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 Gitzbitah wrote:
I'd recommend looking at him in The Crown. He's a very credible prince, and I think a performance like that would lead to a great higher up in either military- though I'm assuming he'd need to be First Order since the Resistance presently consists of the Falcon and 20 or 30 dudes.

Thinking on it, I could see him stepping in as a Piett to Hux's Ozzel if Kylo gets sick of the latter.

Hey hey hey.

Don’t yor be doing Edward Elizabeth Ndingomboba out of his promotion!

Yes, I used his movie surname, in case people don’t get the reference. Safe than sorry!


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So this news makes me really really really want some updated news on the new Star Trek movie, and hopefully it doesn't get killed by the Chris's asking for too much money.

 Just Tony wrote:
So this news makes me really really really want some updated news on the new Star Trek movie, and hopefully it doesn't get killed by the Chris's asking for too much money.

There you go!

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-trek/60236/star-trek-karl-urban-on-tarantinos-bananas-movie-plans

Wrong Star Trek movie...

 insaniak wrote:
Wrong Star Trek movie...

No it's not, ST4 is basically dead at this point. Paramount in their present shambolic state simply can't afford to pay the amount of money the Chris' can command now relative to when the first JJTrek film came out, and there's no reason for them to accept less than they're worth. Without Hemsworth the intended plot for ST4 is a goner, since the whole "Kirk time travels to meet his daddy" thing was only being done in the first place to try and have some of that Thor magic rub off on the JJTrek franchise's box office. Without Kirk they don't have a franchise at all - what are they going to do, recast the character again? Not to mention that a good portion of the rest of the cast won't sign on without Pine. The only shot for another JJTrek film is for them to drop Hemsworth and offer the money that was intended for both to Pine alone, then pray really really hard that none of the other cast also insist on a pay bump and they can line up some investment to fund production even without the "Hey, no, come back, we got Thor in this one!" factor.

Not to mention there's the potential remerger of Viacom's sundered parts going on in the background, and we've no idea how having all the Trek rights back under one roof will impact things going forward, there's a reason Kurtzman & co are rushing to cram as many things into production as possible as quickly as possible; there's a very real possibility the wonko-land licenses that STD and JJTrek exist under will be voided under whatever new regime would end up in charge if the merger does go ahead. We can only hope.

I personally like the Abrams Trek movies, AND the video game that fits storywise between Trek and Into Darkness.


What I'm hoping for is for them to bury the daddy time travel angle, then make a decent story that doesn't ape any other part of the franchise. THAT would make me happy. I'd say go ahead and throw in the Gorn again to make stronger continuity ties with the game. I'm hoping they either get past the whole recasting Chekov thing or find a way to write him out without being dead so somewhere down the line they can recast him.

I favor the one line aside that he had a teleporter accident. Then he can come back as someone different, or stay reasonably dead.

 insaniak wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I’m still sad we’re in this position with regards to Star Wars.

I'm not, because I'm not in that position. Still excited for the next movie, as I've enjoyed the hell out of Disney's efforts so far. And I'm keen to see what Smith is doing in this one.

Yeah, me too. TLJ actually may have left more "open doors" than most people realize and there is still a lot that JJ can do that "corrects" it back to the vision he started with.
For example, Rey's parents being nobody could easily be a lie, either a lie told by Kylo, or a lie told by Snoke via the vision Kylo saw.

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Wouldn't whipsawing on the fundamental questions of the series thus far create a barrier to engagement for the audience?

 Galef wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I’m still sad we’re in this position with regards to Star Wars.

I'm not, because I'm not in that position. Still excited for the next movie, as I've enjoyed the hell out of Disney's efforts so far. And I'm keen to see what Smith is doing in this one.

Yeah, me too. TLJ actually may have left more "open doors" than most people realize and there is still a lot that JJ can do that "corrects" it back to the vision he started with.
For example, Rey's parents being nobody could easily be a lie, either a lie told by Kylo, or a lie told by Snoke via the vision Kylo saw.

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There's open doors alright. The open doors of the 30-40 cars and lorries that make up this utter motorway pile up of a movie.

