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Any actual rules leaks for the new SOB mini dex?

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Mandragola wrote:
 Galef wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
no news on marine chapter tactics on vehicles...man, I am stumped if they don't include that.

Ignores Cover on Predators is far too broken you know that.
So is -1 to hit on a Fire Prism, but that has been a thing. Chapter Tactics absolutely need to apply to vehicles, because other factions' trait do. It's only fair
I also disagree with you that converting -1 to hit traits into +1 Cover save is a bad decision. It will stop stacking -1 penalties from reaching outrageous/unfair levels against armies that aren't pure gunlines

 Kirasu wrote:
Reduced points won't make marines better.. they need to actually design units and abilities to not be terrible. Quick and dirty cost changes are pretty much the absolute minimum work that could be done (beyond doing nothing).

I personally want marines to be 13-15 pts a model but actually be 4x better than a damn guardsman instead of functionally worse.
I agree overall, but that ship has sailed. GW should have made all Marines have the Primaris statline from the start of 8E, but that didn't happen.
We'll have to live with their minimum effort. And if that means hordes get more expensive, while Marines get cheaper, it may balance out to make a Marine better than 2-3 Guardsmen

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It’s certainly true that rule changes are required for marines – not just points changes. I’d like it if “The Holy Bolter” had some kind of effect in a game of 40k, for example.

In the meantime though, if my little dudes are going to have no effect, I’m glad not to have to pay so much for them. Wonder if Pedro will get cheaper.

I also play Tau and it’s good to see crisis suits coming down in points a bit. What they really need though is cheaper guns, which are the majority of their cost. It ought to be obvious that a gun is worth more on a 6-wound character with 2+ BS and a 20” move than on a 3-wound model with 4+ BS. On the other hand I’m hoping that nobody notices that my fire warriors now cost the same as ork boyz.

The guns are the same cost because the platforms are entirely different costs. I'm not saying Crisis Suits are good, but it's obvious that, after you cut their price like that, the guns don't need to be cheaper.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Now Gunline players are rejoicing about the removing of the -1 to hit. Worst decision easily so far from these rumors.

I like that Intercessors are getting a slight price cut. That would mean 1-2 points like I predicted.


As if it wasn't gunlines already using -1 to hit.

And you counter that by not resorting strictly to gunline.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.
   
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The change of -1 to +1 cover makes the custodes vexillus less useful and the -1 aura now a far weaker +1 cover. Will it be seeing a slight point drop as a result?

As for the GK smite change.... wow if true.
   
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chnmmr wrote:
The change of -1 to +1 cover makes the custodes vexillus less useful and the -1 aura now a far weaker +1 cover. Will it be seeing a slight point drop as a result?

As for the GK smite change.... wow if true.


I think this is specifically referring to army traits like Aliatoc, Alpha Legion, and Raven guard, not all -1 to hits in the whole game.
   
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 oni wrote:
While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.

The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.

Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:
   
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chnmmr wrote:
The change of -1 to +1 cover makes the custodes vexillus less useful and the -1 aura now a far weaker +1 cover. Will it be seeing a slight point drop as a result?

As for the GK smite change.... wow if true.


I doubt the vexillus will change - just traits.

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fresus wrote:
 oni wrote:
While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.

The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.

Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:


I see Wraithknight (obviously) eldrad, Yriel, and a bunch of warlocks in there. The warlock from the seer council definitely needs a drop, but solo warlocks...I dunno.
   
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It’s certainly true that rule changes are required for marines – not just points changes. I’d like it if “The Holy Bolter” had some kind of effect in a game of 40k, for example.


Unfortunately the nerf to the holy bolter seems to be primarily to sell Primaris other their lesser brothers, so I don't expect any changes there.
   
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 Kawauso wrote:
Is anyone else kind of relieved that Sisters are still about a year out?


Yes and no. On the one hand, I want to see them actually happen, on the other, giving themselves a good time frame to take feedback from the beta list and do a good job is better than rushing it out.

It's what they should have done with the Index lists instead of flying immediately into pushing out codex books.

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Wait, why are they nerfing necrons? I don't play necrons but I certainly know they do not need a nerf at all! If anything they needed a few points here and there dropped!

and knights... don't get me started about knights. How "new" gw can sit there and be okay with knights is beyond me. I'm not saying they should be nerfed into oblivion but I would at least want to see a few points here and there to discourage their overall power like they did to Orks.

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The other necron units will be fixed hopefully - but It makes sense that they want to try and tamp down any mono-builds out there by adjusting points of things that get over-used.

   
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 rollawaythestone wrote:
The other necron units will be fixed hopefully - but It makes sense that they want to try and tamp down any mono-builds out there by adjusting points of things that get over-used.

Then they should also do this to Knights. I'm all for fixing an army but I hate it when GW nerfs one army that isn't even top tier and ignores a blatantly obvious flaw in the other. As I say, I am not a Necron player, but I really hope they get the adjustments they need to make their army better.

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 lolman1c wrote:
 rollawaythestone wrote:
The other necron units will be fixed hopefully - but It makes sense that they want to try and tamp down any mono-builds out there by adjusting points of things that get over-used.

Then they should also do this to Knights. I'm all for fixing an army but I hate it when GW nerfs one army that isn't even top tier and ignores a blatantly obvious flaw in the other. As I say, I am not a Necron player, but I really hope they get the adjustments they need to make their army better.


