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Raven Guard and White Scars rules from Games Workshop incoming!

This needs its own thread. The rules are part of the Warzone Damocles - Kauyon Campaign Book set released by Games Workshop on October 31, preorder is October 24 2015



Updates (newest first):

- Compilation of the WS and RG rules
Matt: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/667898.page#8214269
Talys: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/667898.page#8214752

- Rules leak
See Sinister Samurai's and Sunset Nemesis' posts here:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304931-rumours-raven-guard-vs-tau-page-7-confirmed/page-19#entry4206208

- Solaq Campaign Box rules added. Thanks, Casvalremdeikun

- 1st batch of english pics added. Thanks, Sinister Samurai



1) Warzone Damocles - Kauyon (A 2-book set / Hardcover) - GBP 45 / US$ 74 / EUR 60 / CAN$ 90 / AU$ 125 / NZ$ 150 (according to the WD preorder list below)







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Space Marine content in this 2-book set according to the next White Dwarf issue:

- Maelstrom missions
- formations
- detachments
- relics
- warlord traits for Raven Guard and White Scars


Two of the formations that can be found in Kauyon




The translation is courtesy of Imeran at Bolter & Chainsword

Imeran - B&C

Rule 2 (Bottom): Each shooting phase every Scout Sergeant and Veteran Scout Sergeant from this formation may scout targets for a different, single unit from this formation within 9". Until the end of the shooting phase, that unit's (the one that was scouted for) weapons receive the "Ignores Cover" special rule.

Rule 1 (Top): Every Scout Squad or Scout Bike Squad from this formation that's currently in Reserves may each lead a single other unit from this formation onto the battlefield. This unit, too, must currently be in Reserves and not in Deep Strike Reserves. When you roll for reserves, you don't roll the units seperately, but only for the unit that leads the other one onto the battlefield. If the Scout Squad or the Scout Bike Squad uses the special rule "Outflank", then the unit that's lead onto the battlefield enters from the same table edge, even if the unit normally may/can't use "Outflank". If you deploy the units in this way (outflank) then the unit that was lead onto the battlefield has the special rule "Stealth" until the start of its next player turn, as long as it is within 9" of the leading unit (the Scouts)

That's the best I can do. I tried to be as specific as possible. If you have questions about anything, feel free to ask. I may elaborate more once the right questions are asked.

That is RAW as I read it, though.

Imeran - B&C

As far as I can tell these two formations are not limited to Raven Guard. Arguably the Shadowstrike Kill Team has a big advantage from RG chapter tactics, but other than the paint jobs these aren't really Raven Guard, much more just Space Marine formations.

But if you mean fluff wise, then yes. They feel definitely the most fitting for a Raven Guard army.

Imeran - B&C

I also can't see anything classifying this as a "Core choice" for the Gladius Stike Force Detatchment. The symbols up top are just those of formations (the Core choices would have a big, white Skull on a black circle with a black ring on its forehead). So no, unless this gets FAQed into the Codex: Space Marines or there is any other information that we can't see, yet, then this is just that: a formation. It has nothing to do with the Gladius.

Imeran - B&C[...]

Son of Thunder - B&C

I checked the SM codex yesterday and actually the classification of core, auxiliary and command is not in the formations themselves, but in the codex page that describes the gladius. This means that there could be another page we're not seeing that makes the pinion a core choice for the gladius, and the shadow strike an auxiliary. Or not

Could be, yes. I think I'm just a bit too pessimistic, hence why I mentioned it but leaned more towards "not likely".

For all we know there could be a paragraph somewhere in the book just saying that the Pinion is a Core choice and the Shadowstrike Kill Team is an Auxiliary choice... Which would be extremely awesome for this book and concerning the future of the Gladius as well.

But hoping that this is so is just setting you up for a big disappointment if they are just formations.

Link: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304931-rumours-raven-guard-vs-tau-page-7-confirmed/page-14#entry4202336



2) Datacards for Raven Guard and White Scars





The images are from the Gamestrust.de gallery: http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/produkt,bilder,warhammer-40-000-tau-empire,id1479.html


Update: Translation by Kanluwen http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/667898.page#8207547




3) There is also a Campaign box set - Shadow Force Solaq - which is already sold out at GW's website in many countries

Thursday 22 October 2015

Operation Shadowtalon

On the world of Prefectia, near the Damocles Gulf, the Ethereal, Aun'Do, has gone missing. His transport shot down by Imperial forces, the young Ethereal carries information vital to the next Tau offensive, which cannot fall into enemy hands. Commander Shadowsun has sent out an Infiltration Cadre to rescue him. But they are not alone in the ruins of Prefectia…

Available in stores on Saturday are Shadow Force Solaq and Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn, two strike forces with which you can re-enact the hunt for Aun'Do. Due to huge popularity, these sets have already sold out on our webstore, but there will be some in stores on Saturday. Make sure you give your local stockist a call to see how many they have in stock.

