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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
the_scotsman wrote: no news on marine chapter tactics on vehicles...man, I am stumped if they don't include that.
Ignores Cover on Predators is far too broken you know that.
So is -1 to hit on a Fire Prism, but that has been a thing. Chapter Tactics absolutely need to apply to vehicles, because other factions' trait do. It's only fair
I also disagree with you that converting -1 to hit traits into +1 Cover save is a bad decision. It will stop stacking -1 penalties from reaching outrageous/unfair levels against armies that aren't pure gunlines
Kirasu wrote: Reduced points won't make marines better.. they need to actually design units and abilities to not be terrible. Quick and dirty cost changes are pretty much the absolute minimum work that could be done (beyond doing nothing).
I personally want marines to be 13-15 pts a model but actually be 4x better than a damn guardsman instead of functionally worse.
I agree overall, but that ship has sailed. GW should have made all Marines have the Primaris statline from the start of 8E, but that didn't happen.
We'll have to live with their minimum effort. And if that means hordes get more expensive, while Marines get cheaper, it may balance out to make a Marine better than 2-3 Guardsmen
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It’s certainly true that rule changes are required for marines – not just points changes. I’d like it if “The Holy Bolter” had some kind of effect in a game of 40k, for example.
In the meantime though, if my little dudes are going to have no effect, I’m glad not to have to pay so much for them. Wonder if Pedro will get cheaper.
I also play Tau and it’s good to see crisis suits coming down in points a bit. What they really need though is cheaper guns, which are the majority of their cost. It ought to be obvious that a gun is worth more on a 6-wound character with 2+ BS and a 20” move than on a 3-wound model with 4+ BS. On the other hand I’m hoping that nobody notices that my fire warriors now cost the same as ork boyz.
The guns are the same cost because the platforms are entirely different costs. I'm not saying Crisis Suits are good, but it's obvious that, after you cut their price like that, the guns don't need to be cheaper.
The change of -1 to +1 cover makes the custodes vexillus less useful and the -1 aura now a far weaker +1 cover. Will it be seeing a slight point drop as a result?
chnmmr wrote: The change of -1 to +1 cover makes the custodes vexillus less useful and the -1 aura now a far weaker +1 cover. Will it be seeing a slight point drop as a result?
As for the GK smite change.... wow if true.
I think this is specifically referring to army traits like Aliatoc, Alpha Legion, and Raven guard, not all -1 to hits in the whole game.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
oni wrote: While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.
The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.
Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:
chnmmr wrote: The change of -1 to +1 cover makes the custodes vexillus less useful and the -1 aura now a far weaker +1 cover. Will it be seeing a slight point drop as a result?
oni wrote: While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.
The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.
Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:
I see Wraithknight (obviously) eldrad, Yriel, and a bunch of warlocks in there. The warlock from the seer council definitely needs a drop, but solo warlocks...I dunno.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
It’s certainly true that rule changes are required for marines – not just points changes. I’d like it if “The Holy Bolter” had some kind of effect in a game of 40k, for example.
Unfortunately the nerf to the holy bolter seems to be primarily to sell Primaris other their lesser brothers, so I don't expect any changes there.
Kawauso wrote: Is anyone else kind of relieved that Sisters are still about a year out?
Yes and no. On the one hand, I want to see them actually happen, on the other, giving themselves a good time frame to take feedback from the beta list and do a good job is better than rushing it out.
It's what they should have done with the Index lists instead of flying immediately into pushing out codex books.
Wait, why are they nerfing necrons? I don't play necrons but I certainly know they do not need a nerf at all! If anything they needed a few points here and there dropped!
and knights... don't get me started about knights. How "new" gw can sit there and be okay with knights is beyond me. I'm not saying they should be nerfed into oblivion but I would at least want to see a few points here and there to discourage their overall power like they did to Orks.
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The other necron units will be fixed hopefully - but It makes sense that they want to try and tamp down any mono-builds out there by adjusting points of things that get over-used.
rollawaythestone wrote: The other necron units will be fixed hopefully - but It makes sense that they want to try and tamp down any mono-builds out there by adjusting points of things that get over-used.
Then they should also do this to Knights. I'm all for fixing an army but I hate it when GW nerfs one army that isn't even top tier and ignores a blatantly obvious flaw in the other. As I say, I am not a Necron player, but I really hope they get the adjustments they need to make their army better.
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rollawaythestone wrote: The other necron units will be fixed hopefully - but It makes sense that they want to try and tamp down any mono-builds out there by adjusting points of things that get over-used.
Then they should also do this to Knights. I'm all for fixing an army but I hate it when GW nerfs one army that isn't even top tier and ignores a blatantly obvious flaw in the other. As I say, I am not a Necron player, but I really hope they get the adjustments they need to make their army better.
We haven't even seen the release yet. No reason to get all up in arms yet from a set of incomplete rumors.
oni wrote: While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.
The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.
Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:
I see Wraithknight (obviously) eldrad, Yriel, and a bunch of warlocks in there. The warlock from the seer council definitely needs a drop, but solo warlocks...I dunno.
That really worries me, there are a lot of problem units in there (e.g., Dark Reapers, Rangers, Hemlocks). That's a big price drop when they're still present...
oni wrote: While I would like to see some this happen, I"m calling bullgak. I'll believe it when I see it in print.
The stuff from the facebook post comes from a video from French Wargame Studio (as another poster pointed out). They're always 100% accurate, as they receive codex and CA far in advance.
The last two sentences are old rumors, not linked to FWS.
Apparently (haven't watched the video myself, but saw the info on a French forum), the GSC codex should be released the last week of January.
They gave a lot of specific point costs (the video was live and they were responding to people's questions), and apparently the following army should be ~300-400pts cheaper:
I see Wraithknight (obviously) eldrad, Yriel, and a bunch of warlocks in there. The warlock from the seer council definitely needs a drop, but solo warlocks...I dunno.
That really worries me, there are a lot of problem units in there (e.g., Dark Reapers, Rangers, Hemlocks). That's a big price drop when they're still present...
Given the number of Wraith units in there I expect that the points reductions are concentrated in units that don't see competitive play (WLs, WWs, WKs etc). Cause while there is a small pod of Rangers and Reapers, the bulk of that shot is units that don't get out much these days.
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Everything I see:
-Hemlock
-3x SC Serpent
-2xML WarWalker
-Reapers
-Warlocks
-Rangers
-Wraithknight
-Wraithlord
-Wraithguard with cannons
-Wraithguard with swords
-Dire Avengers
-*STORM* Guardians
-Farseer
-Yriel
(Where do you see Eldrad?)
As a whole, yes, that force should go down. I could see the Hemlock and Serpent going up, but what else? The WK alone needs to go down more than those need to go up. And it's not the only thing there that should go down.
looks like love taps. That would be fine if they did 1 week updates. But we have to wait 6 more months for another CA.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
regarding sisters being a year out, their CODEX is a year out, I could see GW releasing the sisters models in two waves, the first wave being a re-work of the old stuff in say spring with the new codex having new NEW units.
yeah I know it's not likely but lemme be optimistic damnit!
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