We haven't even seen the release yet. No reason to get all up in arms yet from a set of incomplete rumors.

   
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Where's the Infantry change? The changes to IK? Massive fail.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where's the Infantry change? The changes to IK? Massive fail.


5 pt Cultists is huge. Wondering if Termagants get the same treatment.

   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Spoiler:
fresus wrote:
 oni wrote:
While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.

The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.

Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:


I see Wraithknight (obviously) eldrad, Yriel, and a bunch of warlocks in there. The warlock from the seer council definitely needs a drop, but solo warlocks...I dunno.


That really worries me, there are a lot of problem units in there (e.g., Dark Reapers, Rangers, Hemlocks). That's a big price drop when they're still present...
   
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 rollawaythestone wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where's the Infantry change? The changes to IK? Massive fail.


5 pt Cultists is huge. Wondering if Termagants get the same treatment.

Without 5ppm Infantry it's completely moot.
   
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 Burnage wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Spoiler:
fresus wrote:
 oni wrote:
While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.

The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.

Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:


I see Wraithknight (obviously) eldrad, Yriel, and a bunch of warlocks in there. The warlock from the seer council definitely needs a drop, but solo warlocks...I dunno.


That really worries me, there are a lot of problem units in there (e.g., Dark Reapers, Rangers, Hemlocks). That's a big price drop when they're still present...


Given the number of Wraith units in there I expect that the points reductions are concentrated in units that don't see competitive play (WLs, WWs, WKs etc). Cause while there is a small pod of Rangers and Reapers, the bulk of that shot is units that don't get out much these days.

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 rollawaythestone wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where's the Infantry change? The changes to IK? Massive fail.


5 pt Cultists is huge. Wondering if Termagants get the same treatment.

Without 5ppm Infantry it's completely moot.


Did you at least consider that not every change is listed?
   
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Everything I see:
-Hemlock
-3x SC Serpent
-2xML WarWalker
-Reapers
-Warlocks
-Rangers
-Wraithknight
-Wraithlord
-Wraithguard with cannons
-Wraithguard with swords
-Dire Avengers
-*STORM* Guardians
-Farseer
-Yriel

(Where do you see Eldrad?)

As a whole, yes, that force should go down. I could see the Hemlock and Serpent going up, but what else? The WK alone needs to go down more than those need to go up. And it's not the only thing there that should go down.
   
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Some stuff popping up over on reddit. Cannot confirm source, so take it for what you will.

Intercessor down 1

Repulsor 185

Primaris captain 78

Captain in gravis 90

Twin las to 40

Land raider to 200 (redeemer 180)

Be'Lakor 240

Terminators 23

Drop Pod 63

Also storm shields dropping in price (no numbers yet).

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Dandelion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 rollawaythestone wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where's the Infantry change? The changes to IK? Massive fail.


5 pt Cultists is huge. Wondering if Termagants get the same treatment.

Without 5ppm Infantry it's completely moot.


Did you at least consider that not every change is listed?


We will see... but it's best to get your opinions in how based on the experience from year of GW so we can do the "I told you so" phase.

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Radikus wrote:
Some stuff popping up over on reddit. Cannot confirm source, so take it for what you will.

Intercessor down 1

Repulsor 185

Primaris captain 78

Captain in gravis 90

Twin las to 40

Land raider to 200 (redeemer 180)

Be'Lakor 240

Terminators 23

Drop Pod 63

Also storm shields dropping in price (no numbers yet).


What are the current points cost, so we have some context?

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As a predominantly spirit host player, I'm excited about this. I run 3x units guard and 2 lords, so should have more to play with.
   
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looks like love taps. That would be fine if they did 1 week updates. But we have to wait 6 more months for another CA.

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Radikus wrote:
Some stuff popping up over on reddit. Cannot confirm source, so take it for what you will.

Intercessor down 1

Repulsor 185

Primaris captain 78

Captain in gravis 90

Twin las to 40

Land raider to 200 (redeemer 180)

Be'Lakor 240

Terminators 23

Drop Pod 63

Also storm shields dropping in price (no numbers yet).


If this is even close to accurate then Deathwatch are gonna be hilarious.
   
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regarding sisters being a year out, their CODEX is a year out, I could see GW releasing the sisters models in two waves, the first wave being a re-work of the old stuff in say spring with the new codex having new NEW units.

yeah I know it's not likely but lemme be optimistic damnit!

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I'm hoping my marines will drop in points. Haven't used them in nearly a year. XD
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Radikus wrote:
Some stuff popping up over on reddit. Cannot confirm source, so take it for what you will.

Intercessor down 1

Repulsor 185

Primaris captain 78

Captain in gravis 90

Twin las to 40

Land raider to 200 (redeemer 180)

Be'Lakor 240

Terminators 23

Drop Pod 63

Also storm shields dropping in price (no numbers yet).


What are the current points cost, so we have some context?



Intercessor down 1 (18pts > 17pts)

Repulsor 185 (210pts > 185pts)

Primaris captain 78 (91pts > 78pts)

Captain in gravis 90 (134pts > 90pts)

Twin las to 40 (50pts > 40pts)

Land raider to 200 (239pts > 200pts)

Be'Lakor 240 (don't know, sorry)

Terminators 23 (40pts > 23pts)

Drop Pod 63 (83pts > 63pts)

Adeptus Custodes 2,000pts 100% painted 
   
 
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