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An IK or any superheavy for that matter. They have no place in a regular game and there inclusion is a large part why the game is so out of whack right now in regards to scale.

Never gonna have Guard. They just aren't sci-fi or fantasy enough for me. I'm an escapist, so why would I want to play regular humans in a world where I could play the super humans or "above human" aliens?

Also Dark Reapers. I don't care how "OP" they are right now, they aren't plastic (strike 1) they are a slow unit compared to the lightning fast other units (strike 2) and everyone complains about them (strike 3).
Even before they were the OP hotness they are now, every time I toyed with the idea of converting my own plastic versions of them, I just keep getting put off by them NOT having 12" or more movement.

Keep in mind that even since 4th ed, I've played fast, mostly Jetbike Eldar. The ONLY reason I have Rangers/Gaurdians in my list right now is because GW decided to take away my WR Troops choice. So I need Infantry for a Battalion (not bitter)
But I have often run lists over the years in which no unit had a movement less than 12".
Dark Reapers, even in a Serpent, just grate against my personal theme, so them being "OP" and not plastic pretty much cement them as a unit I don't ever want.

Reaper Launchers on my Autarch Skyrunners are an almost auto-include, however

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Pretty much anything metal. Granted, I know that only the really old 40K models that have had no new sculpts in a decade or two (or three) still have metal in them. And, while I absolutely LOVE the Sisters' Exorcist tank, I just will not deal with anything with metal on it (really don't want to have to deal with pinning them, dealing with paint issues on metal, etc.).

Now, I will admit that I do have like three vehicles from Flames of War that have some metal parts. But, that's pretty much what turned me off to anything metal. Thankfully, the vast majority of new stuff coming from FoW is plastic or a mixture of plastic and resin (both of which I can deal with... though I prefer plastic over resin).

My aversion to having to deal with metal models has kept me away from playing several other tabletop miniature games that honestly look like they might be a lot of fun: Warmachine, Warmachine Hordes, Infinity, Cruel Seas, and I'm sure many others. It's a shame that Privateer Press seemed to be heading down the plastic path in the last few years only to seemingly just stop recasting their metal models in plastic or resculpting them in plastic.

While I know that, for smaller companies, casting in metal is cheaper than other materials, it doesn't make sense for GW to be casting anything in metal anymore.

SG

 Skinnereal wrote:

 H wrote:
Anything made of resin by Games Workshop.

I made the mistake of buying some of the Necron characters way back in the day (when they came out). After taking a pretty long break from the hobby, I am trying to build them now and they are awful. Brittle, bent all sorts of ways but the right one, and full of surface issues. I can't believe I spent money on these things.

We all know of the Finecast debacle.
Eldar Aspect Warriors are ebay-only for me now, as I have had too many disastrous space marines or Eldar minis. Holes in cloaks, bubbles in prominent places, bending staves and weapons, and on it goes. I will never buy Finecast again.

Yeah, when the Harlequin codex came out I bought the last box of old sculpt finecast clowns from my store, figuring hey, these are going out of print, might as well grab the poses.

They have all but disintegrated over 3 years. the ribbons they stand on have all snapped and I've had to rebase, their swords have curled into themselves, and bits of them just casually chip off as they crumble to dust.

The fact I spent money on them is one of the biggest insults I've had in my time in this hobby.

I play a Slaanesh soup, so anything God-aligned that isn't Slaanesh is right out.

For my R&H I will never stoop to Taurox.

Re Heretic Astartes, no (official) Obliterators or Mutilators, no Heldrakes, none of the Special Characters (except Lucius) and NO GODDAMN CULTISTS.

Re Daemons, no Furies.

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when the Harlequin codex came out I bought the last box of old sculpt finecast clowns from my store, figuring hey, these are going out of print, might as well grab the poses.

They have all but disintegrated over 3 years. the ribbons they stand on have all snapped and I've had to rebase, their swords have curled into themselves, and bits of them just casually chip off as they crumble to dust.

The fact I spent money on them is one of the biggest insults I've had in my time in this hobby.

Yeah, I had another Necron Lord that I built when it first came out and that thing is utterly destroyed. The arm broke, the staff broke, the dangly bits broke. A total piece of junk,

I have a Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets too, but that seems much less junky. It just happened to take an unfortunate tumble in a long distance move and is now in pieces again. But that damn sword..well, I don't think it will ever be straight. When I get around to putting it back together, I'd likely just try to find a replacement that is plastic or metal.

I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

I replaced Zarakynel's sword with a whip as Her sword was already beyond repair straight out of the box.

There's pics in my Gallery (Project Marzanna) or my plog, if you want to see how it shakes out.

I guess the models I'll never own for my armies would be:

Craftworlds: I'm probably never going to pick up Shining Spears due to the fact they discontinued the upgrade pack and rammed the price up on old models. I'd much rather make my own. Same goes for Storm Guardians, I don't like them as a unit or how cheap they are in terms of Eldar infantry.

Tyranids: I think there are too many of the new models that I don't like to ever see owning, so much that I don't think I'll ever play Nids again.

