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Is this even a real post? Did you seriously just tell 100k people that they're having fun wrong? Sorry I'm still trying to make sense of what I just read because it's so asinine I have a hard time taking it seriously.

It was probably a slow day and he needed something to post.

If I did not already have an excess of SM/CSM minis, I would have bought BAC for the minis and sold the "game".

Unfortunately this is what has happened to every GW board game ever made, that's why intact games like the original HeroQuest and Space Hulk require you to take out a second mortgage to buy. (Okay it's not THAT bad but still.)

On the flip side, if you can get a hold of the rulebook, most of these games work just fine with standard GW models.

DorianGray wrote:
The people who have zero interest in the actual boardgame and toss the contents / sell on ebay?

I feel like it's a dis-service to the actual boardgame and it is actually pretty good. But no some people are not open to trying out new things.

Do you feel this is right?

The entirety of my thoughts on the subject: Meh. Not even worth a value judgement either way.

When every single response on a 3 page thread disagrees with the OP, then the OP is clearly a troll.

If I had the cash to spare, I would pick up BaC, but it would not be for the game.

I wouldn't judge anyone for whether they wanted the game or the models or both - their money = their choice.

 Reavsie wrote:
When every single response on a 3 page thread disagrees with the OP, then the OP is clearly a troll.

People disagreeing with them does not make the OP a troll...

If I still bought anything from GW and wanted to have more Space Marines, I would probably get BaC for the models. I may still keep the game rather than selling it as tiles and things are always handy for other games.

 Psienesis wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
£95 is an insane price for a gateway product, BaC was a great deal for existing customers but it drives away new customers.

Not for WH40K it isn't. That's a fething steal.

Yeah but compare it to non GW starter kits it's a huge asking price for a game you may not even like.

£25 gets you the x-wing starter it's a cheap introduction and if you don't like it you haven't wasted £95.

It's great only compared to other GW intro products but they Arnt a gamers only option.

It's a great buy if your into 30k just not a way to pull in New players.

I'm under no illusion that betrayal at Calth was a 30k starter kit in all but name, and that's why I and my housemate bought it. The game is nice and all, but not one part of me believes that GW intended it to be the next space hulk and not a cheap 30k starter.

I'm not a troll.

I bought BaC when I only play XENOS and have zero interest in 30k, spent the time to paint EVERYTHING, purely to only play the boardgame with friends.

That is dedication.

I will be doing the same for the new OVERKILL DEATHWATCH boardgame when I don't play Space Marines or Tyranids.

So how about that?

I think you're taking all this way too seriously.

You're definitely taking it way too seriously. Congrats on being a hardcore board game fan or whatever I guess? Not everyone is, and most people used it to start or bolster a 30k force. The models are still being used, there's not even a complaint here. You just seem annoyed that people have fun differently to you.

DorianGray wrote:
I'm not a troll.

I think all people who bought the games without any interest in playing them and only for the miniatures should be put to death.

Now THIS is trolling.

I'm curious about something: if I bought a Betrayal at Calth boxed set, started a fire with the cardstock pieces, then melted down the sprues to make some knick knack that I thought was cool, would you call me foolish? The OP's simply asking the same question in a different way. Paying money for a product that contains pieces for a game, then either discarding or not using those pieces is sorta foolish, isn't it?

I agree, people can do with their possessions what they will, but that doesn't preclude me for thinking they're an idiot for doing so.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
I think they are smart. Pretty sexy too.

Each morning I look at one in the mirror and damn is he handsome. I am no expert but I can spot awesomeness when I see it.

How you doin?

It does not bother me in the least, I'm one of those people. I was super excited for plastic Heresy era models and have no desire for the board game itself.

DorianGray wrote:
I'm not a troll.

I bought BaC when I only play XENOS and have zero interest in 30k, spent the time to paint EVERYTHING, purely to only play the boardgame with friends.

That is dedication.

I will be doing the same for the new OVERKILL DEATHWATCH boardgame when I don't play Space Marines or Tyranids.

So how about that?

i paint six hours a day, seven days a week...
i'd say that is pretty dedicated...
i don't get why you are putting people down who have different priorities than you do...
we are all here for a love of the hobby, right???

