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mrFickle wrote:

 Slayer6 wrote:
Men of Iron.

The men of iron were defeated

They also crippled humanity at its peak in the process.

And the men of iron are represented on the tabletop in UR-025

mrFickle wrote:

 Slayer6 wrote:
Men of Iron.

The men of iron were defeated

and they have representation on the table top(albeit one model in a specialist game).

But pedant none the less.

More importantly men of iron can be played on the tabletopp by blackstone fortress.

of course its the egg and spoon race on the exodite worlds

them mummy dinos get a tad grumpy if you play silly elfs with their babies

The laer or the megaracknids

 ArbitorIan wrote:
Squats. All those bikes and trikes driving at high speeds over rough terrain. Sounds pretty dangerous to me,

If you played EPIC, back in the day, the artillery... yikes.

mrFickle wrote:
Megarachnids

Definitely these guys

Recklessfable wrote:

 ArbitorIan wrote:
Squats. All those bikes and trikes driving at high speeds over rough terrain. Sounds pretty dangerous to me,

If you played EPIC, back in the day, the artillery... yikes.

Cyclops ftw!!

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Megarachnids

Definitely these guys

Weren't they only on one world, and completely wiped out as a species by close quarters combat techniques? A couple of broadside salvoes would have ended them as a threat without the loss of a single Space Marine if Horus hadn't needed to invade their planet for reasons.

My guess is Rangdan. The war against them apparently was the largest conflict the imperium has had until the heresy and they were only stopped by the Emperor himself by using the Labyrinth of Night - whatever this might imply.

It also has to be added that during this time the imperium still had 18-20 legions, 18-20 primarchs and the Emperor himself. If the Rangdan would somehow have returned post heresy guess this would have ended different.

Little is written about the Rangdan. They seem to be connected to the Slaugth, their slaves, masters, allies or identical to them.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Megarachnids

Definitely these guys

Weren't they only on one world, and completely wiped out as a species by close quarters combat techniques? A couple of broadside salvoes would have ended them as a threat without the loss of a single Space Marine if Horus hadn't needed to invade their planet for reasons.

No they were found on a prison planet but they never wiped them all out as the human empire that trapped them appeared and the crusade went after them instead

So...they were already imprisoned on one planet that could have been bombarded with macrocannon rather than squishy space marines?

Enslavers and Rangdan are definitely up there. I would wager that there are tons of species living on planets stuck in warp storms that could decimate whole armies.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So...they were already imprisoned on one planet that could have been bombarded with macrocannon rather than squishy space marines?

They were a space faring race before they were imprisoned so there could of been more off planet somewhere. The imperium never returned to murder to finish the job so they were not killed by the crusade

Hmmmm... I considered another contender, although it might be a bit of a loophole. Do any C'tan that is free roaming (either in a body or free floating) have any rules in the game? Since new necrons we only have had shards or inprisoned in some way.

They might not be so dangerush seeing as they are inn lookdown. But even the necrons could not kill them, only look then away. They are just one prison break away.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Recklessfable wrote:

 ArbitorIan wrote:
Squats. All those bikes and trikes driving at high speeds over rough terrain. Sounds pretty dangerous to me,

If you played EPIC, back in the day, the artillery... yikes.

Cyclops ftw!!

Yes, very true!

And the Land Train with Rad missile !

Define dangerous? If were going with strongest overall that would certainly be wither the Rak Gol or the Qorl both of which likely have hundreds of worlds if not thosuands. In terms of how dangerous indivual members are that would either the the Slough or the Yuvath.

Enslavers
They basically killed off the old ones and put the ctan into hibernation...

Laer, megaarchanids, men of iron, Rangdan, yuvath were all defeated

Slaugth is also a choice but however they are very few in number as far as we know.
Rak’Gol and Q’Orl are a choice too and likely the current biggest threat lacks as much tech but we will see.
But I’ll go with enslavers they swarmed and killed off all life in the known universe and made the ctans hibernate because of it. No other race has come even remotely close to that.

That was retconned IIRC. The Necrons went to sleep because after the War in Heaven and rebellion against the C'Tan they didn't have the strength to fight anymore so they hid to recover their strength.

Basically if it's good lore from oldcrons chances are it's gone now.

The most toxic creatures in the galaxy — Catachan Barking Toads!

pm713 wrote:
That was retconned IIRC. The Necrons went to sleep because after the War in Heaven and rebellion against the C'Tan they didn't have the strength to fight anymore so they hid to recover their strength.