Dark Eldar: Dislike Hellions immensely, purely based on the fact I disliked painting Wyches, and they're Wyches on hoverboards.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I replaced Zarakynel's sword with a whip as Her sword was already beyond repair straight out of the box.

There's pics in my Gallery (Project Marzanna) or my plog, if you want to see how it shakes out.

I'll check that out, thanks. I'm kind of partial to the idea of her having a sword of some kind, but by the time I get around to that army, I might well have changed my mind.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
I'm going to answer in the context of "For armies I already collect"

Adeptus Mechanicus
Ironstriders/Dragoons. They are cash expensive but points cheap, look horrendous to build and paint, and you really need about 4 of them to make it worth buying one. I just can't see myself spending £120 on 4 models that I wouldn't enjoy building, even if they would massively improve my army.

Space Marines
Centurions. What is this I dont even

Imperial Guard
Hmmm... much harder to answer... I would have said the super ugly Taurox, but I converted one to have wheels and I'm happy with it now.
Oh yes... Ogryns! Not a fan of those at all. Again, would be mega helpful to my army but you've gotta love the models first, right?

I'll tell you this as someone who is constantly adding to his goonsquad because they're so much fun in game - dragoons are actually quite enjoyable to build and paint. much, MUCH easier than an onager. Also, if you play other imperial armies, the kit comes with top notch bits if you build it as a Sydonian Dragoon - Lascannons and Autocannons that don't look hideously goofy when fired by imperial guardsmen and allow you to make excellent looking HWTs, hydras, or marine dreadnought arms. When it comes to posing you can easily clip the tubes that lock its legs into one position and repose him, and he's got an open stance so there's no need for subassemblies if that's not your jam.

Love the dragoon. I will most likely end up with a fourth despite 3 being really all I need.

Yeah this, really. Plus, I didn't really find the Onager difficult aside from the railing and steps/handles. I mean, you CAN make it difficult if you want by magnetizing all the weapons (which I did and it's a pain).

As for models I'd never own, I think almost all of the Custodes. They all have soooo much going on in their models that they lose their silhouette. They just look like blobs of gold with spear tips and ponytails sticking out the top. There is such a thing as too much!

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I guess the models I'll never own for my armies would be:

Craftworlds: I'm probably never going to pick up Shining Spears due to the fact they discontinued the upgrade pack and rammed the price up on old models. I'd much rather make my own. Same goes for Storm Guardians, I don't like them as a unit or how cheap they are in terms of Eldar infantry.

Yep, those would be the ones I would pick as well. Shining Spears have the double drawback of being both on the older jetbikes and with finecast riders.

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I refuse to buy finecast if it's a model that used to be available in metal - I'd rather trawl eBay for as long as it takes to buy the metal version. The only finecast I'd consider buying would be things that had never been metal, and I would need to really want them to get over my dislike of the material. Like for example, I could see myself buying the finecast Spiritseer out of my Eldar psyker completionism, given that I've got pretty much all of the metal ones.

From the armies I collect there's not really many models I dislike enough aesthetically to not want to buy. Even in most other armies I like most of the options. Some of the ones that I do dislike would be everything in the Space Wolf range that overdoes the wolfiness (Thunderwolves, Wulfen, Santa Grimnar), the Admech electro-priests and most of the generic CSM stuff that's basically like the loyalists with added spikes.

 Skinnereal wrote:
We all know of the Finecast debacle.
Eldar Aspect Warriors are ebay-only for me now, as I have had too many disastrous space marines or Eldar minis. Holes in cloaks, bubbles in prominent places, bending staves and weapons, and on it goes. I will never buy Finecast again.

Yeah, I never bought any, won't bother. Not that I don't already own an excess of metal minis.

In general i avoid finecast, except for the occasional named character.

Other than that? Imperial Guard, and Tau. Horrible factions and have yet to have a good experience with anyone who plays either.

 H wrote:
I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

I own a vast amount of metal figures, and I find they are the best for monopart infantry. Solid and well-detailed, I really like how they look and play on the tabletop.

The multi-part stuff gets to be a problem, because the inherent warping makes it so that surfaces never really line up just so. It's a lot of work to get a clean, strong joint. Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 H wrote:
I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

I own a vast amount of metal figures, and I find they are the best for monopart infantry. Solid and well-detailed, I really like how they look and play on the tabletop.

The multi-part stuff gets to be a problem, because the inherent warping makes it so that surfaces never really line up just so. It's a lot of work to get a clean, strong joint. Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

yea. the metal Kasrkin are great to work with, as long as you don't want to convert it. My metal Venerable Dreadnought though.... that thing is great if I suddenly have to defend myself, I can put it in a sock and beat someone to death with it.

Never is a strong word, but I don't see me ever adding a Chaos Predator to my collection. They are way too expensive, and I don't check second-hand markets nearly often enough to stumble across one. Besides that, I don't like aesthetics of them at all. I could tolerate the Rhino as it is basically an APC. However, the Predator is too much of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle and not enough MBT.

