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 Xenomancers wrote:
Umm...in case anyone didn't notice. For 3 CP you can activate shoot twice act of faith (in a 6 inch aura) So basically your whole army can try to shoot twice. Plus if it's a squad with 10 storm bolters and using the 1 CP stratagem to do 2 flat with AP -2. Just kiss your army goodbye. These leaks are incredibly powerful.

Question. Does the Ebon Chalice order get +1 to their devotion roll? They called it +1 to Test of faith.

The only weapon SoB actually use that isn't a 12" range is a heavy bolter. We're not slinging lascannons or anything. Plus, with the way AoFs work, it'll take every point you have for the whole game to do it once. Most likely.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Umm...in case anyone didn't notice. For 3 CP you can activate shoot twice act of faith (in a 6 inch aura) So basically your whole army can try to shoot twice. Plus if it's a squad with 10 storm bolters and using the 1 CP stratagem to do 2 flat with AP -2. Just kiss your army goodbye. These leaks are incredibly powerful.

Question. Does the Ebon Chalice order get +1 to their devotion roll? They called it +1 to Test of faith.

1) To use the 3CP stratagem you have to get the Act of Faith off on the Character first, so still that 5+ or 6+ or whatever.

2) 10 Storm Bolter squads are literally impossible. Dominions can have exactly 5, and that's the most we'll have in a squad. Meanwhile, GK can have 10. If we could have 10 Storm Bolter squads, I'd agree with you.

EDIT:
Additionally, there's no reason to suspect a shoot twice AOF still exists aside from speculation.

That's weird - I thought Sisters had a full strombolter squad. Kind of like a vertren space marine squad.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Also, why are we comparing Blessed Bolts to Psybolts?

We know for a fact that Psybolts is really really bad. Shouldn't that mean we want new but similarly themed stratagems to not be Psybolts?

-2 ap +1 damage for 1 point / compared to +1 Str -1 AP for 2 points. They should just hotfix psybolt ammo to be 1 CP if they are going to make a strat like this AND the blessed bolts will still be better.

Blessed bolts is just absurd.

It makes sense that a 60 point unit should be able to cleave through a terminator squad?

This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Terminators.
This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Primaris.

For less than half the points.

Except that you can have 3 Disintegrator Ravagers and save your CP for something else. They are also far, far more durable than 5 Dominions, and have a longer range with greater mobility.

You can only have 1 Blessed Bolts squad per shooting phase.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Umm...in case anyone didn't notice. For 3 CP you can activate shoot twice act of faith (in a 6 inch aura) So basically your whole army can try to shoot twice. Plus if it's a squad with 10 storm bolters and using the 1 CP stratagem to do 2 flat with AP -2. Just kiss your army goodbye. These leaks are incredibly powerful.

Question. Does the Ebon Chalice order get +1 to their devotion roll? They called it +1 to Test of faith.

1) To use the 3CP stratagem you have to get the Act of Faith off on the Character first, so still that 5+ or 6+ or whatever.

2) 10 Storm Bolter squads are literally impossible. Dominions can have exactly 5, and that's the most we'll have in a squad. Meanwhile, GK can have 10. If we could have 10 Storm Bolter squads, I'd agree with you.

EDIT:
Additionally, there's no reason to suspect a shoot twice AOF still exists aside from speculation.

That's weird - I thought Sisters had a full strombolter squad. Kind of like a vertren space marine squad.

Nope.

They can get 5 storm bolters in a 5 girl squad, which can look like a full stormbolter squad right up until you buy the sixth-through-tenth girl and realize they're far more like CSM havocs (max 4 specials per squad plus the Sergeant's weapon) than Sternguard.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Also, why are we comparing Blessed Bolts to Psybolts?

We know for a fact that Psybolts is really really bad. Shouldn't that mean we want new but similarly themed stratagems to not be Psybolts?

-2 ap +1 damage for 1 point / compared to +1 Str -1 AP for 2 points. They should just hotfix psybolt ammo to be 1 CP if they are going to make a strat like this AND the blessed bolts will still be better.

Blessed bolts is just absurd.

