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Space Wolves losing? Ha, you wish!

...me too :( To hell with Fenris! The Crimson King shall have his vengeance!

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I rather like the look of this, both the Traitor Legion supplement (please for the love of Horus make it decent!) and the 1k Sons models.

What I want the most from this?
Space Wolves to lose. PLEASE.

My biggest worry?
The Space Wolves won't lose.

What about Russ coming back to save the wolves?

GW said Russ won't be coming back, it will be a different primarch.

when did GW say Russ wasn't coming back?

I've been hoping for Chaos to succeed at something for quite a while, now. We'll see if it actually comes to fruition or if there will be a last minute "save the day" by somebody like Grimnar or the 13th Company (Hell, watch the Wolf Brothers come storming out of nowhere!). Since SW was my first army, but I also have a crush on the Thousand Suns, I'm torn. I was more hoping for a Black Crusade victory, but I'll make do!
Or, maybe the TS will expose the secret beneath Fenris and reveal they're warp-tainted or something.

LightKing wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I rather like the look of this, both the Traitor Legion supplement (please for the love of Horus make it decent!) and the 1k Sons models.

What I want the most from this?
Space Wolves to lose. PLEASE.

My biggest worry?
The Space Wolves won't lose.

What about Russ coming back to save the wolves?

GW said Russ won't be coming back, it will be a different primarch.

when did GW say Russ wasn't coming back?

Sorry, I got that wrong. Sad Panda said Russ won't be the first to come back, not GW.

 MarsNZ wrote:
Blue Tsons on the cover of a Magnus book.

You've done it again GW.

In War of the Fang we learn that Magnus has ordered all his followers to paint their armour blue.
We don't know canoically why. Maybe to build bridges with Ahriman.

Captyn_Bob wrote:


In War of the Fang we learn that Magnus has ordered all his followers to paint their armour blue.
We don't know canoically why. Maybe to build bridges with Ahriman.

He forsaw gw would screw up with colors eventually.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Considering he is the size of an Imperial Ttian, it would be strange if he wasn't.

Nah bruv. T6, like all the big things that aren't Eldar.'

Nah T5, like a normal Daemon Prince.

And he'll be 999 points, because Tzeentch or something.

t4 cause he didn't betray.

He is nor marine neither eldar or tau...so T5 and, indeed, 999.

Because GW loves keep lore with point cost from the dark gods.



Aaaand of course the Sisters of Silence will eat him. They are inmune to his powers, they broke him at melee and they weaken Magnus effectiveness in general.



Acutally They are the pain of the new Tsons army, since any impreium army will be able to carry them (one or 2 at least). And they cost more or less like a chaos squad with a melta... but with impressibe rules.


That is something feth me hard...finally give some love to chaos, and give to all imperium armies a broke troop that blow up magic (so no powers neither nice summons). Because every time they give something new to chaos, give something new "and better" to the imperium xDDD

Well i am still waiting they give to chaos something to vanish graviton shots xDD

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Nah T5, like a normal Daemon Prince.

And he'll be 999 points, because Tzeentch or something.

I expect (doh) nothing less from the brain trust at GW creative. I swear its like they dont want to sell models sometimes.

Table wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Nah T5, like a normal Daemon Prince.

And he'll be 999 points, because Tzeentch or something.

I suspect nothing less from the brain trust at GW creative. I swear its like they dont want to sell models sometimes.

Indeed. I still feel very strange that a nurgle spawn is harder to kill than a nurgle dameon prince hahahahaha. The T5 for something so expensive as a DP equiped (armor, wins, weapon, mark...) is like a joke.

But the worst is the loss of eternal warrior, since now a S10 attack autokills the DP.

Franarok wrote:
He is nor marine neither eldar or tau...so T5 and, indeed, 999.

Because GW loves keep lore with point cost from the dark gods.



Aaaand of course the Sisters of Silence will eat him. They are inmune to his powers, they broke him at melee and they weaken Magnus effectiveness in general.



