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Okay... So the Gorgon has been out for less then a year (Or maybe reintroduced for less then a year) with 40k rules, and doesn't make the book?

Very disappointed.

Imp guard tank destroyers. Have two of those beasts.... bugger.

Its a pass from me after all the bits they messed up with last FW indexes and had to FAQ or simply never fixed (Hades Breaching drills with Engineer squads not in book despite being sold together on FW, etc)

That and the fact with the way lockdowns are going I wont get a 3rd game in this year :-(

Warhound Titan 1500 pts pls. I could bring one model to a game

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does this thing have a price yet?

Guessing £25 if only based on the last index and their last few softbacks.

Necron codex is 30£. Good luck getting cheaper than that. More likely 35-40£ band.


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chaos45 wrote:
so an entire edition and an updated book for 9th edition and they still leave out a ton of 30k Forge world models that are still in-print.

What total garbage.

If they make the model still it should have current edition rules when they do an update. GW is such a trash company, glad i dont support their book printing rip offs and havent for years.

30k. 40k. You do know 40k imperium has lost lots of tech? 40k shouldn't be 30k+1. If anything 30k is where most of the units should be usable while 40k has smaller amount.

30k is now 2 rules editions behind....

Sorry 7th is such a step back, I havent found anyone to play a 7th edition game since 8th editions launched and thats living in 4 different cities in 2 different countries....

This type of rules writing by GW is basically saying okay buy our stuff but just know we have no plans to support all of our products going forward so it might just be good to set on a shelf and become worthless for what you bought it for which is to play a game.

Says alot.

30K, like Necromunda, etc.. a different game based more or less based on rules from a different edition of 40K?

There's no more necessity to have everything in 30K have rules for 40K than there is to have everything in Necromunda or Kill Team or Blackstone have rules for 40K. Or have rules for Blood Bowl stuff to use in Age of Sigmar, or whatever.

If they get around to it, cool, but that stuff is always more of a bonus to use outside of the game these models are intended for.

If anything, I'd prefer if they kept the 40K-rules-for-30K-models such as the Custodes Tanks and Relic Dreads, etc.. more low key like rules for Gellerpox Infected, etc.. They should be usable for fans of the models, but should ideally be a tier below the actual 40K stuff and not warp the 40K meta in ways that some of these FW models have done in the past.

chaos45 wrote:
30k is now 2 rules editions behind....

Sorry 7th is such a step back, I havent found anyone to play a 7th edition game since 8th editions launched and thats living in 4 different cities in 2 different countries....

This type of rules writing by GW is basically saying okay buy our stuff but just know we have no plans to support all of our products going forward so it might just be good to set on a shelf and become worthless for what you bought it for which is to play a game.

Says alot.

depends, core 7th from GW was a clusterfeth,
30 k is however based on 7th but a lot less rubbish and handled better, making it actually pretty good working.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
30K, like Necromunda, etc.. a different game based more or less based on rules from a different edition of 40K?

There's no more necessity to have everything in 30K have rules for 40K than there is to have everything in Necromunda or Kill Team or Blackstone have rules for 40K. Or have rules for Blood Bowl stuff to use in Age of Sigmar, or whatever.

If they get around to it, cool, but that stuff is always more of a bonus to use outside of the game these models are intended for.

If anything, I'd prefer if they kept the 40K-rules-for-30K-models such as the Custodes Tanks and Relic Dreads, etc.. more low key like rules for Gellerpox Infected, etc.. They should be usable for fans of the models, but should ideally be a tier below the actual 40K stuff and not warp the 40K meta in ways that some of these FW models have done in the past.

Name some of those fw units that "warped the meta" and explain how they did it, and how it was worse than stuff like Castellans, smash captains, Eldar flyers etc.. of course people play fw units because their fans of them. That's why most people play any model or faction. Only the most WAAC players would ever play a unit that they hate. Fw units are important to some factions. Custodes would barely have an army without fw.

chaos45 wrote:
30k is now 2 rules editions behind....

Sorry 7th is such a step back, I havent found anyone to play a 7th edition game since 8th editions launched and thats living in 4 different cities in 2 different countries....

This type of rules writing by GW is basically saying okay buy our stuff but just know we have no plans to support all of our products going forward so it might just be good to set on a shelf and become worthless for what you bought it for which is to play a game.

Says alot.

So? 30k stays in more logical, better and more balanced system. Good for them.

