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 Paradigm wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... What use is AqM against a foe in let's say Kansas?or Space?

Quite a lot, actually. Obviously water is his element (no pun intended), but even without his sea-based powers he's still a superhumanly strong expert fighter capable of going toe to toe with someone like Wonder Woman in armed/hand to hand combat. The trident is innately magic and depending on the version you're reading, can summon storms, shoot lightning ect. Particuarly since the New52 reboot, Aquaman has been reinvented as a right 'ard nut, something this film seems to be carrying on with.

Actually, I can't wait for his solo film, there's potential for loads of amazing set piece scenes, he has a great dynamic with his two main villains (Oceanmaster, the Loki to AM's Thor, and Black Manta, sort of an underwater Iron Man... I'm selling them both short here, but they're awesome villains) and the potential in the art direction is huge.

He also has the resources of Atlantis at his beck and call, although it's not 100% clear if he's king in JL. (The dialogue about the "king tide", which is a real term, was a clever nod to his birthright at least.) Diana is the only other Leaguer who could potentially call in an army, and while the Amazons are formidable, the Atlanteans would undoubtedly have an edge in numbers and technology.

And the Flashpoint Paradox film has the Atlanteans and Amazon's facing off against each other.

Aqua man was rather... intense even before the New 52. In the Justice League cartoon you had him and his son imprisoned by the bad guys, waiting to be torn apart... he saws his own arm off, rescues his son then gets a trident welded to his arm stump.

Which is pretty darned metal for a kids cartoon from 15 years ago...

The writer of JL -- Chris Terrio -- said in an interview that part of his research involved reading Diodorus of Sicily for his account of a war between Atlantis and the Amazons.

I'm guessing that means we'll get some backstory about a war and resulting bad blood between Diana's and Arthur's peoples.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Black Manta also killed Aquaman's son and then taunted Aquaman about it so he has that going for him.

Cause killing a hero's loved one always ends well for the villain, right?

Well if I recall part of Manta's motivation is that Aquaman killed his father, so they both have blood on their hands in that regard.

 Hoitash wrote:
Does anyone know why this is set during the Great War when the comics and live action series were set in WW II?

I'm presuming they don't want to tread on Marvel's "Hydra is literally worse than Hitler" thing, but that's the only thing I can think of for a reason.

Not that more Great War stuff is a bad thing, mind.

My guess would be that if it were set in WWII it would love even more like Captain America the First Avenger than it already does

While I think it looks awesome and will totally see it, I did have a brief moment of concern. Are the soldiers we see her cutting to ribbons actually any threat to her? I mean, we've seen her take blows from Doomsday and stand more or less in his building destroying destructive wave with not so much as a bruise. That sorta implies to me that anything they could throw at her is going to tickle at best.

Which kinda means from the average German soldier's perspective she's this invulnerable monster that slaughters entire squads.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
Does anyone know why this is set during the Great War when the comics and live action series were set in WW II?

I'm presuming they don't want to tread on Marvel's "Hydra is literally worse than Hitler" thing, but that's the only thing I can think of for a reason.

Not that more Great War stuff is a bad thing, mind.

My guess would be that if it were set in WWII it would love even more like Captain America the First Avenger than it already does

Lessee...Amazon from a magical island vs. a guy from NYC...creatures of myth vs. government agencies...WWI vs. WWII...no super-soldier serum, government agencies or Red Skull in sight. But hey, she carries a shield, so it must be exactly the same thing.

There are people that thought Jurassic Park was for kids even though it was clearly rated R so it isn't a leap to think that people would equate the two just for both being superhero movies set during WWII. There is also that whole thing where DC and Marvel hate each other.

They also wouldn't have been able to do the line in BvS where, essentially, WW says she hasn't been WW for almost 100 years. WWII wasn't that long ago but WWI was.

See, I figured the WWI setting was mostly an easy way to skirt the ban on Nazi iconography in Germany.

 Ahtman wrote:
There are people that thought Jurassic Park was for kids even though it was clearly rated R so it isn't a leap to think that people would equate the two just for both being superhero movies set during WWII. There is also that whole thing where DC and Marvel hate each other.