It makes sense that a 60 point unit should be able to cleave through a terminator squad?

This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Terminators.
This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Primaris.

For less than half the points.

Who needs plasma guns. We got storm bolters!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Who needs plasma guns. We got storm bolters!

Ironically, this may actually be an attempt to give Sororitas plasma-like firepower without actually giving them plasma guns (though it doesn't actually do that as Blessed Ammo storm bolters aren't quite as good as plasma guns).

ERJAK wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
That stratagem looks ridiculous OP when you remember that there exist CP batteries.

SoB ARE a CP battery. Our battalion is only like 45pts more expensive than the loyal 32 and is A LOT more useful. As much as I don't like the AoF changes, the Strats are great.

We'll hit a shortage of HQ's. Most CP we can get natively is 13, from a Brigade and another detachment led by Celestine. I'm also hoping for a Palantine lieutenant-character come eventually when we get models.

Xenomancers wrote:Umm...in case anyone didn't notice. For 3 CP you can activate shoot twice act of faith (in a 6 inch aura) So basically your whole army can try to shoot twice. Plus if it's a squad with 10 storm bolters and using the 1 CP stratagem to do 2 flat with AP -2. Just kiss your army goodbye. These leaks are incredibly powerful.

There is no such thing as a 10 SB squad. 5 max. They MIGHT shoot twice though, depending if there is a "shoot twice in the shooting phase" act of faith.
Edit : Ok, you've been corrected o nthat already, sorry

Marmatag wrote:Assuming sisters can still shoot out of phase, it'll be fun to watch someone pay 3CP and shoot with their entire army before the round starts. That's not broken at all.

We only saw one AoF and it wasn't out of phase (fight twice in cc), pretty sure it will be the same for anything else SoBs might get.

Yeah sure, when plasma guns start putting out 4 shots without overheating.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
That stratagem looks ridiculous OP when you remember that there exist CP batteries.

SoB ARE a CP battery. Our battalion is only like 45pts more expensive than the loyal 32 and is A LOT more useful. As much as I don't like the AoF changes, the Strats are great.

We'll hit a shortage of HQ's. Most CP we can get natively is 13, from a Brigade and another detachment led by Celestine. I'm also hoping for a Palantine lieutenant-character come eventually when we get models.

Well, remember you can get 16 because you get the +3 for existing.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Also, why are we comparing Blessed Bolts to Psybolts?

We know for a fact that Psybolts is really really bad. Shouldn't that mean we want new but similarly themed stratagems to not be Psybolts?

-2 ap +1 damage for 1 point / compared to +1 Str -1 AP for 2 points. They should just hotfix psybolt ammo to be 1 CP if they are going to make a strat like this AND the blessed bolts will still be better.

Blessed bolts is just absurd.

It makes sense that a 60 point unit should be able to cleave through a terminator squad?

This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Terminators.
This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Primaris.

For less than half the points.

Charge em. The gun barely does any damage outside of 12" even with the strat and SoB are made of tissue paper.

 Marmatag wrote:
Yeah sure, when plasma guns start putting out 4 shots without overheating.

Only if they're Strength 4 and 1 less AP to compensate. Just like these storm bolters are.

Remember, Plasma can be an AT weapon. These Storm Bolters probably won't compete on that front with Plasma.

ERJAK wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Also, why are we comparing Blessed Bolts to Psybolts?

We know for a fact that Psybolts is really really bad. Shouldn't that mean we want new but similarly themed stratagems to not be Psybolts?

-2 ap +1 damage for 1 point / compared to +1 Str -1 AP for 2 points. They should just hotfix psybolt ammo to be 1 CP if they are going to make a strat like this AND the blessed bolts will still be better.

Blessed bolts is just absurd.

It makes sense that a 60 point unit should be able to cleave through a terminator squad?

This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Terminators.
This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Primaris.

For less than half the points.

Charge em. The gun barely does any damage outside of 12" even with the strat and SoB are made of tissue paper.

Have you played 8th edition? Serious question.

You can bring a full sisters army, and also take any screens, knights, etc, you want. On top of the sisters. Because they are so cheap.

