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Hope that the tiles are 1x1 and they're more of them, but wishful thinking.

They should look cool either way.
   
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Excited for this now that it's effectively confirmed. And if it's on the same boat as the Mawpot, it should be out soon.

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In the French forum, a person confirms that there will be zone mortalis, floors and bases.

And the walls?
   
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May be a case of Space Hulk corridor construction rather than fixed 1x1 base plates?
   
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That would be a shame. But GW do IMO have previous form with there bafflingly 2d realm of battle boards.
   
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I think the bigger question is...who will have the cash to make a Zone Mortalis board with the new GW pricing methods? Since it's being done third party, will they actually try to make a competitive price point, or will we be looking at $150 per square foot, etc. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine the cost of a full modular plastic tabletop from a company like GW. The price could and likely will be catastrophic.

 
   
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 Elbows wrote:
I think the bigger question is...who will have the cash to make a Zone Mortalis board with the new GW pricing methods? Since it's being done third party, will they actually try to make a competitive price point, or will we be looking at $150 per square foot, etc. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine the cost of a full modular plastic tabletop from a company like GW. The price could and likely will be catastrophic.


Agreed. They can't even charge a sane price even if they can easily afford to, because that would reveal how much they overcharge for a few grams of plastic normally

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So would the zone mortalis tiles be usable for:

-Necromunda
-30K
-40K

?

Because if so, that's awesome, but I do fear that you'll end up paying through the nose just for the 'added utility' of something usable in that many systems. As others have said, price is a huge point here...

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My main concern is if they have missed the point entirely as usual and there just 2d floor tiles with no walls which is pretty pointless as zone mortalis.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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I'm surprised we've not had the usual 'pants down' Warhammer Community showing off at this stage.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm surprised we've not had the usual 'pants down' Warhammer Community showing off at this stage.


They generally only do that for leaks with pictures. Otherwise they'd have to confirm every random text rumour on the Internet.

There's a Spiel preview this week (last year this covered Underworlds & Blood Bowl) and a WHW preview at the end of November, so I guess it's scheduled for one of those.
   
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Spiel, hopefully.

Wanna sees it!

As for the cost? Gents, don't forget this was originally a FW product - seemingly one that sold well enough to transition to plastic. One suspects costs won't put sufficient peeps off.

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...needs walls though.

Has to have walls, right?
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

If it doesn't have walls, there's little reason to buy it when there are cheap MDF and free 3D printable alternatives out there(sure, cost of printer, but these days that would be less than the cost of a table's worth of GW plastic - perhaps substantially less if the RoB tiles are any indication of what we can expect to pay for these - and you end up with a 3D printer).

I can see them releasing the tiles and walls in separate boxes, people's perception of price is shockingly easy to manipulate in that sort of way.

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It could just be walls, and a card base. That'd certainly keep the cost down whilst still getting the same effect. Maybe even designed to the interior walls for the Ryza ruins set.

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In the export of China it is specified (plastic) zone mortalis floors.
and it doesn't make much sense to sell floors without walls ..So..:
-the walls were sent long ago.
-the walls have been manufactured in England for being more detailed.
-the walls come in a new box for necromunda.

we will have to wait a little longer :(


I hope the walls are narrower than those of FW, or at least that they are 2 hollow pieces inside that come together to form the wall on both sides

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or (sadly) they've got fed up replacing large warped resin tiles all the time, and plastic tiles is all we're getting with everything else staying FW and resin

(not terribly likely, but certainly possible)

 
   
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As excited as I am for plastic ZM tiles, I just don't see the price point being all that great. For what GW typically prices terrain at it'd end up at $50-60 a tile for 2-3 wall sprues and the floor piece. These could easily end up pricier than the FW ones.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
or (sadly) they've got fed up replacing large warped resin tiles all the time, and plastic tiles is all we're getting with everything else staying FW and resin

(not terribly likely, but certainly possible)


But that means no walls, the FW tiles were all in one piece. Only the blast doors and a few accessory bits were available separately.

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I suspect that was more a resin limitation?

Splitting each FW equivalent tile into four quarters, with plug/glue in walls could work neatly, plastic being less susceptible to warping.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
or (sadly) they've got fed up replacing large warped resin tiles all the time, and plastic tiles is all we're getting with everything else staying FW and resin

(not terribly likely, but certainly possible)
If theyre selling plastic floors theyre not going to be able to keep up with demand by having resin walls and doors from FW. If they have the floors its all but certain theyll have plastic walls and doors as well

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I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
 
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I suspect that was more a resin limitation?

Splitting each FW equivalent tile into four quarters, with plug/glue in walls could work neatly, plastic being less susceptible to warping.



That's certainly well within GW's capabilities. And I reckon a FW sized section could be designed to use about the same amount of plastic as there existing building sets.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I suspect that was more a resin limitation?

Splitting each FW equivalent tile into four quarters, with plug/glue in walls could work neatly, plastic being less susceptible to warping.


Unless I misread Orlando's point, they were thinking the old style was walls & floors and GW might just replace the floors, but the tiles were a single piece so if GW only do replacement floors, there won't be any walls at all, was what I was saying.

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I'm not sure how on-board I'd be with these.

Everyone knows my obsession with terrain, but one clear exception to that obsession are GW's Realm of Battle Boards. I hate all of them, and would find it awful if this plastic Zone Mortalis is in any way similar to them (including the ludicrous price).

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not sure how on-board I'd be with these.

Everyone knows my obsession with terrain, but one clear exception to that obsession are GW's Realm of Battle Boards. I hate all of them, and would find it awful if this plastic Zone Mortalis is in any way similar to them (including the ludicrous price).