Acutally They are the pain of the new Tsons army, since any impreium army will be able to carry them (one or 2 at least). And they cost more or less like a chaos squad with a melta... but with impressibe rules.


That is something feth me hard...finally give some love to chaos, and give to all imperium armies a broke troop that blow up magic (so no powers neither nice summons). Because every time they give something new to chaos, give something new "and better" to the imperium xDDD

Well i am still waiting they give to chaos something to vanish graviton shots xDD

Chaos having any advantage on the table top cannot be tolerated. If chaos can put up a fight then the space marine customer base is at risk. And considering thats 75% of 40k sales.........you do the math. But in all seriousness. Most CSM players should have accepted the fact by now that we will always be at a disadvantage. Its just how it has been since 3.5 and how it will it will continue to be until a certain someone retires (half joking). If you play CSM, and havent accepted this, then you are in for a bad time. Not saying we cant push out a good list with 5 books and some know how Just we will never have an advantage over imperial players (space marines).


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Franarok wrote:

Table wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Nah T5, like a normal Daemon Prince.

And he'll be 999 points, because Tzeentch or something.

I suspect nothing less from the brain trust at GW creative. I swear its like they dont want to sell models sometimes.

Indeed. I still feel very strange that a nurgle spawn is harder to kill than a nurgle dameon prince hahahahaha. The T5 for something so expensive as a DP equiped (armor, wins, weapon, mark...) is like a joke.

But the worst is the loss of eternal warrior, since now a S10 attack autokills the DP.

The only prince you can run in a semi-comp game is either a nurgle prince with black mace + wings or belakor. I dont see that changing anytime soon. You just have to pray your foe is not packing something str 10 with ignores cover.

It's just very cheeky.....They will give chaos new powers and new army units focused on powers..............and they give the sisters of silence to imperium...OMG.

And wait to see the new sisters and GK rules, because sure cut in half powers and demons like butter hahaha.


No mention the comparison between the formations and decurions rules between marines and csm xDD



This traitor legions will be, of course, welcomed! I love it and love the new figures. but omg, give a book to the imperium to break the new chaos one is not fair......

Because there are no other armies with lack of content or with rubbish rules (orks, I am looking at you xD), so they need release more imperium ones because they dont have any supplements and all their armies are low low tier...

Franarok wrote:
...Because there are no other armies with lack of content or with rubbish rules (orks, I am looking at you xD), so they need release more imperium ones because they dont have any supplements and all their armies are low low tier...

This release is hitting three of the four armies most in need of drastic overhauls in models/rules (CSM, Sisters, and Inquisition, missing Orks). Orks may be low-tier but at least everything's in plastic now (Cult Marines are Finecast, Sisters are metal, and Inquisitorial Henchmen mostly don't exist at all).


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Table wrote:
The only prince you can run in a semi-comp game is either a nurgle prince with black mace + wings or belakor. I dont see that changing anytime soon. You just have to pray your foe is not packing something str 10 with ignores cover.

S10/Ignore Cover is pretty hard to come by. It exists on the most broken tank in the game (Typhon), the second most broken tank in the game (Hellhammer), the most broken infantry unit in the game (Wraithguard), and some bizarre Guard artillery lists, off the top of my head.

And vindicator squadrons

 Roknar wrote:
And vindicator squadrons

Yes. If none of the three Side 11/Rear 10 vehicles in the Vindicator squadron is dead it can pretend to be a short-ranged Typhon. You should have the range/mobility to do something about it before it one-shots one of your DPs.

Why not just run a couple wolves on a wolves with a fist and 3++ and insta wolf the dp for 1/2 the cost?

On the other hand an apocalyptic blast is big enough to catch the prince turn one if you get unlucky. Still, he's way more likely to be squished in close combat by STR 10 than shooting. Does forgeworld give tau any Str 10 railguns? What about conversion beamers, are those forgeworld only? Wait, nvm, those don't get ignore cover do they? Short of being psychically buffed anyway.