@the_Armyman: really, calling people idiots for having fun in a different way than you do???
how is it foolish to make a living off of painting minis???
the time that could be spent gaming is spent perfecting painting techniques instead...
i don't think that is foolish at all...
it sure beats getting a real job...

cheers
jah

For £95 British you get the equvilent of nearly £500 of FW stuff, which can easily fill into 30k and 40k armies as Tacticals, Sternguard, Venerable Dreadnoughts, Tactical or Assault Terminators, a Captain and a Chaplain/Chaplain Grimaldus. With a multitude of bits left over include heresy-style Combat Knives, Sharkfin missile launchers, Heavy bolters with a drum mag, Power swords, bolters, couple leftover MkIV helmets, etc, etc. Literally £500 of stuff for a fraction of the price. No guilt whatsoever.

 jah-joshua wrote:

@the_Armyman: really, calling people idiots for having fun in a different way than you do???
how is it foolish to make a living off of painting minis???
the time that could be spent gaming is spent perfecting painting techniques instead...
i don't think that is foolish at all...
it sure beats getting a real job...

I think what you fail to realize that people can think you're an idiot without having a valid reason But, seriously, if all you wanted was the minis, couldn't you simply wait for the inevitable flood of eBayers and only buy what you really wanted/needed? Even if it still cost $150 just to get the minis, isn't that the same thing?

I also think that, while the OP painted with a broad brush, the vast majority of people are buying BaC for "cheap" 30K; which itself is flawed logic. It's cheap when only viewed through the distorted lens of Forgewod's prices. You may be one of the few exceptions to that rule, so taking offense that he lumped you in is sort of baseless.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

@the_Armyman: really, calling people idiots for having fun in a different way than you do???
how is it foolish to make a living off of painting minis???
the time that could be spent gaming is spent perfecting painting techniques instead...
i don't think that is foolish at all...
it sure beats getting a real job...

I think what you fail to realize that people can think you're an idiot without having a valid reason But, seriously, if all you wanted was the minis, couldn't you simply wait for the inevitable flood of eBayers and only buy what you really wanted/needed? Even if it still cost $150 just to get the minis, isn't that the same thing?

I also think that, while the OP painted with a broad brush, the vast majority of people are buying BaC for "cheap" 30K; which itself is flawed logic. It's cheap when only viewed through the distorted lens of Forgewod's prices. You may be one of the few exceptions to that rule, so taking offense that he lumped you in is sort of baseless.

If you want all of the miniatures it's cheaper to buy the box set. Also, how is it flawed logic? BaC IS cheap 30k compared to the Forge World prices and Forge World was previously the only legitimate way to get 30k miniatures. Sure, a mantic army box is reasonably priced by industry standards but you don't get Horus Heresy miniatures with them. People are buying more than just plastic/resin when they get 30k stuff, y'know. They're buying into the setting.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

If you want all of the miniatures it's cheaper to buy the box set. Also, how is it flawed logic? BaC IS cheap 30k compared to the Forge World prices and Forge World was previously the only legitimate way to get 30k miniatures. Sure, a mantic army box is reasonably priced by industry standards but you don't get Horus Heresy miniatures with them. People are buying more than just plastic/resin when they get 30k stuff, y'know. They're buying into the setting.

I know there is no possible way I can convince you that what you just said is wrong, but I want you to consider an example of how I view that type of thinking:

Aquafina is bottled by Coca-Cola from municipal water supplies in Atlanta, GA. People in Atlanta, GA purchase Aquafina water and drink it, even though, barring a few minor mineral additions, it is still just tap water.

You view 30K miniatures as necessary to "legitimately" playing 30K, when 30K is really just reskinned 40K, being sold to you by a company called Forgeworld which is really just Games Workshop. In your mind, a marine in Mk7 armor is not the same as a marine in Mk3 armor, even though they have the exact same statline and carry the exact same gear. FW has convinced you that their tactical marines are superior to GW's tactical marines mainly through pricing.

We have well and truly gone down a rabbit hole that I never intended, but there it is. And I'm not even defending the OP's premise

I don't play Horus Heresy for the stats. I play it for the awesome setting and fluff. And in that awesome setting Mk. 7 power armor was not used until the very last year of the Horus Heresy and even then only for like one battle. I don't pay extra for Mk. 4, Cataphractii or Sicarans because some guy managed to convince me that they are somehow better. If I wanted an optimal army a 40k Space Marine force with Grav spam would do it better and for probably less. I buy this stuff to build a thematic army that represents my chosen army at that particular point in time. But if you can't see the appeal of models beyond statline I guess I can't really convince you why people think BaC was a great value.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

@the_Armyman: really, calling people idiots for having fun in a different way than you do???
how is it foolish to make a living off of painting minis???
the time that could be spent gaming is spent perfecting painting techniques instead...
i don't think that is foolish at all...
it sure beats getting a real job...