Xenomancers wrote:
That's weird - I thought Sisters had a full strombolter squad. Kind of like a vertren space marine squad.

Dominions, but it's 5 max, everybody after that doesn't get a special weapon and is just a warm body.

ERJAK wrote:

The only weapon SoB actually use that isn't a 12" range is a heavy bolter. We're not slinging lascannons or anything. Plus, with the way AoFs work, it'll take every point you have for the whole game to do it once. Most likely.

Also, the Exorcist [48"] and Multimelta [24"]

The second these guys get released in plastic i'll have to add them to my army. Jesus. There is no downside.

Faith in this thread is trashy

I've seen a lot of copy-pasta there, like the ever present 6+++ Order trait, stuff that is universally regarded as "meh, at least not TOTALLY useless".

Also, remember that the Ebon Chalice adds 1 to all Faith rolls. Even if the Simulacrum is +1, that's faith rolls going off on 3+. That one previewed, The Passion, may also be one of the harder ones to pull off, and many of the normal ones that are used may be 4s (3 with Ebon Chalice, 2 with the Simulacrum and Order).

I'll be playing Bloody Rose, but it looks like Ebon Chalice may be the "go to" Order for those who want to compete, just to make the faith much more reliable. Dialogus may be an aura to allow Faith rerolls, I doubt they'll double up on +1s, that just seems bleh for design. But Ebon Chalice with Simulacrum being escorted by a Dialogus (if that's how they shake out)... sounds like a pretty solid way to rip off Acts of Faith fairly consistently.

Suffer not the Witch is going to be hilarious. Grey Knights and Thousand Sons both are going to be very not happy. Then there's everything else that comes up as "situational", like Dominions or Seraphim getting into melta range of a Daemon Prince or something leading more from the front.

I saw Blessed Bolts and laughed. I played with a Grey Knight Strike Squad of 10 guys using Teleport Strike to get down to the ground in Stormbolter range with Psybolt Ammo to basically be a bunch of Heavy Bolter shots melting something in a turn. It was for funsies, and I landed near a chaff line so I never used Psybolt Ammo to melt the Cultists... but I always felt that Stratagem should have either been a unit upgrade, or 1 CP. I think Blessed Bolts is going to be great, but ultimately won't be considered stupidly OP (oh hi, Veterans of the Long War). The most you can get pelted with is 5 Stormbolters in a squad (Dominions with a Sergeant toting one, too). And while that one target will most likely get melted... I'm pretty sure those stormbolter gals are toast, too. I'm also not sure how that'll work with Repressors, so... figure that mess out when we get there on if the unit embarked can use said Stratagem to level stuff from the security of a Repressor (but a BSS with 3 stormbolters costs less than half of a Repressor, so I doubt you'll see that tactic, too much, as you just spam more BSS with Stormbolters for efficiency/CP).

Warlord trait and relic were very "this is what I expect". Not too powerful, but still could have a place in the right army. So kinda par for design I guess.

Penitent Engine rules look just enough to make it worth the points it costs now, but with things trending down for points in Chapter Approved, it may also get a point decrease. That'd make them super useful, I think.

Overall, seems very "in-line" with what I've seen power-wise for quite a few factions. Like we've seen what... 4 stratagems from Sororitas, and only 1 will likely see regular usage (Blessed Bolts). The other three are either situational or incredibly hard to pull off in a meaningful manner? 3 Order traits... one of which deals with faith, one is the generic have a 6+++, and the other helps the army fight back for half a turn in melee. Again, not overtly broken, but all have a possible place.

 Marmatag wrote:
Yeah sure, when plasma guns start putting out 4 shots without overheating.

Also keep in mind that Sisters don't get rerolls on their short range weapons because our characters can't keep up with dominions. Every other army rocks around with reroll to hit, reroll to wound all the dam time.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Xenomancers wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Umm...in case anyone didn't notice. For 3 CP you can activate shoot twice act of faith (in a 6 inch aura) So basically your whole army can try to shoot twice. Plus if it's a squad with 10 storm bolters and using the 1 CP stratagem to do 2 flat with AP -2. Just kiss your army goodbye. These leaks are incredibly powerful.

