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I for one hope that they resolve all the DW wargear issues by releasing Deathwatch kits in Mk.8 with more fancy gear. Assault veterans with shotguns, for a start.

As for their codex, I expect we’ll see “keep specialisations” with tactics and whatnot tailored to certain kinds of Xenos.

They're not going to release new kits. There will be a Primaris Deathwatch upgrade kit at best.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to release new kits. There will be a Primaris Deathwatch upgrade kit at best.

Nope, heads and shoulder pads are interchangeable, so current upgrade spru works just fine for primaris.

Sarevokk wrote:
you really think Codex Deathwatch will be the first codex featuring no army wide tactic?

Honestly? Given their last 3 books, if Kelly and Cruddace remain the writers, I'd actually give it 90% to not have anything good

If someone actually competent does it instead, then we can stay optimistic. Hopefully.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
If all the marine codices were one book how would they make money selling so many different codices?

You could do it Forge World style - make one Codex: SM with generic Astartes units, then release booklets with special units of deviant chapters and modifications to generic units. Say, tactical squad becomes wolfwolf squad in SW army with different options table, crusader squad in BT army with their stuff, etc, etc. If it works for HH, why not 40K? You could do also a lot more chapters that way.

 Digclaw wrote:
Nope, heads and shoulder pads are interchangeable, so current upgrade spru works just fine for primaris.

You could say the same about UM, DA, and BA upgrade sprues, yet they got new Primaris one.

It would be nice if DW got Lieutenant with xenophase like the above did plus new upgrade bits.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I really hope the existing DW get help. It has sounded very Primaris focused so far.

Same here. Primaris are cool and all but the DW Kill team is a great kit that's far to new to be consigned to the back of the shelf.
Hopefully the DW will get greater access to the non Primaris SM range as well. Cataphractii and Tartaros Terminators, the Stormtalon/Stormhawk, both types of Centurions and the rest of the Dreadnought types would IMO all be good fits for the DW

Mixed Primaris squads should definitely be a thing, but I will definitely be pretty upset if the army they released a year and a half ago is already completely replaced with new models.

I must admit, I'm not a fan of the rules that allows you to fall back and shoot or charge if you happen to have a single bike or jump pack guy in the sqd, it's very clunky. Get rid of that and put it in the strategems.

 bullyboy wrote:
I must admit, I'm not a fan of the rules that allows you to fall back and shoot or charge if you happen to have a single bike or jump pack guy in the sqd, it's very clunky. Get rid of that and put it in the strategems.

I'd love for these rules to function, but there's no way to transport Kill Teams this way outside of the Blackstar.

 LunarSol wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
I must admit, I'm not a fan of the rules that allows you to fall back and shoot or charge if you happen to have a single bike or jump pack guy in the sqd, it's very clunky. Get rid of that and put it in the strategems.

I'd love for these rules to function, but there's no way to transport Kill Teams this way outside of the Blackstar.

to me it's just odd to have one dude with a jump pack or bike, and voila, you can perform these feats because of that one dude and lose it if he's dead.

Well the Vanguard dude doesn't HAVE to have a Jump Pack does he? That allows transportation.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

If all the marine codices were one book how would they make money selling so many different codices?

Well, they would save a lot of time and money NOT printing more books and NOT distributing them. Let's say you have 100 marine players, of which 70 play regular marines, 10 play BA, 10 play DA, and 10 play SW. You could make one big codex to sell to all 100, or you could sell 1 to 70, 1 to 10, 1 to 10 and 1 to 10. In total you sold 100 books, but you spent more money on each codex.

I am not really looking at any DW Primaris. If they get SI ammo on Bolt Rifles, Assault Bolters, or Boltstorm Gauntlets, I will definitely change my tune though.

I hope deathwatch won't become primawatch, I want to play space marines and deathwatch, not primaris !

 godardc wrote:
I hope deathwatch won't become primawatch, I want to play space marines and deathwatch, not primaris !

Primaris are Space Marines. Better get used to that.

I wonder if they'll make a Primaris Watchmaster. It would be cool to see a Primaris with a Guardian Spear.

Justyn wrote:

Uhh, Deathwatch is the best from all of the Chapters, and loyalists from traitor chapters.

Sure.

Commander we need to send the Deathwatch some men. They request the very best we have. Well what do they do? Sir they hunt Xenos. Wait, don't we do that? Why yes we do! Send them recruit bob and jim, tell them they have done absolutely amazing, we have never seen better recruits, we will honor them with a special privilege. Great idea sir.

Heresy. There are no terrible space marines. They're all glorious gods, supreme and perfect.

 Togusa wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Uhh, Deathwatch is the best from all of the Chapters, and loyalists from traitor chapters.

Sure.

Commander we need to send the Deathwatch some men. They request the very best we have. Well what do they do? Sir they hunt Xenos. Wait, don't we do that? Why yes we do! Send them recruit bob and jim, tell them they have done absolutely amazing, we have never seen better recruits, we will honor them with a special privilege. Great idea sir.

Heresy. There are no terrible space marines. They're all glorious gods, supreme and perfect.