I've come to the conclusion that you don't actually buy GW rules but rather pay for a one to two year license to use them. It's basically a printed equivalent of DLC that unlocks something already on the disc. Genius!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
30K, like Necromunda, etc.. a different game based more or less based on rules from a different edition of 40K?

There's no more necessity to have everything in 30K have rules for 40K than there is to have everything in Necromunda or Kill Team or Blackstone have rules for 40K. Or have rules for Blood Bowl stuff to use in Age of Sigmar, or whatever.

If they get around to it, cool, but that stuff is always more of a bonus to use outside of the game these models are intended for.

If anything, I'd prefer if they kept the 40K-rules-for-30K-models such as the Custodes Tanks and Relic Dreads, etc.. more low key like rules for Gellerpox Infected, etc.. They should be usable for fans of the models, but should ideally be a tier below the actual 40K stuff and not warp the 40K meta in ways that some of these FW models have done in the past.

Name some of those fw units that "warped the meta" and explain how they did it, and how it was worse than stuff like Castellans, smash captains, Eldar flyers etc.. of course people play fw units because their fans of them. That's why most people play any model or faction. Only the most WAAC players would ever play a unit that they hate. Fw units are important to some factions. Custodes would barely have an army without fw.

But but but Renegade Smite dude worse than Castellon! Worse than Roboute Razorbacks!
But but but Sicarian Tank worse than 10 free Razorbacks!

These people don't have a clue what they're talking about ever.

 warboss wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that you don't actually buy GW rules but rather pay for a one to two year license to use them. It's basically a printed equivalent of DLC that unlocks something already on the disc. Genius!

Actually it is worse... because they sell the balance patches separetly aswell

 parakuribo wrote:
I am just going to add my two cents in this. Everyone is entitled to their response as to this post.

1. I for one am glad that Games Workshop is releasing a book that allows us to play our Forge World models in Warhammer 40K 9th edition.

2. I like how they handled the Death Korps of Krieg doctrine, and look forward to any other improvements the other models have.

3. Solomon Iok and Lugft Huron are in the book while Zhufor will be a Legends character. AN MIA INQUISITOR AND THE FUTURE HURON BLACKHEART AREN'T LEGENDS. A CHAOS TERMINATOR, THAT IS STILL ALIVE, HAS NOT TURNED AND IS NOT USEABLE IN ANY KHORNE WARBAND, WORLD EATER OR NO, IS.

AN !@#$@!@$#$ MIA INQUISITOR AND THE FUTURE HURON !%@#$%!#% BLACKHEART, NO.

ZHUFOR, YES.

Thank you for reading this. In addition, I may or may not switch to Age of Sigmar in the near future.

Edit: WHI THE !@#!%#@!@#$ IS VALTHEX ALSO IN THERE!?!?!?!?!

gw's policy is if a unit had a model in the recent past, but no current model, it will be part of legends. It doesn't matter what state the unit has in the lore

I must confess, Renegades and Heretics loss is growing on me...
All this resin stuff no more covered...

mortar_crew wrote:
I must confess, Renegades and Heretics loss is growing on me...
All this resin stuff no more covered...

ib4

"JuSt PlAy GuArD."

I am mildly curious about the legends ruleset... i don't have high hopes and fully expect all the 8th nonsense beeing directly Copy pasted and non of the rules that were STILL broken fixed...

Man I hate to pile on the negativity even more but this simply stinks. GW has 0 respect for us Guard players.

I still don't understand why they didn't at least turn R&H into something akin to the GSC "doctrine" so you can at least field your R&H army with CSM. It wouldn't have been perfect, but it's way closer to useable.

I've been out of the loop, do we know if the bigger chapters are finally getting their own tactics? Hoping that's what the Chapters of Renown is.

parkuribo, legends isn't about timeline, it's about being able to field a model that they've made rules for. It sucks that a character you like isn't represented, I lost some too, but it's pretty easy to represent most of them with generic characters, for instance just a terminator lord.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

I've been out of the loop, do we know if the bigger chapters are finally getting their own tactics? Hoping that's what the Chapters of Renown is.

Sounds like they're publishing full rules for Blood Ravens, Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, and Astral Claws. Dunno if they'll get more than just a chapter tactic though.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

I've been out of the loop, do we know if the bigger chapters are finally getting their own tactics? Hoping that's what the Chapters of Renown is.