Older resin models. I own the terminator version of Calgar, sicarius, a resin brother captain, and the honour guard for Calgar, which had their mold totally messed up.

Most likely Ingold of Gondor from Forgeworld, as I do not want the two models that come with him, and he can't be bought alone.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I own a vast amount of metal figures, and I find they are the best for monopart infantry. Solid and well-detailed, I really like how they look and play on the tabletop.

The multi-part stuff gets to be a problem, because the inherent warping makes it so that surfaces never really line up just so. It's a lot of work to get a clean, strong joint. Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Well, if there is ever a choice, my choice would always be plastic, no doubt. Every time, no exceptions.

It does take a great deal more work to put together multi-part metals and indeed sometimes the joints are just terrible. But I'd still rather that then brittle, warped resin parts (where sometimes the joins are also bad). Granted, I am biased. I learned how to put together and minorly convert metals, so to me, it isn't a big deal. Good glue, green stuff and good deal of patience generally solved those issues. But my experience in resin is far worse. It's nearly impossible to fix brittle, broken or dissolving resin, to my limited knowledge. And it seems that sometimes it isn't even possible to fix some warping issues.

Maybe I'll change my mind on resin when I finally get around to putting together the big Ultraforge demons I bought years ago. That resin feels light-years better than GW stuff, even just in the package. Although maybe it is a horror to work with too, I don't know. It does seem to dry fit pretty well and it not at all warped, plus does not seem to have any surface issues.

What I do know though, is that despite the fact I am interested in adding Nemesor Zahndrekh and Vargard Obyron to my Necrons, there is absolutely no chance I am spending money on Games Workshop resin.

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

The Plagueburst Crawler. It looks far too uniform- like it came off a production line. No, this is a Daemon Engine and should be represented as such. That's why I built 2 of my own.

Mortarion. He should not exist. Simple as. Ignoring the whole "Primarchs shouldn't have 40k rules" anyway, Morty is the most egregious offender to me as he was specifically called out as having never left the Plague Planet (and also giving Typhus his raison d'etre). Then Mat Ward retconned it in the 5th ed GK codex and fethed everything up...

Typhus. Awful pose and completely out of character and inferior to the original pose. Made my own too.

TWC. Awful models. Got some years ago from Masq minis, which are now sadly OOP.

The newer Logan Grimnar. Crap model (not even taking into account of the Santa sleigh). I'll keep the old one TVM...




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 fraser1191 wrote:

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

He's talking about the metal Thunderhawk.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Got some years ago

 fraser1191 wrote:

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

He's talking about the metal Thunderhawk.

Woah, I'm gonna have to look that up

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Got some years ago

 fraser1191 wrote:

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

He's talking about the metal Thunderhawk.

Woah, I'm gonna have to look that up

It's from 1997, tail end of 2e. It's a bit smaller than the resin FW kit. It's all white metal, weighs a ton, requires some serious pinning, & sometimes gap filling (mine did anyways). And it was stupidly expensive at the time.
Once FW came out with the resin one the prices dipped for awhile & I snagged one {fairly} cheap. But it's been ages since I last saw one for sale.

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

Indeed. But moreso than anything else I'd seen at the time. Entirely made of white metal, no piece larger than 2" square - it's obscenely more complicated than anything else I can think of.

I would have said...

Orgyns, but I have one that was given to me, that never sees the light of day.
or

Terminators, but again, I have ten that inherited from my Space Wolves' previous owner.
or
....

I don't really know, because I actually have quite a few models I theoretically don't like, so I'll go outside the armies I play and just say Wraithknights. They're Eldar so I already don't like their aesthetic, they're large so I'm unlikely to buy one to supply parts for another model, and they're expensive.

Wraithknight.
Any Ynnari idiocy though some models are ok.
New cartoon ork stuff though i waited for cool buggies for 20 years.
Anything Ao$. Stormcaste eternally no. Never. Yuck.

Space marines.

Never will i ever sully my existence with anything from their line. I have a friend who i getting out of 40k with a whole dark angel army. He has offered it for free- already painted and hes a good painter. Will not accept them.
Mind you he offers because he knows i wont take them.

Metal sisters of battle from GW. 200 bucks for 10 jump pack girls. Tell 'im hes dreamin.

Probably that giant expensive titan model that costs over like 2k lol.

Hmm. I'll narrow it to armies I play:

Death Guard: Well, I like almost everything. I would pass on Lord Felthius and his understrength Terminators though.

Orkz: Flash Gitz. Probably a fun kit to build, but... I have enough expensive shooty boyz with lootaz. I also had a miserable time assembling Ork Warbikers.

CSM: Lord of Skulls. Its probably the fact that hes holding the axe in his hand. Way too Power Rangers manga toy for me. If he gets knocked out does this giant heavy 15 foot axe fall to the floor? Chainsaw hands would have been better.

SM: Lots. I wouldn't get any old SM units. I'm all about Primaris. OOO YEA! Drink the Cawl-aid!

Daemons: Probably skip on all the Greater Daemons, gorgeous as they are. My uber unit would either be a proper Tank or a flyer.