The Space Marines set, shown above, hails from the Raven Guard Chapter and is led by Captain Solaq, a brand new Space Marine miniature. The box also includes a Land Speeder, five Sternguard Veterans and five Vanguard Veterans, a highly-experienced strike force tasked with hunting down the Ethereal.

The Space Marine Captain represents Solaq, the leader of the Raven Guard forces hunting Aun'Do. The model is fully compatible with other Space Marine kits and can, of course, be painted in the colours of any Space Marine Chapter.

The Shadow Force Solaq box also includes the War Zone Damocles Campaign Supplement: Operation Shadowtalon, a 32-page book that tells the story of Shadow Force Solaq through a series of missions, enabling you to recreate the battles that take place in the comfort of your own home.

It contains another campaign booklet




WD pics from Iuchiban on Warseer - via Atia at B&C




Product page:

http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Shadow-Force-Solaq-EN


Update:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

The Shadow Force Solaq units are out on BOLS. Reposting.

Land Speeder Darkwing

Spoiler:

Vanguard Squad Darvos

Spoiler:

Sternguard Squad Amerex

Spoiler:

Shadow Captain Solaq

Spoiler:

Shadow Force Solaq

Spoiler:

There is a Tau Campaign boxed set as well. It has the same missions as the Raven Guard set according to GW but contains the Tau models.

A first unboxing article with photos (german edition of the set)

http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-tau-empire-bilder-infiltration-cadre-burning-dawn-regeln,id46610.html

They don't require Raven guard chapter tactics.

Amazing. Thank you for posting.

What I'd love to see is some White Scars psychic powers for their Stormseers.

I just saw on the WD page about the Datacards there are "Maelstrom missions, formations, detachments, relics and warlord traits for RG and White Scars" in the Kauyon book. At least according to that text. We should get a better view of the product on Saturday morning.

 Crazyterran wrote:
They don't require Raven guard chapter tactics.

Amazing. Thank you for posting.

It also lets me sub Pedro Kantor for a Captain! This looks like something I could see myself running. It does take a big hit in versatility since you can't pick stuff like Centurions or Bike Squads for the main unit. However, in my case, I could field this RIGHT NOW!

I suppose a White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic would be too much to hope for...?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I suppose a White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic would be too much to hope for...?

Captain on bike (heck, make it frickin' Ko'sarro Khan for all I care), Bike Squad, and...something else. I could see that. It would sell a crap ton due to Khan being in there.

No rumors about new WS miniatures yet... No White Scars psychic powers mentioned in the WD. Sorry :( Better not get your hopes up.

After the previous Damocles book, I'm hoping for an Imperial win here...

Probably not.

I could see myself trying out the Vanguard formation, the scouts in storms to move up, and then proceed to hurt things. Hurt things a lot.

Ravenguard don't win in campaigns.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I could see myself trying out the Vanguard formation, the scouts in storms to move up, and then proceed to hurt things. Hurt things a lot.

I know, right? This could be pretty brutal when using LSS. Between being Fast and having Scout, you can practically stick those Speeders wherever you want. The Vanguards are going to get to their target for sure.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I suppose a White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic would be too much to hope for...?

Captain on bike (heck, make it frickin' Ko'sarro Khan for all I care), Bike Squad, and...something else. I could see that. It would sell a crap ton due to Khan being in there.

Knowing GW, I will be a Dreadnought.

Except White Scars don't really like to use Dreadnoughts... they're all about the fast attack so bikes, speeders and aircraft.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Except White Scars don't really like to use Dreadnoughts... they're all about the fast attack so bikes, speeders and aircraft.

Can't they give Dreadnoughts Hit and Run? How is that not awesome?

A Dread in a White Scars force would fine.

A Dreadnought with Hit&Run would be a nice addition.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Except White Scars don't really like to use Dreadnoughts... they're all about the fast attack so bikes, speeders and aircraft.

Can't they give Dreadnoughts Hit and Run? How is that not awesome?

A Dread in a White Scars force would fine.

While interesting, I don't think it would work on a Dreadnought lol. Not exactly what you'd call fast when compared to a bike/speeder.

Seeing that I just bought the last bikes I need for my army the other day, odds look good for new ones!

Interesting that the formations look to be CT agnostic. I like that. Everyone can play at being an Ultramarine with the basic demi-comapany, so this will also give everyone the chance to play at being Ravenguard, White Scars, or whatever else they come out with. Regardless of what chapter they are.

What if there is a White Scars Company formation with bikes? Bikes everywhere!?

We'll have to wait a few days for leaked pictures of the Kauyon formations, so we can see if it is worth picking up.

£85 for 12 models.

There's 13 space marines in the box, or £6.54 per plastic space marine.

Just seems so expensive.

Captain is nice enough, maybe I can pick one up cheap on ebay.

