What on your thoughts on people who only buy Betrayel at Calth only for the models?

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**MechaEmperor7000**

The "Board game" aspect was likely so that GW could pull the plug on further Heresy miniatures if it didn't sell well. If you look at the options on the Tactical Squads and Terminator squads, it's clear that they were cut with the intention of being standalone box sets. Hell even Forge World has jumped on the bandwagon and are offering starter sets with conversion kits, pretending like the game aspect didn't even exist.

**wuestenfux**

If GW would like to ride on the wave of HH, they should make it easier to get products from FW. But this is (outside of UK) rather expensive.

**Brutus_Apex**

It comes with a Board Game?

All jokes aside. The reason i'm sure 90% of the people who bought Betrayal at Calth was to gain access to cheap plastic HH marines that they would otherwise have to sell a kidney to get from Forgeworld. Thats why I did it. And thats why 20 other people in my gaming group are now building up 5000 point HH armies. See how that works?

It's the same reason people bought Space Hulk and the Assassin game thing. Models. Thats it. The extra content is a bonus. And thats the main reason why Dreadfleet didn't sell, there were no models included that you could use in Fantasy.

**Vaktathi**

Well...Space Hulk people actually play, I've never seen anyone play Dreadfleet, the Assassins game, or Betrayal at Calth, but I have seen many people play Space Hulk, and I'll play it myself every once in a while

**MechaEmperor7000**

Space Hulk is actually a pretty cool game

And the Terminators are kinda bad to use in 40k, namely because they don't actually fit into squad coherencies all that well (you have basically 2 Assault Termies among an odd number of normal termies).

**Brutus_Apex**

I've only seen people really use it for the Blood Angel Terminators and Librarian, or the Genesteelers.

That was before the new Blood Angel Terminator Box though too. TBH I think the Space Hulk ones still look better than the new box though.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I use it for the Genestealers.

Because that broodlord is boss. So boss.

**Orock**

I think to myself "well there is someone who knows the value of money and savings". Which is why I bought the thing for the marines, termies, characters, dread, and will probably never play the board game or miss it.

Are we really advocating product misuse shaming?

**Árn_Templar**

Their loss. We get cheap Minis

**TheCrusadeSmurf**

So people didn't buy Assassinorum for the new plastic assassins and fairly nice, unique Chaos models?

Damn.

But please, BaC was meant to be a plasticrack gateway drug into premium Forge World resincrack, nothing more.

Though I did make my third alternate Sicarius from it so, hey.

**hobojebus**

£95 is an insane price for a gateway product, BaC was a great deal for existing customers but it drives away new customers.

**Ratius**

I've only seen people really use it for the Blood Angel Terminators and Librarian, or the Genesteelers.

That was before the new Blood Angel Terminator Box though too. TBH I think the Space Hulk ones still look better than the new box though.

Nah, we do other things

**Arbiter_Shade**

After buying the Assassin game and playing it a bit, then playing the BaC game when a guy at my FLGS bought it, I can saftely ponder...

Who bought these sets for the games?! These games are awful. If ever you needed proof that GW can't write decent rules anymore just look at these two games.

Models are great though. Love my new assassins.

**Blacksails**

My thoughts?

They can do whatever they want with the product they bought.

No judging either way. As it should be.

**War Kitten**

BaC was worth it just for the models alone. Whether you're a 40k player, or a 30k one the box was just worth it for the models alone. For me it was an expansion for my Ultramarines first, and a boardgame last. What people do with their money (and the models they might get with it) is their business. Not ours.

**HoundsofDemos**

Execution force was a decent game but I mostly bought it for the models. I have more Tactical Marines than I need so I have little interest but If i was about to start a marine army it's a great deal.

**War Kitten**

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Execution force was a decent game but I mostly bought it for the models. I have more Tactical Marines than I need so I have little interest but If i was about to start a marine army it's a great deal.

It's a great deal for Space Marine players, it's a great deal for 30k players, heck, it's even a great deal for CSM players (some kitbashing may be required). It's just a great deal in general if you're a MEQ player.

**DorianGray**

The boardgame is really good and fun though.

GW had people design the rules and boardgame so people could play it.

Sure your main purpose of buying it could have been for the models but why not play the boardgame too?

