that helm as it fits just right for my Sammael on Sableclaw...

Those poor, poor sternguard.

The other units look not bad. Not great, but workable.

No photos of the character kit yet

Well, I'm glad I was planning on building them to suit my Raptors instead of the booklet.

Because wow those are terrible setups. No wonder we've never heard of this Captain before, he's an Alpha Legionnaire pretending to be Raven Guard and giving the worst tactical advice ever!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Well, I'm glad I was planning on building them to suit my Raptors instead of the booklet.

Because wow those are terrible setups. No wonder we've never heard of this Captain before, he's an Alpha Legionnaire pretending to be Raven Guard and giving the worst tactical advice ever!

at least the land speeder is halfway nice. It pays 5 pts to be a RW Land Speeder. Too bad it can't be taken in squads. I would run three.

A basic HB/AsC speeder is 65 these days, so it’s paying 10 points for scout and the re-roll jink. I’m not a huge fan of that loadout, but it should work. Scout helps with the range issue, and the jink should help keep it alive being that close. Of course, when fighting Tau, I’m not sure speeders are such a good idea.

The captain pays 10 points for the helm, which is quite nice. The problem with him is the lack of AA and the plasma pistol, which is overpriced. That and the lame warlord trait. But I could see putting him in a 9 man sternguard squad in a pod, as a way to try to boost their survivability. He’s not a bad support HQ, but not in the big leagues.

The VVs cause fear? meh.

The sternguard are a unusable mess that torpedo the whole formation.

 Nevelon wrote:
A basic HB/AsC speeder is 65 these days, so it’s paying 10 points for scout and the re-roll jink. I’m not a huge fan of that loadout, but it should work. Scout helps with the range issue, and the jink should help keep it alive being that close. Of course, when fighting Tau, I’m not sure speeders are such a good idea.

The captain pays 10 points for the helm, which is quite nice. The problem with him is the lack of AA and the plasma pistol, which is overpriced. That and the lame warlord trait. But I could see putting him in a 9 man sternguard squad in a pod, as a way to try to boost their survivability. He’s not a bad support HQ, but not in the big leagues.

The VVs cause fear? meh.

The sternguard are a unusable mess that torpedo the whole formation.

The Captain would be amazing in a First Company Taskforce(three to five units of Terminators, Assault Terminators, Vanguard, or Sternguard in any mix that have Fear and Fearless, and any enemies within 12" of 3 or more units from the formation take LD tests at -2) but that's really the only place I can see myself ever fielding him as it stands.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Horus-Heresy?utm_medium=email&utm_source=forgeworld.co.uk&utm_campaign=e34192e7a4-FW__2015_10_23_New_Products&categoryId=cat2210033&sorting=phl&qty=8&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102644+4294967192&view=table&utm_term=0_a6ef0a01da-e34192e7a4-116173029&_requestid=11072674

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Raven-Guard-Mor-Deythan-Strike-Squad

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
A basic HB/AsC speeder is 65 these days, so it’s paying 10 points for scout and the re-roll jink. I’m not a huge fan of that loadout, but it should work. Scout helps with the range issue, and the jink should help keep it alive being that close. Of course, when fighting Tau, I’m not sure speeders are such a good idea.

The captain pays 10 points for the helm, which is quite nice. The problem with him is the lack of AA and the plasma pistol, which is overpriced. That and the lame warlord trait. But I could see putting him in a 9 man sternguard squad in a pod, as a way to try to boost their survivability. He’s not a bad support HQ, but not in the big leagues.

The VVs cause fear? meh.

The sternguard are a unusable mess that torpedo the whole formation.

The Captain would be amazing in a First Company Taskforce(three to five units of Terminators, Assault Terminators, Vanguard, or Sternguard in any mix that have Fear and Fearless, and any enemies within 12" of 3 or more units from the formation take LD tests at -2) but that's really the only place I can see myself ever fielding him as it stands.

Funny thing is, with this boxed set, you are 2/3 of the way toward making a 1CTF. I will actually have all the models I need to use it, but I don't particularly want to because the Sternguard would not gain ObSec from Pedro Kantor due to being a separate detachment.

Needing to pass LD on 3d6 with a -2 is brutal. Average rolls would fail. And forcing LD at -2 otherwise snapshots is harsh too.

Honestly, the scouts and vanguard formation make me want to actually take Vanguard Veterans. Heck, they don't even need to use the scouts to get the charge, so long as they deep strike they can do it.

Take one of these with a drop pod heavy list, throw a few locator beacons in...

Heck, one of these and a Skyhammer wouldn't be too bad, either. Give you a solid punch after you drown them in the grav.