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It's the current cycle. Marines to shiny gold sigmarines to shiny gold even more marines than nu!marines not!Marines.
Translation: new marine kits weren't that old. Then Age of Sigmar happened. Then primaris marines happened, now things that aren't technically marines but are even more better gene-engineered supermen in shiny gold armor happen.
Background fluff varies a bit, but at the end of the day, this is more Imperium in Shinier Armor.
Because 2 wounds didn't work out well enough. More 3 wound things for truly 'elite' status.

 Galas wrote:
They'll cost the same as Deathsroud, probably. So 45€. But I hope for much higher customization.

that would be about 10€ saving compared to FW ones. Unless they come also with weapons used by aquillon(power fist and lastrum storm bolter or firepike would be good enough) not worth it(for me. I'm looking at from POV of adding to my 30k forces. For 40k use these are 100% worthless for me) without getting 30k rules.

Yes, because people have different tastes.

I think they look splendid.

I don't think these ARE terminators. I think these might instead of custodes HQs.

BrianDavion wrote:
I don't think these ARE terminators. I think these might instead of custodes HQs.

They are, they share the raised back plate, back top knot. Legs look bigger, the torsos have an extra set of piping.

Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.

Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.

The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.

I mean, I don't particularly like them but that's because I don't like custodes. However they do look a hell of a lot better than the FW ones for a change.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I don't think these ARE terminators. I think these might instead of custodes HQs.

They are, they share the raised back plate, back top knot. Legs look bigger, the torsos have an extra set of piping.

yeah maybe slooking at it they are clearly a type of unit so... but yeah I think saying "they're terminators" is a bit simple. they're definatly akin to death shrouds though, a vetern bodyguard unit

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.

Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.

The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.

They have Terminator Saves true, so for 8e, practically the same.

These ones probably have +1 Wound, maybe deepstrike. Some kinda aura.


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BrianDavion wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I don't think these ARE terminators. I think these might instead of custodes HQs.

They are, they share the raised back plate, back top knot. Legs look bigger, the torsos have an extra set of piping.

yeah maybe slooking at it they are clearly a type of unit so... but yeah I think saying "they're terminators" is a bit simple. they're definatly akin to death shrouds though, a vetern bodyguard unit

Ok... Last I checked that would still make them Terminators, just special ones.

tneva82 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
They'll cost the same as Deathsroud, probably. So 45€. But I hope for much higher customization.

that would be about 10€ saving compared to FW ones. Unless they come also with weapons used by aquillon(power fist and lastrum storm bolter or firepike would be good enough) not worth it(for me. I'm looking at from POV of adding to my 30k forces. For 40k use these are 100% worthless for me) without getting 30k rules.

For savings you need to factor the usual 20-30% discount that comes from buying from UK and the conversion pound-euro, if you want to compare them with the FW ones.

not nesscarily, space marines vetern bodyguard unit (honor guard) are not terminators.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.

Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.

The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.

No, Custodes are just a lot bigger than your average marines. Custodes Terminators are on 50mm bases. So pretty chunky. These guys guard the Golden Throne and the Eternity Gate.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.

Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.

The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.

No, Custodes are just a lot bigger than your average marines. Custodes Terminators are on 50mm bases. So pretty chunky. These guys guard the Golden Throne and the Eternity Gate.

So they're the companions. the 300 who directly guard the emperor

Incredibly disappointed in GW. Gimme a new Xenos army for the love of god.

I don't really care about the Custodes, but these are great models. They have great proportions and look like a person could actually fit inside the armour. This really makes me hope that we see similarly proportioned Primaris terminators soon. Meanwhile I might use these to convert some Space Marine terminator characters.

Seriously, I am so stoked for this release. I can't wait to hopefully see more tomorrow. If they release a special tank/Contemptor Dreadnought for Custodes alongside these models my life will be complete.

 Stumbling Snake wrote:
Seriously, I am so stoked for this release. I can't wait to hopefully see more tomorrow. If they release a special tank/Contemptor Dreadnought for Custodes alongside these models my life will be complete.

I’m not getting my hopes up for that. Lately, GW have been releasing amazing infantry and terrible vehicles, whereas FW have been releasing amazing vehicles and ... see where I’m going with this?

The FW range of Heresy era Custodes vehicles is just beautiful. I can’t imaging GW being able to top those.

Just saw this on B&C, I'm currently not 100% sure if he is serious but this will be ace if true

Sete - B&C

Dudes. Please. Do you think it's just these guys? Ah. My sweet summer children. Wait until we see the jetbike, the flyer and the transport with option for turrets. Along with the dread and HQ and codex. Praise the God Emperor.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343053-huge-40k-reveal-tomorrow/page-8#entry4975358

Edit: Sounds like he is after I read further in the thread


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And we will have plastic versions of it.

Different versions if you may. These Terminators look different. I expect the rest of the range to be aswell.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Stumbling Snake wrote:
Seriously, I am so stoked for this release. I can't wait to hopefully see more tomorrow. If they release a special tank/Contemptor Dreadnought for Custodes alongside these models my life will be complete.