To call the last Jedi a dumpster fire of a movie, would be an insult to dumpster fires. When the reviews are more entertaining than the film, you know it's in trouble.

Personally, I cannot see how anybody on God's earth can salvage episode 9. The plot, and the internal logic of the film, has more holes in it than machine-gunned Swiss cheese.

For as long as I live, I don't ever want to hear a bad word about Phantom Menace. It's a Oscar winner in comparison.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
For as long as I live, I don't ever want to hear a bad word about Phantom Menace. It's a Oscar winner in comparison.

And maybe that was the point. To elevate the prequels to cult status for a new generation the same way the Prequels did for the OT for the generation born right after the OT (like me).

Who knows, in a decade or so, there will be a new SW trilogy so bad that TLJ will look like ESB in comparision

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 Galef wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
For as long as I live, I don't ever want to hear a bad word about Phantom Menace. It's a Oscar winner in comparison.

And maybe that was the point. To elevate the prequels to cult status for a new generation the same way the Prequels did for the OT for the generation born right after the OT (like me).

Who knows, in a decade or so, there will be a new SW trilogy so bad that TLJ will look like ESB in comparision

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The horror. The horror.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Wouldn't whipsawing on the fundamental questions of the series thus far create a barrier to engagement for the audience?

Like when Vader killed Luke's father? No, I don't think it would be a problem for them to reveal that Rey's parents aren't nobody after all... Although I would kind of prefer it if they didn't go that way. Her being a nobody works, and passes the story on from the Skywalker family.

No it would be easy. Move forward in time a few years. The rebellion has rebounded. Smith is the admiral heading a massive rebellion fleet that clashes with the FO in an apocalyptic mega battle.

Meanwhile Rey and Darth Wussy fight it out. Rey wins and eats his kidneys with fava beans and a nice chianti. The end.

They're going to have to move forward quite a bit to rebuild the Resistance. In VIII they went from a small fleet of ships and fighters with thousands of crew to twentyish people in a century-old armed freighter. It's a defeat of TREMENDOUS magnitude that makes Hoth a minor setback in comparison.

Have the crawl explain that Leia, Rey and company have hooked up with hidden Resistance cells that have been gathering powerful allies and stockpiling resources for years. *boom*

 gorgon wrote:
Have the crawl explain that Leia, Rey and company have hooked up with hidden Resistance cells that have been gathering powerful allies and stockpiling resources for years. *boom*

Which then prompts the question - where were these hidden cells when the leadership of the Resistance were cornered and desperately sending out messages asking for help to no avail? You might think the way the Resistance ended up in TLJ was daft, I certainly do, but the intention was clear an unequivocal: at the end of TLJ, the Resistance are a spent force, reduced to a handful of people fleeing in a clapped out old freighter. If they're going to change that rather than taking things in an entirely different direction, they have to put a bit more effort into it than "err, naw naw there were totes loads more of them just there, over to the left, you didn't spot them 'cos they were super quiet"

Or more likely they were inspired by Luke Skywalker to take action.

EDIT: I was going to take the time to demonstrate the holes in the so-called fixes discussed, but... you know what? I just don't care that much anymore.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Have the crawl explain that Leia, Rey and company have hooked up with hidden Resistance cells that have been gathering powerful allies and stockpiling resources for years. *boom*

Which then prompts the question - where were these hidden cells when the leadership of the Resistance were cornered and desperately sending out messages asking for help to no avail? You might think the way the Resistance ended up in TLJ was daft, I certainly do, but the intention was clear an unequivocal: at the end of TLJ, the Resistance are a spent force, reduced to a handful of people fleeing in a clapped out old freighter. If they're going to change that rather than taking things in an entirely different direction, they have to put a bit more effort into it than "err, naw naw there were totes loads more of them just there, over to the left, you didn't spot them 'cos they were super quiet"

Well new SW is fond of idea of bringing in new elements unannounced into the field so why not here...Maybe they borrowed page from GW or GW from them!

I thought it was pretty clear that the Resistance has allies - they just weren't willing to stick their necks out for them at the end, when it seemed like they were about to get utterly stomped.