Question. Does the Ebon Chalice order get +1 to their devotion roll? They called it +1 to Test of faith.

1) To use the 3CP stratagem you have to get the Act of Faith off on the Character first, so still that 5+ or 6+ or whatever.

2) 10 Storm Bolter squads are literally impossible. Dominions can have exactly 5, and that's the most we'll have in a squad. Meanwhile, GK can have 10. If we could have 10 Storm Bolter squads, I'd agree with you.

EDIT:
Additionally, there's no reason to suspect a shoot twice AOF still exists aside from speculation.

That's weird - I thought Sisters had a full strombolter squad. Kind of like a vertren space marine squad.

Dominions, but it's 5 max, everybody after that doesn't get a special weapon and is just a warm body.

ERJAK wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Umm...in case anyone didn't notice. For 3 CP you can activate shoot twice act of faith (in a 6 inch aura) So basically your whole army can try to shoot twice. Plus if it's a squad with 10 storm bolters and using the 1 CP stratagem to do 2 flat with AP -2. Just kiss your army goodbye. These leaks are incredibly powerful.

Question. Does the Ebon Chalice order get +1 to their devotion roll? They called it +1 to Test of faith.

The only weapon SoB actually use that isn't a 12" range is a heavy bolter. We're not slinging lascannons or anything. Plus, with the way AoFs work, it'll take every point you have for the whole game to do it once. Most likely.

Also, the Exorcist [48"] and Multimelta [24"]

Exorcist doesn't have AoF, no one brings multimeltas.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Also, why are we comparing Blessed Bolts to Psybolts?

We know for a fact that Psybolts is really really bad. Shouldn't that mean we want new but similarly themed stratagems to not be Psybolts?

-2 ap +1 damage for 1 point / compared to +1 Str -1 AP for 2 points. They should just hotfix psybolt ammo to be 1 CP if they are going to make a strat like this AND the blessed bolts will still be better.

Blessed bolts is just absurd.

It makes sense that a 60 point unit should be able to cleave through a terminator squad?

This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Terminators.
This is more efficient than a Disintigrator Ravager against Primaris.

For less than half the points.

Who needs plasma guns. We got storm bolters!

well 5 Storm Bolters MAX per shooting phase.

Hey honestly I am happy for you sisters players. I will likely build an army with the new models when they come out. I'd just like to see some action from GW. If you are going to make a stratagem like blessed bolts which is just a copy cat of psybolt ammo - could you also fix psybolt ammo which is close to 1/3 of the power of blessed bolts?

I'll just soup them in with my Ultramarines, for example. Bobby G gives them rerolls.

Everyone has 180 points for the Loyal 32. Pay a little more for something far, far better.

And i will bet money sisters get new models or units with the codex, and aura based rerolls.

Purifying Tempest wrote:
Faith in this thread is trashy

I've seen a lot of copy-pasta there, like the ever present 6+++ Order trait, stuff that is universally regarded as "meh, at least not TOTALLY useless".

Also, remember that the Ebon Chalice adds 1 to all Faith rolls. Even if the Simulacrum is +1, that's faith rolls going off on 3+. That one previewed, The Passion, may also be one of the harder ones to pull off, and many of the normal ones that are used may be 4s (3 with Ebon Chalice, 2 with the Simulacrum and Order).

I'll be playing Bloody Rose, but it looks like Ebon Chalice may be the "go to" Order for those who want to compete, just to make the faith much more reliable. Dialogus may be an aura to allow Faith rerolls, I doubt they'll double up on +1s, that just seems bleh for design. But Ebon Chalice with Simulacrum being escorted by a Dialogus (if that's how they shake out)... sounds like a pretty solid way to rip off Acts of Faith fairly consistently.

Suffer not the Witch is going to be hilarious. Grey Knights and Thousand Sons both are going to be very not happy. Then there's everything else that comes up as "situational", like Dominions or Seraphim getting into melta range of a Daemon Prince or something leading more from the front.