I’m not getting my hopes up for that. Lately, GW have been releasing amazing infantry and terrible vehicles, whereas FW have been releasing amazing vehicles and ... see where I’m going with this?

The FW range of Heresy era Custodes vehicles is just beautiful. I can’t imaging GW being able to top those.

Yeah, I can't disagree with that. If they put rules for the 30k tanks/Dreads I'd be just as happy. Either way!


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Warhams-77 wrote:
Just saw this on B&C, I'm currently not 100% if he is serious but this will be ace if true

Sete - B&C

Dudes. Please. Do you think it's just these guys? Ah. My sweet summer children. Wait until we see the jetbike, the flyer and the transport with option for turrets. Along with the dread and HQ and codex. Praise the God Emperor.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343053-huge-40k-reveal-tomorrow/page-8#entry4975358

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

*Excitement Intensifies*

I am going to be very cross if they ditch another perfectly good chance to slide Inquisitors and Henchmen into a Codex.

I am... whelmed.

Hoping there's still some announcements for major factions without Codexes tomorrow/very soon.

On top of not being very good, custodes also break all kinds of codex mono army bonuses. You can't get guard / mech / astartes cool detachment bonuses if you have custodes. So they are necessarily lame splash troops. If they had a "you can take these in a space marine detachment without breaking bonuses' special rule maybe they could see some use. Here's hoping for the codex.

2 sets for me.

 Marfuzzo wrote:
holy crap these models suck :O....Seriously does this s**t sell?

Hell yeah they do. I'm gonna buy them, they look fantastic. Can't wait for a better pic where they aren't so washed out.

These look great. Definitely buying a box - with how many points Custodes are, that's probably sufficient.

Curious to see what other supporting releases Custodes / Talons get.

Literally the only thing I'd be interested in on the Custardmen front is a grav Rhino. Not a Gravitic Mammoth, or a Golden Repulsomator, or whatever "we don't want you to use any models you already own to counts-as this and also we think something must be unpronounceable to be trademarked" nonsense; a straight up floating Rhino with jet engines on it. Bonus points if they use the "it's for Custodes" thing as an excuse to make it truescale.

Otherwise - meh. Every time they release another "no, honest, *this time* they're the supererest and most eliteiest elite troops in the Imperium" army all I can muster is an eyeroll now.

Member when Grey Knights were *only* Terminators and were so badass you only used one unit of them? Member when Space Marines were special and actually elite rather than cannon fodder for Bigger Marines, Better Marines, Psychic Knight Marines, and now Golden not-Marines? I member.

You're curmudgeonly spiel holds no water Yod.

Grey Knights have been around as 'super Marines' since the RT days. Cusdotes have always been better than everything in the fluff, and we're just getting them as models with rules now. I don't see a problem with that.

Marines in the fluff were elite small forces, but have never really played that way, even in 2nd Ed when everything cost twice as much (Bolter Marines were still just bullet shields for the heavy weapon guys).

The Primaris Marines are a different beast, but they're around because GW have released everything they can for Marines, even doing plastic Tactical, Assault and Devastator squad twice over, so they put themselves into a corner with a (basically) complete plastic range, so needed something new.

The idea that things were anything even approaching as daft as they are now even a couple of editions ago, let alone back when GK were Terminators and Necrons were Chaos Androids, is nonsense.

Marines were never going to be as elite on the table as they were in the fluff, some level of abstraction is inevitable same with their stats, but a Marine in 2nd and even 3rd felt *special*. By turning what should have remained single, hyper-elite ally units like GK, Deathwatch, and Custodes into full armies, and with the addition of Primaris regardless of the reason why they exist, they've made them feel anything but special.

Now gerrof my lawn.

 Arbitrator wrote:
The 'huge' announcement for tomorrow.

Figured this warranted it's own thread since it's going to be stuck a ways into the announcement of an announcement thread.

Not a huge Custodes fan, but I like these.
I especially like that the "topknot" isn't attached to the helms but rather to the 'hunch' of the armor.

I think whoever mentioned the idea of this kit including heroes for the Custodes seems to have the right idea. The Shield-Captain and Vexilus Praetor strike me as being hero types with the Alarus Custodians being something like the Deathshroud or possibly even the Lone Wolves idea that Space Wolves had.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The idea that things were anything even approaching as daft as they are now even a couple of editions ago, let alone back when GK were Terminators and Necrons were Chaos Androids, is nonsense.

Marines were never going to be as elite on the table as they were in the fluff, some level of abstraction is inevitable same with their stats, but a Marine in 2nd and even 3rd felt *special*. By turning what should have remained single, hyper-elite ally units like GK, Deathwatch, and Custodes into full armies, and with the addition of Primaris regardless of the reason why they exist, they've made them feel anything but special.

Now gerrof my lawn.

Marines only ever felt special to marine players.