They also wouldn't have been able to do the line in BvS where, essentially, WW says she hasn't been WW for almost 100 years. WWII wasn't that long ago but WWI was.

Jurassic Park was rated R? Really? We got a PG rating here when it came out lol.

Looking forward to Wonder Woman. Though I am annoyed by some of the backlash against the trailer, people whining that it's "pushing a feminist agenda"... have they not read Wonder Woman before?

 Melissia wrote:
Looking forward to Wonder Woman. Though I am annoyed by some of the backlash against the trailer, people whining that it's "pushing a feminist agenda"... have they not read Wonder Woman before?

I'd guess probably not. The kind of person who cries about "feminist agenda" in public isn't usually drawn to competent female-driven story.

 Melissia wrote:
Looking forward to Wonder Woman. Though I am annoyed by some of the backlash against the trailer, people whining that it's "pushing a feminist agenda"... have they not read Wonder Woman before?

Doubt they have..............not heard or seen anything negative but then it is an awesome trailer

It is! I'm glad to see Steve Trevor in it, too, it's good that they actually did enough research to know WW's long-term support characters. That puts them as better than many of DC's own writers.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
There are people that thought Jurassic Park was for kids even though it was clearly rated R so it isn't a leap to think that people would equate the two just for both being superhero movies set during WWII. There is also that whole thing where DC and Marvel hate each other.

They also wouldn't have been able to do the line in BvS where, essentially, WW says she hasn't been WW for almost 100 years. WWII wasn't that long ago but WWI was.

Jurassic Park was rated R? Really? We got a PG rating here when it came out lol.

I remembered incorrectly, herp derp. It had a warning for violence but people still took their under age kids to it, because dinosaurs, and then complained that the dinosaurs attacked and ate people. I'm not sure what they expected dinosaurs to do.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
There are people that thought Jurassic Park was for kids even though it was clearly rated R so it isn't a leap to think that people would equate the two just for both being superhero movies set during WWII. There is also that whole thing where DC and Marvel hate each other.

They also wouldn't have been able to do the line in BvS where, essentially, WW says she hasn't been WW for almost 100 years. WWII wasn't that long ago but WWI was.

Jurassic Park was rated R? Really? We got a PG rating here when it came out lol.

It was PG-13... I was a projectionist and had to build that damn thing. That film stayed in the theater for quite a llllllllong time.

I'm very optimistic to both JL and Wonder Woman.

 Melissia wrote:
It is! I'm glad to see Steve Trevor in it, too, it's good that they actually did enough research to know WW's long-term support characters. That puts them as better than many of DC's own writers.

Must admit I had no idea who he was - but he seemed to work well in the trailer as did the other characters.

The actress playing WW seems to have the character down - completely.

It looks fabulous

Oh and that theme tune.....hell yeah!

 Mr Morden wrote:


Oh and that theme tune.....hell yeah!

Ok, now I'm going to *have* to watch the trailer. I've been lamenting the fact that since the resurgence of superhero films, there's only been a single decent, hummable, superhero-ey theme since Batman '89.

Actually, scratch that, I was thinking of a SuperVILLAIN theme (Magneto from X-Men: First Class). I might give a few points to the "Avengers" theme though. All the sorta Hans Zimmer style stuff is fine for a film score, but it's not a gorramed theme.

 Compel wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Oh and that theme tune.....hell yeah!

Ok, now I'm going to *have* to watch the trailer. I've been lamenting the fact that since the resurgence of superhero films, there's only been a single decent, hummable, superhero-ey theme since Batman '89.

Actually, scratch that, I was thinking of a SuperVILLAIN theme (Magneto from X-Men: First Class). I might give a few points to the "Avengers" theme though. All the sorta Hans Zimmer style stuff is fine for a film score, but it's not a gorramed theme.

you don;t need to watch the trailer - its here:




love it

Yeah, that is a standout track from a superb score, if the entire WW soundtrack is built around those tones and sounds them we're in for a treat!

One interesting thing to note in BvS is in the 'email' scene, you can distinctly hear each hero's own musical motifs as they appear, something which I assume will set the tone for their respective soundtracks come solo film time.