Sounds like they're publishing full rules for Blood Ravens, Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, and Astral Claws. Dunno if they'll get more than just a chapter tactic though.

Nah, based on previous GW efforts its likely to say :

Chapters of Renown:

Other than specifically named units which have the Chapters Keyword, <BLOOD RAVENS>, <RED SCORPIONS>, <MINOTAURS> or <ASTRAL CLAWS>, these 4 Chapters may take no other units from this book.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

I've been out of the loop, do we know if the bigger chapters are finally getting their own tactics? Hoping that's what the Chapters of Renown is.

Sounds like they're publishing full rules for Blood Ravens, Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, and Astral Claws. Dunno if they'll get more than just a chapter tactic though.

I wonder which non marine sub sub factions are getting any special rules.... guess just DKOK then.....yeah thats about right.

terry wrote:

 parakuribo wrote:
I am just going to add my two cents in this. Everyone is entitled to their response as to this post.

1. I for one am glad that Games Workshop is releasing a book that allows us to play our Forge World models in Warhammer 40K 9th edition.

2. I like how they handled the Death Korps of Krieg doctrine, and look forward to any other improvements the other models have.

3. Solomon Iok and Lugft Huron are in the book while Zhufor will be a Legends character. AN MIA INQUISITOR AND THE FUTURE HURON BLACKHEART AREN'T LEGENDS. A CHAOS TERMINATOR, THAT IS STILL ALIVE, HAS NOT TURNED AND IS NOT USEABLE IN ANY KHORNE WARBAND, WORLD EATER OR NO, IS.

AN !@#$@!@$#$ MIA INQUISITOR AND THE FUTURE HURON !%@#$%!#% BLACKHEART, NO.

ZHUFOR, YES.

Thank you for reading this. In addition, I may or may not switch to Age of Sigmar in the near future.

Edit: WHI THE !@#!%#@!@#$ IS VALTHEX ALSO IN THERE!?!?!?!?!

gw's policy is if a unit had a model in the recent past, but no current model, it will be part of legends. It doesn't matter what state the unit has in the lore

Zhufor's model is still on sale: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Khorne-World-Eaters-Terminator-Lord-Zhufor

tneva82 wrote:
30k. 40k. You do know 40k imperium has lost lots of tech? 40k shouldn't be 30k+1. If anything 30k is where most of the units should be usable while 40k has smaller amount.

It absolutely SHOULD be 30K+1 because it IS 30K+1. 40K Imperium is far more advanced, thanks to 10.000 years of finding new STCs and new designs. Yes, they lost some stuff, but it was mostly very high end DAoT remains that absolutely wasn't common even in 30K, baseline is higher now. You could even see it on tabletop with CSM having no thunder hammers, storm shields, assault cannons, and a lot of other stuff until some inept GW writer that didn't read earlier lore started to hand out these like candy in both 40K and HH...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Name some of those fw units that "warped the meta" and explain how they did it, and how it was worse than stuff like Castellans, smash captains, Eldar flyers etc.. of course people play fw units because their fans of them. That's why most people play any model or faction. Only the most WAAC players would ever play a unit that they hate. Fw units are important to some factions. Custodes would barely have an army without fw.

You having a laugh? Never mind all the leviathans, contemptors, custode gak and other vastly broken stuff (to the point rule of 3 had to be introduced after FW psyker spam deleted whole armies first turn) that made all knight armies and eldar flying circus look like harmless children, FW couldn't even balance their own SM vs SM game, making any attempts at defending them laughable.

To give three examples, Custodes as a faction. Imagine custode HQ that is so broken he can duel two primarchs and win easily. That's smash captain squared, and it wasn't even the worst thing they could bring to bear. Custodes were in fact so OP they almost sunk HH and forced the edition change. If you didn't hear about that, you know nothing about HH balance.

Then you have Magnus and Lorgar. Remember old 7th edition invisibility? Now imagine it on monstrous creature lord of war and you will get unit that can easily duel three other primarchs at once, and win. Or wreck 5 Castellans, no sweat. Balanced!

And of course, HH artillery, which could drown enemies in 40 pie plates per turn thanks to very cheap (in points) platforms. Besides taking hours to establish how many hits you had and killing your opponent with sheer boredom, you didn't see this spammed only thanks to massive $$$ cost it needed. And that's just 3 examples, there were dozens of similarly broken things, all of them vastly worse than silly 40K stuff above, only held back by gigantic resin price tag (which only worked until people started spamming recasts). Hell, just look at most common HQ weapon in HH, paragon blade, these funny "smash" captains from 40K would give their left arm for anything even half as deadly...