I saw Blessed Bolts and laughed. I played with a Grey Knight Strike Squad of 10 guys using Teleport Strike to get down to the ground in Stormbolter range with Psybolt Ammo to basically be a bunch of Heavy Bolter shots melting something in a turn. It was for funsies, and I landed near a chaff line so I never used Psybolt Ammo to melt the Cultists... but I always felt that Stratagem should have either been a unit upgrade, or 1 CP. I think Blessed Bolts is going to be great, but ultimately won't be considered stupidly OP (oh hi, Veterans of the Long War). The most you can get pelted with is 5 Stormbolters in a squad (Dominions with a Sergeant toting one, too). And while that one target will most likely get melted... I'm pretty sure those stormbolter gals are toast, too. I'm also not sure how that'll work with Repressors, so... figure that mess out when we get there on if the unit embarked can use said Stratagem to level stuff from the security of a Repressor (but a BSS with 3 stormbolters costs less than half of a Repressor, so I doubt you'll see that tactic, too much, as you just spam more BSS with Stormbolters for efficiency/CP).

Warlord trait and relic were very "this is what I expect". Not too powerful, but still could have a place in the right army. So kinda par for design I guess.

Penitent Engine rules look just enough to make it worth the points it costs now, but with things trending down for points in Chapter Approved, it may also get a point decrease. That'd make them super useful, I think.

Overall, seems very "in-line" with what I've seen power-wise for quite a few factions. Like we've seen what... 4 stratagems from Sororitas, and only 1 will likely see regular usage (Blessed Bolts). The other three are either situational or incredibly hard to pull off in a meaningful manner? 3 Order traits... one of which deals with faith, one is the generic have a 6+++, and the other helps the army fight back for half a turn in melee. Again, not overtly broken, but all have a possible place.

Just to chime in a bit, can't target units inside a vehicle for Stratagems, so that'll be fine.

The big problem I have with Simulcrums and Dialogus is that they'll almost certainly be an aura...which means they'll never be usable on Dominions and they won't effect seraphim past turn one. Which is the same problem that Imagifiers had before.

 Marmatag wrote:
That storm bolter stratagem is absolute cheese.

Will be providing feedback that it is far too powerful and absolutely must be toned down. Holy crap.

Given that the army lacks long range firepower and much in the way of heavy weapons in general, and that they dont have plasma guns, lascannons, etc, that hardly seems busted, particularly given that otherwise the Storm bolter as a squad special weapon is rather underwhelming. There's also only one unit that can take enough storm bolters to really make someone care, and thats Dominions, a nontroop T3 infantry unit.

I would wait and see how the rest of the list looks before freaking out about it.

I don't think the re-rolls will be a problem...

If you're making an army around Acts of Faith, you will be walking and hanging out with your Canonesses.



That said; almost all of this is going to fall flat on traditional mechanized sisters armies; who are probably going to ditch the faith support and count on Immolators and Repressors and souped-in knights and guards.

20 shots max at 12" per shooting phase requiring 1CP, hitting on 3, wounding at least on 4 (against target worth the AP-2 Damage 2).
Not sure imperial soup is going to change stuff around to allow picking that.

Edit : It's a good strat, it's not earth shattering.

Well with what they've shown so far I can confidently say the new sisters are somewhere between awesome and utterly crap. Still missing some fairly critical bits of information to see which way they've fallen.

dhallnet wrote:
20 shots max at 12" per shooting phase requiring 1CP, hitting on 3, wounding at least on 4 (against target worth the AP-2 Damage 2).
Not sure imperial soup is going to change stuff around to allow picking that.

Edit : It's a good strat, it's not earth shattering.

Double tap them with an Act of Faith, for 40. And use it on a squad of 20 BSS with 3 Storm Bolters, for 92 shots! Yikes!

That said; "remove that thing in particular" is pretty common, so I don't think the strategem is particularly egregious. It's just a lot better than the GK version; which I don't think is a useful complaint, because we know the GK one is really bad.

 Marmatag wrote:
I'll just soup them in with my Ultramarines, for example. Bobby G gives them rerolls.

