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Are there any Raven Guard relics?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Are there any Raven Guard relics?

Yes. 4chan has em. Might disappear again

FETH IT.

Thats it, I'm buying it. My wallet hates you for this. Just to be clear, this is the "Warzone Damocles: Kauyon" book right? Thankyou so much for that post, I've been waiting years for a Raven Guard supplement or Codex. I don't play 7e, haven't even played 6e (thought I did get the book for a tenner). But this might finally make me return. Theres a guy at my club with an old Tau army so this might be a good thing to share.

How do relics from different books work? Can I mix and match Raven Guard relics with the core Space Marine Codex relics in a single force?

My favourite relics are the Shield Eternal, Teeth of Terra and Burning Blade. And I quite like the Raven Guard jump pack, lightning claws, sniper rifle and armour relics.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
FETH IT.

Thats it, I'm buying it. My wallet hates you for this. Just to be clear, this is the "Warzone Damocles: Kauyon" book right? Thankyou so much for that post, I've been waiting years for a Raven Guard supplement or Codex. I don't play 7e, haven't even played 6e (thought I did get the book for a tenner). But this might finally make me return. Theres a guy at my club with an old Tau army so this might be a good thing to share.

How do relics from different books work? Can I mix and match Raven Guard relics with the core Space Marine Codex relics in a single force?

My favourite relics are the Shield Eternal, Teeth of Terra and Burning Blade. And I quite like the Raven Guard jump pack, lightning claws, sniper rifle and armour relics.

Yep, it's from Kauyon. Be warned, the Raven Guard take a fluff beating.

Also, some dumby with a dumb name posted these Raven Guard and White Scars leaks over on B&C.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304931-rumours-raven-guard-vs-tau-page-7-confirmed/?p=4206208

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
FETH IT.

Thats it, I'm buying it. My wallet hates you for this. Just to be clear, this is the "Warzone Damocles: Kauyon" book right? Thankyou so much for that post, I've been waiting years for a Raven Guard supplement or Codex. I don't play 7e, haven't even played 6e (thought I did get the book for a tenner). But this might finally make me return. Theres a guy at my club with an old Tau army so this might be a good thing to share.

How do relics from different books work? Can I mix and match Raven Guard relics with the core Space Marine Codex relics in a single force?

My favourite relics are the Shield Eternal, Teeth of Terra and Burning Blade. And I quite like the Raven Guard jump pack, lightning claws, sniper rifle and armour relics.

You can mix and match, but just not on the same character.

So you can't have a character with the Shield Eternal and the armour of shadows.

Damnit. I went to all the trouble of magnetising a storm shield and relic blade for my Korvydae Chapter Master conversion too.

Jump packs are normally 15 points right? So you get that for free for a character, essentially, if you were taking a jump pack anyways.

And you only play five points for flurry on those Lightning Claws... That's roughly 9 hits on the charge with a chapter master.

(6 on the charge (4 + 1 + 1), 4 hits, 4 extra, 3 hits from those.)

I have lightning claws magnetised too.

And a Raven Guard jump pack (Korvydae).
And an Umbra Ferrox boltgun from Forgeworld.
And a Power Fist.
And a Thunder Hammer.
And a long chainsword/glaive from Anvil Industry (Teeth of Terra).

Basically my converted and magnetised Shadow Captain/Master is my magnum opus.

That Stealth Kill Team is going to be pretty insane... I guess they needed to sell more scout and Vanguard models! Always loved how Vanguard looked.

The Raven Guard also look like they have an awesome Detachment too (that only they can use).

Units in it start rolling to come in from reserves Turn 1 (coming in on a 4+), you can re-roll the Mission, Deployment Type and re-roll the dice to determine who goes first AND units in it can also chose to fail any morale check.

Wow, I am impressed. The White Scars stuff is exactly as it should be.

The new rules for White Scars and Raven Guard look great. JSJ bikes anyone? I only wish the Kauyon campaign featured Iron Hands, it would have been the perfect book for me. Both my armies.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, I am impressed. The White Scars stuff is exactly as it should be.

Damn near invalidating Dark Angels?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, I am impressed. The White Scars stuff is exactly as it should be.

Damn near invalidating Dark Angels?

Their own damn problem if their only shtick is trying to emulate the real biker chapter.

So who's even left without a supplement at this point? Salamanders?

Blood Ravens.

I know they're not a First Founding chapter, but they are probably the most well known chapter outside of the First Founding chapters with the Dawn of War series.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


So who's even left without a supplement at this point? Salamanders?