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
30k. 40k. You do know 40k imperium has lost lots of tech? 40k shouldn't be 30k+1. If anything 30k is where most of the units should be usable while 40k has smaller amount.

It absolutely SHOULD be 30K+1 because it IS 30K+1. 40K Imperium is far more advanced, thanks to 10.000 years of finding new STCs and new designs. Yes, they lost some stuff, but it was mostly very high end DAoT remains that absolutely wasn't common even in 30K, baseline is higher now. You could even see it on tabletop with CSM having no thunder hammers, storm shields, assault cannons, and a lot of other stuff until some inept GW writer that didn't read earlier lore started to hand out these like candy in both 40K and HH...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Name some of those fw units that "warped the meta" and explain how they did it, and how it was worse than stuff like Castellans, smash captains, Eldar flyers etc.. of course people play fw units because their fans of them. That's why most people play any model or faction. Only the most WAAC players would ever play a unit that they hate. Fw units are important to some factions. Custodes would barely have an army without fw.

You having a laugh? Never mind all the leviathans, contemptors, custode gak and other vastly broken stuff (to the point rule of 3 had to be introduced after FW psyker spam deleted whole armies first turn) that made all knight armies and eldar flying circus look like harmless children, FW couldn't even balance their own SM vs SM game, making any attempts at defending them laughable.

To give three examples, Custodes as a faction. Imagine custode HQ that is so broken he can duel two primarchs and win easily. That's smash captain squared, and it wasn't even the worst thing they could bring to bear. Custodes were in fact so OP they almost sunk HH and forced the edition change. If you didn't hear about that, you know nothing about HH balance.

Then you have Magnus and Lorgar. Remember old 7th edition invisibility? Now imagine it on monstrous creature lord of war and you will get unit that can easily duel three other primarchs at once, and win. Or wreck 5 Castellans, no sweat. Balanced!

And of course, HH artillery, which could drown enemies in 40 pie plates per turn thanks to very cheap (in points) platforms. Besides taking hours to establish how many hits you had and killing your opponent with sheer boredom, you didn't see this spammed only thanks to massive $$$ cost it needed. And that's just 3 examples, there were dozens of similarly broken things, all of them vastly worse than silly 40K stuff above, only held back by gigantic resin price tag (which only worked until people started spamming recasts). Hell, just look at most common HQ weapon in HH, paragon blade, these funny "smash" captains from 40K would give their left arm for anything even half as deadly...

I dunno. I feel like the utter destruction of mars during heresy would have amounted to far more tech begin lost than to whats been found since. If you think about it. Pre unity mechanicum has been roaming the galaxy since the DAOT has ended predating the unity wars on terra and BIg E coming out to the fore to be a major player.

Oh... the Griffon is gone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh... the Griffon is gone.

!!!

Was that difficult!?!!!

Despite having current models in the catalog, the Stormhammer and Sky Talon are missing from the table of contents. Deliberate? Or just overlooked in a bit of copypasta laziness?

The minute FW decides to transfer 30K to 9th ed type rules I will never support them again. A pretty small % of the 30K community want that. That would be the biggest slap to the face yet.

More so than dozens of models and customization bits being stripped from the range every year. (cause then I don't feel bad about continuing to buy them )

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh... the Griffon is gone.

As are the Hydra, manticore... both in their platform and tracked version...

Ok tracked version can be used with regular codex datasheet.
So platforms are gone.

Sabre defence platforms also gone.

Lots of stuff that barely any people actually use has gone. Or stuff that they don’t intend for 40K. Or just forgot.

Seriously, who actually fielded Sabre Defense Platforms?

And if you do, they’re lined up for Legends rules according to GeeDubs.

Rule Of Three brought in to curb Malefic Psykers? Nah mate it was to kill off the 7 Hive Tyrant lists. Doubling those Psyker’s points killed them.

I’m probably gonna get this book and find that my Relic Contemptors and Leviathan cost more now. Which is honestly fine. So long as my Thunderbolt stays good, as it accidentally is now, I’m happy. If they drop it to BS4+ I’ll be sad. I’m cautiously hopeful it won’t be junk like the mess the IA Indexes were. Cautiously...