Everyone has 180 points for the Loyal 32. Pay a little more for something far, far better.

And i will bet money sisters get new models or units with the codex, and aura based rerolls.

You're not listening.

Stormbolters and the other guns SoB use are a 12" Range and are on a unit with scout. We have character with rerolls, we just can't use them because they can't keep up with dominions SCOUT MOVES.

Your BobbyG idea is STUPID because, again, 12" range is necessary to get more than 10 Shots out of the Stormbolters. You won't be able to castle AND you'll be wasting your scout move.

Even if you bring BSS, you have to bring 6+ Units to have any survive long enough to close down on your opponent and they only get 3 stormbolters.

You really should play with/against the army before you start making up combos that don't work.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

dhallnet wrote:
20 shots max at 12" per shooting phase requiring 1CP, hitting on 3, wounding at least on 4 (against target worth the AP-2 Damage 2).
Not sure imperial soup is going to change stuff around to allow picking that.

Edit : It's a good strat, it's not earth shattering.

Double tap them with an Act of Faith, for 40. And use it on a squad of 20 BSS with 3 Storm Bolters, for 92 shots! Yikes!

That said; "remove that thing in particular" is pretty common, so I don't think the strategem is particularly egregious. It's just a lot better than the GK version; which I don't think is a useful complaint, because we know the GK one is really bad.

SoB can only go up into squads of 10 as of right now and only the shots from the stormbolters would even matter. No one cares about regular bolter shots.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I don't think the re-rolls will be a problem...

If you're making an army around Acts of Faith, you will be walking and hanging out with your Canonesses.



That said; almost all of this is going to fall flat on traditional mechanized sisters armies; who are probably going to ditch the faith support and count on Immolators and Repressors and souped-in knights and guards.

They matter for the Stormbolter strat. Dominions on foot will never be good, even in an infantry spam list. Too obvious of a target, don't have ObSec. Regular BSS with the strat are w/e. They'll usually die before they hit 12" regardless.

dhallnet wrote:
20 shots max at 12" per shooting phase requiring 1CP, hitting on 3, wounding at least on 4 (against target worth the AP-2 Damage 2).
Not sure imperial soup is going to change stuff around to allow picking that.

Edit : It's a good strat, it's not earth shattering.

I don't think it will be that devastating at a competitive level - although with as yet unknown combinations of warlord traits, relics, other stratagems, acts of faith and order benefits it certainly could be. (Indeed I'd be amazed if Sisters are released entire "as is" rather than with new units, so this whole "dominions only have 5 stormbolters nah nah nah" may prove a red herring.

What it definitely does do however is put another nail through Primaris. Just the -2 AP would seem a potentially useful buff, why made it do 2 damage as well?

Also, that strategem doesn't have any good targets.

We can laugh at the potential damage, but there's nothing to shoot at to maximize that. It's basically good for ripping up Guardsmen, because despite the bonus damage, Storm Bolters still don't work on Knights.

Oddly, it's most useful against a mirror match. Space Marines are too infantry-light to make it worthwhile; Orks don't have saves or wounds to make it worthwhile, and it doesn't actually work on big tanks. It will work on DEldar tanks.

 Quickjager wrote:
Lol, I'm actually salty about the blessed bolts strat. Only 1 CP huh?

lol in deed. Still 1cp is a good stratagem am happy for sob players.

2) 10 Storm Bolter squads are literally impossible. Dominions can have exactly 5, and that's the most we'll have in a squad. Meanwhile, GK can have 10. If we could have 10 Storm Bolter squads, I'd agree with you.

We almost never run 10man squads though. They cost too much.

ERJAK wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
That stratagem looks ridiculous OP when you remember that there exist CP batteries.

SoB ARE a CP battery. Our battalion is only like 45pts more expensive than the loyal 32 and is A LOT more useful. As much as I don't like the AoF changes, the Strats are great.

I might have to give that a try. I have a friend with a Sisters army she currently isn't using very much because she currently prefers Chaos Marines. Though if the beta codex is any good, she may go back to playing her Sisters for a while.