They're all just future entertainment in the Wych Cult Arenas just waiting for collection.

All space marines are chaos space marines waiting to happen.

Launching Deathwatch, who have Kill Teams, and ‘Kill Team: The Game’ around the same time *again*? Way to confuse peeps, GeeDubs!

 Digclaw wrote:
Nope, heads and shoulder pads are interchangeable, so current upgrade spru works just fine for primaris.

As stated by Ibris:

 Irbis wrote:
You could say the same about UM, DA, and BA upgrade sprues, yet they got new Primaris one.

So yeah, it's perfectly logical to assume that they'll get this and maybe a token Primaris Deathwatch character.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Launching Deathwatch, who have Kill Teams, and ‘Kill Team: The Game’ around the same time *again*? Way to confuse peeps, GeeDubs!

OR actually market slightly

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Digclaw wrote:
Nope, heads and shoulder pads are interchangeable, so current upgrade spru works just fine for primaris.

As stated by Ibris:

 Irbis wrote:
You could say the same about UM, DA, and BA upgrade sprues, yet they got new Primaris one.

So yeah, it's perfectly logical to assume that they'll get this and maybe a token Primaris Deathwatch character.

That would be pretty awesome if we got a Primaris character similar to the Angel Lieutenants.

Oh yeah. Nothing's more awesome than an new Marine mini whose weapon options are limited by whatever fits on his sprue.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh yeah. Nothing's more awesome than an new Marine mini whose weapon options are limited by whatever fits on his sprue.

GW really needs to stop that. They gotta understand it's unpopular and people are gonna do Counts-As regardless.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh yeah. Nothing's more awesome than an new Marine mini whose weapon options are limited by whatever fits on his sprue.

GW really needs to stop that. They gotta understand it's unpopular and people are gonna do Counts-As regardless.

I don't think they care so much about preventing 'counts-as' as they do making options that don't exist that force players to go to third party manufacturers or scratch build something.

Personally, minis with options that aren't available in the box need to die, forever. I refuse to become a structural engineer, carpenter, or sculptor because I want the most point efficient options on my dreadnoughts.

Kit-bashing or w/e is fun for some people, but making it mandatory to use a product we already payed an excessive amount of money for, that we are expected to build AND hand paint, is silly. They should be including more options on sprues.

People are gonna kitbash regardless if they think the weapon looks neat.

For example there's that one Hobbit dude that FW released that looks stupid but has that awesome spiked club. I'd take that and make it into a Thunder Hammer Counts-As, though we can pretend I got it from a third party.


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You're also more describing a balance issue rather than a kit issue.

ERJAK wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh yeah. Nothing's more awesome than an new Marine mini whose weapon options are limited by whatever fits on his sprue.

GW really needs to stop that. They gotta understand it's unpopular and people are gonna do Counts-As regardless.

I don't think they care so much about preventing 'counts-as' as they do making options that don't exist that force players to go to third party manufacturers or scratch build something.

Personally, minis with options that aren't available in the box need to die, forever. I refuse to become a structural engineer, carpenter, or sculptor because I want the most point efficient options on my dreadnoughts.

Kit-bashing or w/e is fun for some people, but making it mandatory to use a product we already payed an excessive amount of money for, that we are expected to build AND hand paint, is silly. They should be including more options on sprues.

Except that they are ignoring all of the cross compatible options that are deliberately built into the kits (particularly Space Marines); for example I now have two apothecaries that I can only use with the index rules (i.e. will shortly become unplayable), because one is on a bike and the other is equipped with a bolt gun rather than a bolt pistol. There was no cutting, sculpting or structural engineering required to make these models, I simply switched out the relevant bits using the modularity that was designed into the models in the first place. But because the Official TM GW kit doesn’t have those options in it, they are no longer supported in the codex, despite command squad bikes having been an option since god knows when.

ERJAK wrote:
Personally, minis with options that aren't available in the box need to die, forever. I refuse to become a structural engineer, carpenter, or sculptor because I want the most point efficient options on my dreadnoughts.

Go and click the link in my first post in this thread. This is the type of nonsense we're talking about, where a DW Chaplain can't have a jump pack or a power fist despite you being able to slap a DW pad on a Chaplain mini because GW didn't make a specific Deathwatch Chaplain with a jump pack and/or power fist. Where a DW Captain can only have a Storm Bolter and either a power sword or relic blade rather than any other weapon combo, regardless of all the other Terminator kits that are out there.

It affects every army out there (only DA Primaris Lts can have plasma pistols because the DA Primaris Lt has one and the BA/vanilla Lt minis don't) but it so much more pronounced with the asinine DW equipment restrictions.

Them surviving into the Codex would be a tragic failure of rules design.

Do we need to reheat this and drag it OT into GW-complaints Land? Seems more 40K Discussion than Deathwatch News and Rumours...

Agreed, if we could keep things focused on the leaks and info from the OP, that would be great.

I'd be interested to see what the background for DW Primaris is. Do they still mostly get recruited from regular chapters, or did the DW get a load of "fresh" Primaris straight from the Indominus crusade forces?