You could pretty easily pull them in for the next movie without changing anything. It doesn't need 'fixes'.

For example, Rey's parents being nobody could easily be a lie, either a lie told by Kylo, or a lie told by Snoke via the vision Kylo saw.

Now where's that quote from the letter to that one sci-fi fan magazine back in 1980...

Is Luke related to Vader? Most think so now that Vader came right out and said it. Well, I say, do you believe everything you hear? Vader may have lied just to enlist Luke to his side. Vader would then dispose of Luke once he got what he wanted.

 Vulcan wrote:
EDIT: I was going to take the time to demonstrate the holes in the so-called fixes discussed, but... you know what? I just don't care that much anymore.

Ninety-eight percent of the audience would be ready to go after a short explanation in the crawl. People don't go to SW movies to think. Just look at the films.

For the unsatisfied 2%, perhaps Disney will do a companion book series dealing with logistics and mustering of forces in the SW universe.

Maybe I haven't been keeping up to date with everything that's out there, but to the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a decent explanation as to why the resistance even existed in the first place.

The new Republic would surely have had its own military, so why the resistance?

Granted, the resistence makes total sense after the new Republic gets blown to bits, but before?

It was putting the cart before the horse.

As I understand it, they were basically a partisan militia - the Republic didn't consider the First Order a real threat and didn't want to violate any post-Empire peace agreements, so Leia and a few like-minded veterans set up the Resistance to oppose them, using funding from sympathetic New Republic senators.

Doesn't seem that implausible to me, really!

 Spinner wrote:
As I understand it, they were basically a partisan militia - the Republic didn't consider the First Order a real threat and didn't want to violate any post-Empire peace agreements, so Leia and a few like-minded veterans set up the Resistance to oppose them, using funding from sympathetic New Republic senators.

Doesn't seem that implausible to me, really!

What peace agreement?

Not having a go at you, but the whole background thing could have been cleared up with a few lines in TFA.

It was woeful writing on the creator's part.

Chuck Wendig's Aftermath trilogy sort of lay the groundwork for this (but they're generally pretty crappy and I do not recommend). Mon Mothma and Leia fall out after Endor over what sort of entity the NR will be and Leia loses. Mon gets her way and the NR becomes entirely demilitarised (leaving planetary defence up to the planets themselves) with a revolving capital (as the Empire has dug in on Coruscant). I don't recall how much the books go into but the implication is that Leia goes off and sorts out the Resistance in secret.

There's a bit where some secret Admiral is running the Empire into the ground as part of a contingency plan of Palpatine's for some reason, and a teenage Hux is in it, and that part is supposed to hint at how the First Order came to be.

The one good thing about the series Sinjir Rath Velus, a former Imperial 'loyalty officer' who stole a Rebel uniform at Endor and has been drunk in cantinas ever since.

Well, it's Star Wars, so it's mentioned in about six million forms of supplementary tie-in and novelizations But I don't know that it's super necessary to get into for the sake of the movie plot. The Force Awakens made it clear that the New Republic could not or would not directly oppose the First Order right from the title crawl, which states that they're backing the Resistance.

It could have been a little clearer, yeah, but I don't think it qualifies for 'woeful'.

The last few movies have really put this franchise to bed for me, and I'm just no longer terribly interested in Star Wars after that. There's a variety of reasons for that, and it's not that I despise Star Wars and hate everyone involved, but Disney gave it their shot, and I found it incoherent and confused, the new characters uncompelling while the characters I had been attached to are now gone, and none of the new flicks have tempted me to watch them again, though Vader's appearance in Rogue One was a memorable gem.


I'll probably still see all the movies at some point once they show up on torrent sites or netflix, Matt Smith being in them doesn't detract anything from them, but I just have zero emotional investment or interest in where the series goes from here.

I'm finding stuff like The Expanse to be much more my bag these days.

Yeah, I have no real interest of excitement for a new Star Wars film and no real interest in what happens with these characters.

However, I will have to see what my daughter thinks and decide from there is we will go.