My wrath of magnus predictions

-Dark angels bomb the ever loving gak outta Fenris
-Wolfen come up and kick the gak outta the dark angels
-Russ is finally announced, and goes aboard the rock himself to punch Azrial in the dick for getting tricked to bomb the planet.
-russ punches Azrial in the dick
-Russ then becomes the only actual person to check the broom closet aboard to rock and finds lion and wakes him up
-Punches the lion in the dick
-Russ gets punched in the dick by lion
-They have a bro moment
-All this time Magnus has been setting fire to fenris.
-Lion El, and Russ team up and tell the dark angels and wolves to stop fighting like a bunch of nobs and kick the book worms ass.
-While thats going on, Magnus manages to bring his brother outta the warp, and fulgrim shows up with his legion in tow.
-under the combined might of 2 legions, fenris falls
-The space wolves escape with the dark angels, and become a fleet based chapter that travels with the dark angels from then on out.

And queue start of the end times with russ and lion on the IoM side, and Fulgrim and Magnus on the traitor side.

OH! and when russ came back, it turns out his rumored quest really was true. He dipped into the warp to try and find Isha's tree of life. Did not find the tree, so instead he rescued her from nurgal with the deal that she would heal his brother primarch and the big E soon.

 Roknar wrote:
On the other hand an apocalyptic blast is big enough to catch the prince turn one if you get unlucky. Still, he's way more likely to be squished in close combat by STR 10 than shooting. Does forgeworld give tau any Str 10 railguns? What about conversion beamers, are those forgeworld only? Wait, nvm, those don't get ignore cover do they? Short of being psychically buffed anyway.

Hammerheads are still S10, yes, forgot them.

So long shot, but you think if a psyker is lucky enough he could actually banish Magnus?

Honestly I'm quite excited. Anytime where you see several new models to a codex which hasn't had new ones in years, you got to be pumped. What I'm hoping for:

1) Reduction in points for Thousand Son squad. In addition to that, the upcoming Traitor Legion book should have a slight point cost reduction in Plague, Noise, and Berserkers. Cult Marines are the biggest flavor difference with regular marines and CSM players should be able to play more of these specialized units. I can let go the fact that marines can spam grav guns if Thousand Sons units get a 15-25 point cost drop. Also, addiing heavy weapons to the 1K Sons is awesome and hopefully, we can see that Assault cannon at AP3?

2) Reduction on cost on Marks and Icons or incorporate army wide rules that give these marks/icons to all units within a detachment.

3) That Wrath of Magnus incorporates some flavor of the rules that have been in place for KDK, Genestealers, or BL Cabal, that provide unique tactics for Tzeentch armies.

4) Magnus?! How can you not be excited about that? Probably a LoW with wraithknight like power. Add psyker abilities to that... cross you fingers for this unit to be under 500 points.

It's going to be exciting to see Thousand Sons and hopefully other cult marines get more time on the table top and less time collecting dust in the closet. /cross fingers

 Bach wrote:
Honestly I'm quite excited. Anytime where you see several new models to a codex which hasn't had new ones in years, you got to be pumped. What I'm hoping for:

1) Reduction in points for Thousand Son squad. In addition to that, the upcoming Traitor Legion book should have a slight point cost reduction in Plague, Noise, and Berserkers. Cult Marines are the biggest flavor difference with regular marines and CSM players should be able to play more of these specialized units. I can let go the fact that marines can spam grav guns if Thousand Sons units get a 15-25 point cost drop. Also, addiing heavy weapons to the 1K Sons is awesome and hopefully, we can see that Assault cannon at AP3?

2) Reduction on cost on Marks and Icons or incorporate army wide rules that give these marks/icons to all units within a detachment.

3) That Wrath of Magnus incorporates some flavor of the rules that have been in place for KDK, Genestealers, or BL Cabal, that provide unique tactics for Tzeentch armies.