Out of curiosity, what specifically is it about the RoB boards that you dislike (price aside, obviously)? I have the original board and it’s fine, but I have one tile the Sector Imperialis board and it may work as a display board, but I’ve always hated to try and play anything on that one.


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I hate moulded boards - anything with a level of permanency.

If you have a RoB board, you have that blasted hill. That hill will always be that hill, and no matter how you arrange the tiles you will always have this hill that cannot be changed, moved or altered in any way. It's so limiting. As for the 40k RoB, it is a disaster of design, with so many clashing elements that it looks like someone threw up all over it after eating lots of various Imperial-esque masonary.

And finally the price. They're so expensive for what they are, and you don't even have any terrain once you've bought one. You need to get more to make it work... and that hill. You can never get rid of that hill.

The best type of table is completely flat and featureless. That is the blank canvas across which you can make all sorts of amazing tables. Various type of mats can give you a great base to work on, and you move up from there. You're never limited to making it work with the weird concrete slap city streets of the 40K RoB, or that fething hill on the standard RoB.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hate moulded boards - anything with a level of permanency.

If you have a RoB board, you have that blasted hill. That hill will always be that hill, and no matter how you arrange the tiles you will always have this hill that cannot be changed, moved or altered in any way. It's so limiting. As for the 40k RoB, it is a disaster of design, with so many clashing elements that it looks like someone threw up all over it after eating lots of various Imperial-esque masonary.

And finally the price. They're so expensive for what they are, and you don't even have any terrain once you've bought one. You need to get more to make it work... and that hill. You can never get rid of that hill.

The best type of table is completely flat and featureless. That is the blank canvas across which you can make all sorts of amazing tables. Various type of mats can give you a great base to work on, and you move up from there. You're never limited to making it work with the weird concrete slap city streets of the 40K RoB, or that fething hill on the standard RoB.

Assuming a plastic ZM board were just the FW ones with separate walls, that's pretty much what I'd hope for. That sort of level of permanence you're talking about, where the tiles have the walls attached, is what make them frustrating to store.

I'm looking forward to anything like a plastic ZM board to build out and convert my own additional tiles or to just use the tiles as the floors for much larger buildings.

As an aside, I think people who already own ZM boards should probably worry about cross compatibility. I just don't see GW making plastic tiles with the same thickness.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hate moulded boards - anything with a level of permanency.

If you have a RoB board, you have that blasted hill. That hill will always be that hill, and no matter how you arrange the tiles you will always have this hill that cannot be changed, moved or altered in any way. It's so limiting. As for the 40k RoB, it is a disaster of design, with so many clashing elements that it looks like someone threw up all over it after eating lots of various Imperial-esque masonary.

And finally the price. They're so expensive for what they are, and you don't even have any terrain once you've bought one. You need to get more to make it work... and that hill. You can never get rid of that hill.

The best type of table is completely flat and featureless. That is the blank canvas across which you can make all sorts of amazing tables. Various type of mats can give you a great base to work on, and you move up from there. You're never limited to making it work with the weird concrete slap city streets of the 40K RoB, or that fething hill on the standard RoB.



Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I basically only ever pull out my RoB when I'm playing Fantasy, and the ability to have the hill in the center, off to the side or at 4 different corners is pretty cool since I like hill terrain anyway.

We are 100% agreed on the price of the boards and the Sector Imperialis board. I've attempted to play exactly one game on a Sector Imperialis board, and it was ridiculous. Half the dice where cocked at every roll thanks to those darn gutters, and none of the miniatures would sit flush with the board, causing more than a fair share of WMS. They can keep that one...

I will say that for 90% of games I agree that a battlemat and a good selection of terrain will set you right, but I have always enjoyed playing on the occasional fixed, thematic tables like the siege tables we used to see in White Dwarf and the Fantasy Tables we used to see in the rulebooks. Problem is that you can only play on a 100% fixed table so many ways, so you're right in that for just about every situation a modular tabletop is better for gaming.

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That's the other issue with fixed terrain.

The old Sydney city store used to have this fantastic looking table that was sort of set in a canyon, but a wide canyon so you could actually play a game in there. It was great... but it was always that canyon. The same walls were in the same place every time.

It's also the reason why I never like it when people try to do trenches, because trenches are meant to sink into the ground, not rise up, have a trench, and then go back down. It's why I like GW's Wall of Martyrs terrain, as it was never designed to be a "trench" system, but a raised protective battlement system which makes far more sense.

The thought of super-expensive fixed Zone Mortalis tiles don't interest me, despite my love of tiles (I own three sets of basic box Necromunda tiles and two sets of Bad Zone Delta - I can plaster more than a 6x4 with them if I wanted to). But I'll always prefer this to something like what FW made as I can move it around as much as I like (and it's easier to store). GW could surprise us and make a modular system out of plastic, but then again the price will likely be astronomical (single GW buildings these days cost as much as the Imperial Sector box did back in the day, which is stupid).

I have a lot of thoughts of terrain as it is the single thing I like the most about this hobby. I adore building terrain and making great looking boards. For about 3 out of the past 6 weekends we've been playing Black Crusade and I've been bringing mats, maps, tiles and terrain to make things more immersive. I live for the stuff.

And that RoB has that damned hill...



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I hated the RoB the second I rolled dice on them. Holy fething racket. It'd be easier to have a dice tray on the side, but the local GW doesn't have any room - the tables are 100% RoB boards. Playing a game on them is absolutely obnoxious.

 
   
 
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