Honestly the benefits to running the smaller formation as RG is only that the scouts should live thru turn one... should. I have read on other forums about the jumppack benefit for RG on van vets, but has anyone read the new heroic intervention rules? Vanguard already reroll charge ranges... and get to choose to reroll only one dice if they want.

It would only give them hammer of wrath, then.

Ultramarines let them reroll ones to hit in combat, white scars let them hit and run to charge again, black Templar gives them crusader...

And it wouldn't make a difference at all if the scouts are in storms; the vehicles don't get stealth, so...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I suppose a White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic would be too much to hope for...?

Because the Raven Guard box came with a unique Raven Guard miniature, right?

Even if it was a biker captain with a generic power sword and a nice helmet, it would be good.

But I doubt this campaign will get anymore supplements/boxes after Kauyon.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I suppose a White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic would be too much to hope for...?

Because the Raven Guard box came with a unique Raven Guard miniature, right?

It came with a miniature unique to that box, which is what I said.

The rules seems quite underwhelming. Basically you trade the flexibility to chose bikers instead of ASM, ObSec and tactical doctrine for some ignor cover shots and outflank stuff. AM I reading that right?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I suppose a White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic would be too much to hope for...?

Because the Raven Guard box came with a unique Raven Guard miniature, right?

It came with a miniature unique to that box, which is what I said.

You said a "White Scars box with a unique miniature in plastic".

Nothing about this box was "Raven Guard" beyond the paint scheme on the box. The fact that they did not even showcase the "miniature unique to that box" in Raven Guard colors for the 360 view shows that. This could be a White Scars box if you want it to be. It could be a Blood Angels box or a Space Wolves box or an <insert Space Marine Chapter here> box.


Translated the Warlord trait on the Raven Guard card; working on the White Scars one next:

"In The Darkness, Disappear"

When the unit of your Warlord is chosen as a target for a shooting attack , it can immediately disappear in the darkness . He moves up to D6 inches. Models in the unit of your Warlord located in the radius at the end of this movement , get +1 to their cover saves against the shooting attack , the shooting unit may not select another target , even if the unit of your Warlord is out of reach or sight. The unit of your Warlord can not disappear in darkness more than once per Player Turns and they may not perform this action when it is in retreat or in close combat

White Scars one is...weirdly worded. It doesn't translate well, but I THINK:

"Masterful Rider"
If your warlord is equipped with a Space Marine Bike , you add I permanently to its Jink Saves. If not , you treat this result instead as "Deadly ambush".

I think "Deadly Ambush" refers to "Master of Ambush" instead.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Starting to translate the objective cards. Here's the first Raven Guard objective card(Result 11):

"Attack From the Skies" At the end of your player turn, add 1 victory point if during this player turn at least one enemy unit was completely destroyed by a unit from a Successor Chapter of the Raven Guard or by a unit of the Raven Guard which has arrived by a Drop Pod this turn.

Here's Result 12:

"In The Shadows Hidden" At the end of your player turn, add 1 victory point if any non-vehicle unit of your army is either in a vehicle or a building or within 1 inch of terrain that is not open terrain.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
White Scars Result 11:

"Fast Position Change"
If this objective card is drawn, you choose an Objective Marker which does not have a friendly model within 18 inches. If this is not possible , choose the Objective Marker which is farthest from your models on the board. You gain, at the end of your Player Turn, 1 victory point if you move to and secure it.

They get a racing objective? Kinda cool.

White Scars Result 12:

"Bring Them Down" You will receive a Victory Point at the end of your Player Turn, if during your turn at least one enemy unit was destroyed by a friendly unit of the White Scars.

Yeah, glad they are bringing some Raven Guard stuff out, but super disappointed, that the box site is all just regular kits I can buy already, nothing new. They took a Ultramarine veteran and called him a Raven Guard captain. They should have put Shadow Captain Shrike in at least.

Shrike has a model.

I would rather have seen the Master of Shadows(Chapter Master), Corvin Severax.

Wow!

I was planning on doing a Raven Guard Force! Excellent timing!


I can either get 100% FW Horus Heresy minis - 30 Maximus with weapons & special weapons & heavy weapons options, 20 raven guard heads, 20 rg shoulder pads, 20 RG chests, landspeeder, 3 outriders, firedrake, set of 3 rhino doors, RG character, 5 mini recon squad all for $451.77 usd total (inc. postage) (or same minis legit via FW $600 usd +postage(?)...)

OR

From gw, This new box, RG character, landspeeder, 3 bikes, stormraven, 5 scouts for about 350ish...Then buy $60 of FW 20 RG heads/chests/pads = 410ish

Thoughts?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shrike has a model.

I would rather have seen the Master of Shadows(Chapter Master), Corvin Severax.

Do we even know what Severax looks like?

I am fine with it being Solaq. Perhaps he will have good rules. Though I am making him an Honour Guard anyway.

They should take this opportunity to release Upgrade Kits for the other first founding chapters. Ten people could really make this a RG set.