**Matt.Kingsley**

Because they might not be interested in playing a board game?

In my case I will eventually get around to playing it (probably once I finally get my 2nd box) but for now it is fulfilling its main purpose (in my eyes): being a good core for my Word Bearers.

**Gordon Shumway**

If they want to play it they can, if not, why in the world should anybody really care?

**TheWaspinator**

I'm just amused by my mental image of a bunch of space marines who thought they were being sent to fight each other on Calth being really confused by why they're suddenly part of the same army as each other and why they're suddenly 10,000 years in the future.

**jah-joshua**

DorianGray wrote:
The boardgame is really good and fun though.

GW had people design the rules and boardgame so people could play it.

Sure your main purpose of buying it could have been for the models but why not play the boardgame too?

some of us don't play any games at all, neither board games nor tabletop wargames...
all of my free-time is spent painting...
why play a game when i could be surfing???

i'm a huge fan of the box, though, and can't wait to get a little time in my paint queue to do some 30K painting...
i love the HH books, art, and minis, but have zero interest in gaming of any sort...
i don't see why that would be an issue for anyone...
mkiv is my favorite armor, and now i have enough guys to try my hand at all the Legion schemes!!!

cheers
jah

**El Torro**

I bought Betrayal at Calth on EBay. Just the game, no models. For the price I paid I figured I might as well check the game out, using proxies that I already have.

So what do I think of people that bought the game just for the models? Fine by me, as it let me pick up the game cheap.

**Chapter Master Angelos**

DorianGray wrote:The people who have zero interest in the actual boardgame and toss the contents / sell on ebay?

I feel like it's a dis-service to the actual boardgame and it is actually pretty good. But no some people are not open to trying out new things.

Do you feel this is right?

My thoughts are. Anybody got a spare Calth Chapy? I need a second one for my Imperial Fists..

Jokes aside. People will buy what they want, for their own reasons and as long as it's not for illegal or harmful reasons or intent? Who cares. I bought a Calth Box to compare their quality with that of my ForgeWorld Marines and things. And that said I'm going to try and pick up a second and sell off the fugly Mono-pose contemptor to give my firsts more tactical Support.

**TheCrusadeSmurf**

hobojebus wrote:
£95 is an insane price for a gateway product, BaC was a great deal for existing customers but it drives away new customers.

3x Tac Marine Squads.... 75 quid. (Which, given the Crusade List can make 4 different squad types)
Dreadnought (unfair to compare it to FW because it's monopose)... 28 quid.
Terminator Captain ... 12 (ish) quid
Chaplain ... 11 quid
Terminators (Easy to convert to modern termies if you're a stickler for bolter patterns) ... 28 quid

And it's all of similar quality to Forge World (Except Leg-naught). Add up the price in resin and calth suddenly is worth 3x more than what you paid for!

**DorianGray**

With the new boardgame coming out: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/02/40k-deathwatch-genestealer-broodkin-pics-spotted.html

How many of you guys are going to be buying the boardgame only for the models and throwing out the cardboard in the game?

Disgusting. Shakes head*

**Matt.Kingsley**

Considering, unlike Betrayal At Calth, there isn't as much of a use for the miniatures outside of the game itself... not as many people.

Certainly a lot of people will be buying it for the models first though, rather than for the actual game itself.

**HoundsofDemos**

Your mad that in a game about cool minis that people bought cool minis at a discount?

**Psienesis**

hobojebus wrote:
£95 is an insane price for a gateway product, BaC was a great deal for existing customers but it drives away new customers.

Not for WH40K it isn't. That's a fething steal.

**jah-joshua**

DorianGray wrote:
With the new boardgame coming out: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/02/40k-deathwatch-genestealer-broodkin-pics-spotted.html

How many of you guys are going to be buying the boardgame only for the models and throwing out the cardboard in the game?

Disgusting. Shakes head*

why would anybody throw out the cardboard???
even for someone like me, who doesn't play, i can appreciate the artistry that goes into designing the tiles and stuff...
plus, us hobbyists don't really ever throw anything out...
there is always a cunning plan for the future

...
sure, i'll personally be buying the Deathwatch game to paint the models, but i'll sell it as a whole package....

hell, with BaC, plenty of people bought just the game, on the cheap, from others who just wanted the models...

cheers
jah