Ultramarines.

I actually would like to see some Blood Ravens characters show up. Surprised they haven't.

Or at least an official system for creating and customising properly costed HQ Characters. Pay x points to upgrade stats, purchase special rules and create unique wargear or relics.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
properly costed

The what now?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
properly costed

The what now?

Hey a guy can dream can't he?

Even though I'd like those formation options to be available to everyone, as a whole they're cool and I LOVE the exclusive relics. I'm hoping to see it done for everyone.

Also an FAQ for the Clan and Sentinels supplements would be fairly nice. Different topic though.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Even though I'd like those formation options to be available to everyone, as a whole they're cool and I LOVE the exclusive relics. I'm hoping to see it done for everyone.

They are available to everyone. The formations are not Raven Guard/White Scars specific. Just the Detachments, Warlord Traits, and Relics. So Raven Guard get the "Talon Strike Force" Detachment and White Scars get the "Scarblade Strike Force" Detachment.

I think he means, as in, Salamanders and Ultramarines (for example) getting their own Chapter Relics/Detachments. We know Crimson Fists and Black Templar got their own Warlord Traits, for example, and Imperial Fists and Iron Hands have their own books / warlord traits / relics.

Same could be said for Cadians/Catachans, Farsight, etc.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I think he means, as in, Salamanders and Ultramarines (for example) getting their own Chapter Relics/Detachments. We know Crimson Fists and Black Templar got their own Warlord Traits, for example, and Imperial Fists and Iron Hands have their own books / warlord traits / relics.

Same could be said for Cadians/Catachans, Farsight, etc.

He said that he would like to see the formations to be available to everyone.

They are. Just not the Detachments, Relics, or Warlord Traits. The Raven Guard page flatout states that these Formations can be chosen by any army selected from Codex: Space Marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I think he means, as in, Salamanders and Ultramarines (for example) getting their own Chapter Relics/Detachments. We know Crimson Fists and Black Templar got their own Warlord Traits, for example, and Imperial Fists and Iron Hands have their own books / warlord traits / relics.

Same could be said for Cadians/Catachans, Farsight, etc.

He said that he would like to see the formations to be available to everyone.

They are. Just not the Detachments, Relics, or Warlord Traits. The Raven Guard page flatout states that these Formations can be chosen by any army selected from Codex: Space Marines.

The last part of his comment:

"I'm hoping to see it done for everyone."

Though I suppose you were responding to the Formation part, and me right after work had a brain dumb.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Even though I'd like those formation options to be available to everyone, as a whole they're cool and I LOVE the exclusive relics. I'm hoping to see it done for everyone.

They are available to everyone. The formations are not Raven Guard/White Scars specific. Just the Detachments, Warlord Traits, and Relics. So Raven Guard get the "Talon Strike Force" Detachment and White Scars get the "Scarblade Strike Force" Detachment.

Formation and detachment gets used interchangeably. I know some are for everyone, but a few aren't.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Even though I'd like those formation options to be available to everyone, as a whole they're cool and I LOVE the exclusive relics. I'm hoping to see it done for everyone.

They are available to everyone. The formations are not Raven Guard/White Scars specific. Just the Detachments, Warlord Traits, and Relics. So Raven Guard get the "Talon Strike Force" Detachment and White Scars get the "Scarblade Strike Force" Detachment.

Formation and detachment gets used interchangeably. I know some are for everyone, but a few aren't.

Formation and Detachment might get used interchangeably in conversation, but they aren't the same thing.

I can call a Core choice for the Talon Strike Force a "Troops Choice", because they're the same thing by the logic you just expressed.

Technically, the Detachments aren't available to Successor Chapters either.

I hope we see some of these other Detachments. The book says they are still all Codex Astartes compliant. I want one for Blood Angels.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Technically, the Detachments aren't available to Successor Chapters either.

That's not strictly true. It actually says in the book to treat Successor Chapters as their parent Chapter in all regards for Chapter Tactics--so unless they have their own unique Chapter Tactics, they're good.

So until Raptors are said to be Raven Guard for the purposes of this, you can't use Raptor Chapter Tactics.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Technically, the Detachments aren't available to Successor Chapters either.

I hope we see some of these other Detachments. The book says they are still all Codex Astartes compliant. I want one for Blood Angels.

Just play your blood angels as codex-compliant space marines painted red

Raven Guard? Blood Ravens! White Scars? Crimson Scars! Black Templars? Red Templars!