That falls into the, "fine for a film score" thing, but it's still, in my opinion, not a proper theme. I just want something hummable.


For example,



Hummable.

 Compel wrote:

Ok, now I'm going to *have* to watch the trailer. I've been lamenting the fact that since the resurgence of superhero films, there's only been a single decent, hummable, superhero-ey theme since Batman '89.

I know, it seems like actual musical themes just aren't the "in thing" anymore for movies. It's like producers would rather just have mood music than, well, real music. Or that they would rather just license some pop music for the soundtrack rather than try to truly create something. I still think it was absolutely criminal that they didn't use John Williams's Superman theme for the new Superman.

I would have both laughed and applauded if they used the old Wonder Woman theme.

The John Williams score is iconic and the WW TV show theme is still stuck in my head decades later, but I still didn't hate the Hans Zimmer theme for Man of Steel.

 Melissia wrote:
I would have both laughed and applauded if they used the old Wonder Woman theme.

The musical theme itself could have been adapted or incorporated in some way, that would be a nice touch.
Anyway, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy (at only 39 ). Lynda Carter will always be Wonder Woman, Adam West and Kevin Conroy will always be Batman, and Christopher Reeve will always be Superman.

To me, the most iconic music for a comic book series comes from Batman, he's been well treated when it comes to that sort of thing. The original Batman movie, the Adam West light-hearted show, the darker Batman Animated show, et cetera, all had great theme songs.

The Danny Elfman theme for example:

Ithink it seems to be specifically the superhero films that are avoiding them (Though, like I said, there is a specific "Avengers" theme and Magneto has his own theme that I've been humming constantly while painting my Brotherhood of Mutants today....) However, other genres are still embracing it. - John Williams is still doing his classics, for example, whether it's the piano in "Jurassic World" or "Rey's Theme" in Episode 7.

Maybe we might hear "The Lonely Man" in Thor Ragnarok? It turned up in the 2008 Incredible Hulk, if memory serves.

But, going back on topic, if I was musically inclined with a composing persuasion... Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman would all be dream opportunities to do a proper classic theme for.

Like I said, Wonder Woman is a good score but if I was a composer I would be begging to let me do a theme. Something that could be remembered for decades. And maybe something that, for multiple generations of people, they'd forever tie it to that character. It just feels like a lost opportunity.

Agreed, it's a chance to put your name down in cultural history. And they're throwing it away.

To be honest, I think theme tumes are probably a thing of the past in mass media, aside from stuff like Star Wars and such. More commonly, you're getting various musical motifs and tones mixed into scores, and to be honest I'm fine with that. While having one defining track for a character is nice, even when it's absent there's still stuff to pick up on. Take the BvS soundtrack; you could play me a track from that without the title and it'd still be pretty obvious whether it belongs to a Batman/WW/Supes/Lex scene... Maybe that's just because I am a bit obsessive when it comes to soundtracks, but I do think the idea of a 'theme tune' has evolved into a set of identifiers for a particular piece of music.

And I think that works very well. Going back to BvS as an example, the clues are there. Superman has high, light, piano and strings over rapid but quietdrums, Batman has heavy, long, low notes hammered in quick succession, WW has the screaming guitars and primal drums, Lex has the deliberate, discordant piano stuff ect, Personally, as much as I do love a good opening theme, I'm just as happy with stuff that can be worked into a score and really 'talk' throughout the film.

Though I must admit I did grin when there was the tiniest hint of the original theme music in the opening of X-men: Apocalypse!

 gorgon wrote:
See, I figured the WWI setting was mostly an easy way to skirt the ban on Nazi iconography in Germany.

I didn't realize it was WWI, just assumed it was II as that's generally media's goto war. I also made references to its similarities to Captain America. I mean sure, I know it's going to have a different story and characterizations and all, and I'm not trying to bash it at all because the trailer looks sweet, but on the surface you have a super human wearing a patriotically colored outfit, carrying a round shield (aim for the legs), and punching the crap out of America's enemies during a World War for their origin story. You can't help but draw the comparisons.