Basically if it's good lore from oldcrons chances are it's gone now.

This just proves that the most dangerous being for any faction in Warhammer is the Mat-Wa’ard or the Alien Mer’rit reaches.

pm713 wrote:
That was retconned IIRC. The Necrons went to sleep because after the War in Heaven and rebellion against the C'Tan they didn't have the strength to fight anymore so they hid to recover their strength.

Basically if it's good lore from oldcrons chances are it's gone now.

This story is unlikely part of the necron retcon. The enslavers plague never put the necron to sleep.
They decimated the old ones like a plague eating up all thier psychic servants. This is according to lore what decimated the old ones. Then the enslaver plague wiped out most of the sentient life in the galaxy.
whatever retcon story GW wants to implement is here...

Point is I don’t think the enslaver plague was retconned... and no other race has ever wiped out the galaxy as badly.
As much as big giant poison spider creatures are scary.. I think warp based mind controlling dimensional portal creating invisible psychic mind leeches are a bigger threat. Honestly i don’t know what killed off the enslaver plague other then they ran out of food... (which ironically is probably the only way to stop a full blown tyranid invasion)

I would argue the Tyranid hive mind(s)?

Obviously there is Tyranid representation on the tabletop, but as a species (and therefore a race) surely the hive minds are the most dangerous, and I hope we never see representation of the minds themselves.. We don't know how big and powerful they are- that's what makes them scary. The impending fear and danger of the unknown. They're coming at the galaxy from multiple different angles- could the galaxy itself be surrounded and eventually engulfed by the hive minds? I'd say that possibility is pretty damn dangerous.

Tyranids seem to originally take a lot of design influence from starship troopers.

Who knows if they are going with the “Brain bug” theme or with the queen bug theme. I’m actually surprised they never got into that lore yet.

The hive ships are the (closest physical representation we have to the) minds. Well, them and the Norn Queens, which are essentially biotitans fused into the hive ships.

But really, the whole point of a gestalt over-mind is that all the little live things are part of it. Each Tyranid form is like a cell in a greater organism, and the synapse creatures are essentially the nerves.

gungo wrote:
Tyranids seem to originally take a lot of design influence from starship troopers.

Who knows if they are going with the “Brain bug” theme or with the queen bug theme. I’m actually surprised they never got into that lore yet.

Nids take a lot of design from every where. Originally they came in the spacehulk game. And the first designs had really long backheads. Both very alien like. (As in Giger.)

I do not know where the ant like warriors or original tyrant got its look. (Ants?) But nids influensed Starcraft zerg. When 5th edition raveners came back you can see a lot of zerg hydras in the new raveners compared to the old. During 5th edition and up tyranids has a much more uniformed look. Most models are based in head, body and tail, with 6 limbs. Most early designs looked very different.

The original Starship troopersbook came in 1959 and could be a big influense. The movie came in 1997. SC1 came in 1998 and had the zerebrats there (brain zerg.) SC2 came in 2010, Zerg campain in 2013. At this point the two franchises 'borrow' a lot from each other. But trough is there is only so much designspace to take a telepathic swarm that can alter its constructs at will.

But influenses are all over the place. eXistenZe (1999) got that weard gun that could pass for tyranid. It again could influence later designs etc. On and on it goes.

But tyranids are represented on the tabletopp. It is hinted that the hivemind is a gestalt emergent property. Every tyranid is like a computer and the hivemind is the internett conecting them wirelessly. Or perhaps there is an evil entety called the hive mind. With GW, who knows.

The first Tyranid appearance was the mini pictured in the original Rogue Trader, and it is very much a space dinosaur. It’s even in their name: Tyranids, tyrannosaurus. The fluff for the RT era Tyranids stayed they had been space-going for so long (since the time of dinosaurs?) that they had adapted to shipboard life. Their hind legs were grasping paddles, allowing them to maneuver in zero-gee conditions, etc.. The RT Tyranids were presented in a way that owed more to 70’s era sci fi, like Niven, than to Starship Troopers.

Genestealers were completely unrelated to Tyranids in RT.

And lo and behold the mighty hand of god applied the white correction fluid, thusley they took up the pen of retcon and thus the very substance of the universe was changed. So says we all.

So says we all.

So there's that theory that the 'nids aren't so much invading our universe, as they are RUNNING form something in theirs. If that ends up being true, then I would say whatever race can make the 'Nids flee like that.

Also, another vote for Hrud here, although slough and Rak Gol are unfamiliar to me. Looks like I've got some research to do!