I think what you fail to realize that people can think you're an idiot without having a valid reason But, seriously, if all you wanted was the minis, couldn't you simply wait for the inevitable flood of eBayers and only buy what you really wanted/needed? Even if it still cost $150 just to get the minis, isn't that the same thing?

I also think that, while the OP painted with a broad brush, the vast majority of people are buying BaC for "cheap" 30K; which itself is flawed logic. It's cheap when only viewed through the distorted lens of Forgewod's prices. You may be one of the few exceptions to that rule, so taking offense that he lumped you in is sort of baseless.

i think what you fail to realize, is that calling people idiots for enjoying themselves is rude, especially when we are all here to enjoy toy soldiers...
the whole point of buying the box was that i wanted all of the minis...
then there is the fact that 25% off was readily available for preorders, so no, waiting for eBayers would not have been the same...

i wasn't offended by the OP, but i was offering a non-gamer's perspective on the subject...
keep in mind, i work very hard to be one of the exceptions...
it's not like it is easy to develop the skills, name, and style to stand-out in a hobby of thousands of great painters...
i have to bust my ass to earn my money...
it's not like the ability to make a living off of painting was just handed to me on a silver platter, so yeah, i feel like my opinion is just as valid as any gamer's...

as for your response to TheCustomLime, i get that you are jaded about pricing, but there is a huge aesthetic difference between mkvii and mkiii...
for some people, that difference is pointless...
for others, it's huge, and as he said, it's about the setting just as much as it is about the style of the little plastic pieces...
the whole point of painting is to bring the setting to life on the tabletop, which is where 99% of my minis end up...
you seem to think that people who enjoy the setting have been hoodwinked...
over 30 years of fun and stimulated imagination is something to embrace and be happy about...

cheers
jah

I am amazed at how many people have commented on this thread considering past threads the op has started including the ever so ridiculous "Eldar are the greatest threat to the Imperium and thus need to be taken out first" thread.

This thread - like the aforementioned thread - only seemingly served to show that the Dakka dakka community at large can come together and nigh unanimously disagree with the op.

Why does it matter what people spend their money on OP?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Why does it matter what people spend their money on OP?

Beat me to it. What people decide to spend their money on is their business. Unless you know, they're planning to buy guns to kill people or various other criminal activities.

If someone's more interested in the models than they are the game, that's fine.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Why does it matter what people spend their money on OP?

Exactly. This box set is perfect to make the core of your 30k Army. MANY people are doing this and are excited about this opportunity to get into the HH style of play. The new models look great, if you like MKIV armor. I prefer MKIII, but that's beside the point.

When the HH books came out, I bought the MKIII minis, the MKIII shoulder pads, the special pattern bolters, and based them on Secret Weapon Miniature resin bases because I want my Horus Heresy army that I was super-stoked about to look bitchin'.

That isn't about FW brainwashing me.

It's about me taking pride in my HH army.

Rock out with your cock out, Sons of Dorn!

 the_Armyman wrote:


I think what you fail to realize that people can think you're an idiot without having a valid reason But, seriously, if all you wanted was the minis, couldn't you simply wait for the inevitable flood of eBayers and only buy what you really wanted/needed? Even if it still cost $150 just to get the minis, isn't that the same thing?

I also think that, while the OP painted with a broad brush, the vast majority of people are buying BaC for "cheap" 30K; which itself is flawed logic. It's cheap when only viewed through the distorted lens of Forgewod's prices. You may be one of the few exceptions to that rule, so taking offense that he lumped you in is sort of baseless.

Its not even just cheap by comparison to FW, its cheap compared to most box sets coming out from Games Workshop themselves. The same number of Tac Squads and Terminators would cost $220, the price jumps over $300 Dollars if you add in a Chaplain, Terminator Captain and Dreadnaught.

So no, I'll buy the 150 dollar box and ignore the boardgame components beyond looking at them and going, well that is some nice quality.

DorianGray wrote:
The people who have zero interest in the actual boardgame and toss the contents / sell on ebay?

I feel like it's a dis-service to the actual boardgame and it is actually pretty good. But no some people are not open to trying out new things.

Do you feel this is right?

I think you are welcome to your opinion, however snobbish and exclusive.