4) Magnus?! How can you not be excited about that? Probably a LoW with wraithknight like power. Add psyker abilities to that... cross you fingers for this unit to be under 500 points.

It's going to be exciting to see Thousand Sons and hopefully other cult marines get more time on the table top and less time collecting dust in the closet. /cross fingers

Rumors, again so not very much to go off of, was i heard he is like 600 points, and has some crazy spells. One being he can make his opponant reroll any d3 dice of his choosing. per turn.

OK, 600 points is starting to get up there. I guess we will have to wait and see how survivable the unit is. If Magnus can weather a couple of turns of focused fire, 600 points will still probably be worth it. I'm looking at it like this:

Survivable like a Wraithknight - thumbs up @ 600 points

Survivable like a Stormsurge - thumbs down @ 600 points

 Bach wrote:
OK, 600 points is starting to get up there. I guess we will have to wait and see how survivable the unit is. If Magnus can weather a couple of turns of focused fire, 600 points will still probably be worth it. I'm looking at it like this:

Survivable like a Wraithknight - thumbs up @ 600 points

Survivable like a Stormsurge - thumbs down @ 600 points

Again these are just rumors.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
And vindicator squadrons

Yes. If none of the three Side 11/Rear 10 vehicles in the Vindicator squadron is dead it can pretend to be a short-ranged Typhon. You should have the range/mobility to do something about it before it one-shots one of your DPs.

I would agree that in most cases I would not fear a Vindicator squadron as a DPoN. But lets not pretend that DTR10 ingores cover is the only thing that can instant-gib a DPoN. Tau Rail Guns and marker lights can hose him down as well. Or Tau destroyer missles with markerlights. Now Its true, that unless the tau player is sporting 12+ markerlights to shoot at the DPoN then both of those things wont happen often. Unlless of course there is a way to fire markerlights with ignores cover ( if thats the case the DPoN is screwed bad). But none of this is the only way to kill a DPoN. It seems that Tau probably have the most ways to deal with a DPoN.

I don't know why people expect point reductions. Look to the Tau supplement to see where things are going. Options added, but nothing technically changed or removed. Rubrics will be copy/pasted with the flamer, rotor cannon and new psychic disciplines added, nothing more.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't know why people expect point reductions. Look to the Tau supplement to see where things are going. Options added, but nothing technically changed or removed. Rubrics will be copy/pasted with the flamer, rotor cannon and new psychic disciplines added, nothing more.

Yep, ill 100% agree that nothing is getting reduced in price. It didnt happen for KDK and it sure as hell wont happen for a supplement. The chaos tax shall live on.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
My wrath of magnus predictions

-Dark angels bomb the ever loving gak outta Fenris
-Wolfen come up and kick the gak outta the dark angels
-Russ is finally announced, and goes aboard the rock himself to punch Azrial in the dick for getting tricked to bomb the planet.
-russ punches Azrial in the dick
-Russ then becomes the only actual person to check the broom closet aboard to rock and finds lion and wakes him up
-Punches the lion in the dick
-Russ gets punched in the dick by lion
-They have a bro moment
-All this time Magnus has been setting fire to fenris.
-Lion El, and Russ team up and tell the dark angels and wolves to stop fighting like a bunch of nobs and kick the book worms ass.
-While thats going on, Magnus manages to bring his brother outta the warp, and fulgrim shows up with his legion in tow.
-under the combined might of 2 legions, fenris falls
-The space wolves escape with the dark angels, and become a fleet based chapter that travels with the dark angels from then on out.

And queue start of the end times with russ and lion on the IoM side, and Fulgrim and Magnus on the traitor side.

OH! and when russ came back, it turns out his rumored quest really was true. He dipped into the warp to try and find Isha's tree of life. Did not find the tree, so instead he rescued her from nurgal with the deal that she would heal his brother primarch and the big E soon.

Laughed my arse out at this one.