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Old World vampires, AoS vampires are all soulblight (aside for the few flesheater ones? but they still started with Nagash) so descendants from the two vampire mortarchs he recreated?
   
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Cronch wrote:
Old World vampires, AoS vampires are all soulblight (aside for the few flesheater ones? but they still started with Nagash) so descendants from the two vampire mortarchs he recreated?


Its all quite vague and often interesting (to me at least) how some of the "survivors" of the Old World have come into the Realms. The lore suggests that Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred are all just recreations of Nagash but they do retain surprising elements of their original personalities that Nagash does not value - so I am not sure. Its stated in the lore including Legions of Nagash, several times that Neferata is the first Vampire - so does that mean she had to create Mannfred....also even the original FEC Ushoran must have been created by her or one of her blood children....

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Nefereta has always been the first Vampire, though. That would still hold true if Nagash had simply recreated them all like so many other returnees that aren't gods have been.

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Look like we’ll know what Belakor is up to in just a fortnight.

Kinda nice to see GW catching up on their release schedule. I think Broken Realms has suffered some from the delay.

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From what it looks like the Bonereapers seem like a cross between the Sigmarines and Necrons.

Too bad they can't shoot worth crap.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Look like we’ll know what Belakor is up to in just a fortnight.

Or anywhere between 3 weeks to 3 months if you happen to be in the EU cuz GW rules team is also filling their import documents it seems

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Well at least book you can get via app right away.

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 Charistoph wrote:
From what it looks like the Bonereapers seem like a cross between the Sigmarines and Necrons.

Too bad they can't shoot worth crap.


That's part of their identity you know. If you want a shooty army? Play Lumineth, Cities, or Kharodon. Others can also do shooty to degrees. If you want hard as nails melee focused cool-as- looking undead though? That's why you play Bonereapers.
   
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ccs wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
From what it looks like the Bonereapers seem like a cross between the Sigmarines and Necrons.

Too bad they can't shoot worth crap.


That's part of their identity you know. If you want a shooty army? Play Lumineth, Cities, or Kharodon. Others can also do shooty to degrees. If you want hard as nails melee focused cool-as- looking undead though? That's why you play Bonereapers.


Wonder has he ever tried 3 crawlers. All 5 wound or less characters die with no overkill(each failed save dead charactei. 3 shoots at up to 4 different character). Terrorgheist etc flat out dissapear. In barrage.

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So what City of Sigmar city did we lose this time?

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None? It was Death Vs Aelves with a smattering of Kharadron and Nurgle. And they haven't strictly lost that city to Morathi. They're in a parlay situation at the moment.
   
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ccs wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
From what it looks like the Bonereapers seem like a cross between the Sigmarines and Necrons.

Too bad they can't shoot worth crap.

That's part of their identity you know. If you want a shooty army? Play Lumineth, Cities, or Kharodon. Others can also do shooty to degrees. If you want hard as nails melee focused cool-as- looking undead though? That's why you play Bonereapers.

Except for 3 things: That seems to be the "character" of the Grand Alliance of Death since Khemri was dropped like a bad habit. Sigmarines can shoot worth a crap. Necrons can shoot shoot worth a crap.

tneva82 wrote:Wonder has he ever tried 3 crawlers. All 5 wound or less characters die with no overkill(each failed save dead charactei. 3 shoots at up to 4 different character). Terrorgheist etc flat out dissapear. In barrage.

Or you know, look at what the comparison was to. If you're curious, look above. Artillery only isn't what I'd call the most effective shooting plan.

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And now we have Lord Kroak making an epic return.

I like these character-centric stories. You see the world through their eyes and their forces, get to see how other characters react to these grand developments, etc.

Will be fun to see how Belakor is dealing with Katakros and Olynder, if at all. Aren't those two mortarchs fighting in the 8 points?
   
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I noticed the notification of Kroak, and it made me wonder if some of those Available to Order tags will be going away from some of the models or if they'll be replaced as part of the introduction.

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tneva82 wrote:
ccs wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
From what it looks like the Bonereapers seem like a cross between the Sigmarines and Necrons.

Too bad they can't shoot worth crap.


That's part of their identity you know. If you want a shooty army? Play Lumineth, Cities, or Kharodon. Others can also do shooty to degrees. If you want hard as nails melee focused cool-as- looking undead though? That's why you play Bonereapers.


Wonder has he ever tried 3 crawlers. All 5 wound or less characters die with no overkill(each failed save dead charactei. 3 shoots at up to 4 different character). Terrorgheist etc flat out dissapear. In barrage.


This assumes they fail their saves of course. The things don't have any rend. Or there's no trickery involving passing wounds off to bodyguard units.
But I'm still not calling a force having 9 shots/turn (even if they do hit on 2+ with 5damage each) a shooty army.
   
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So it's been suggested in many threads that the grand alliances will eventually fade. When that happens, who will end up with nagash in their book?
   
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Nagash may still be a multi-book model much like the Tzaangors are right now.

Alternatively, it depends on If they keep Legions of Nagash as their own army instead of folding the majority in to Soulblight.

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 Togusa wrote:
So it's been suggested in many threads that the grand alliances will eventually fade. When that happens, who will end up with nagash in their book?
Hopefully Sylvaneth. We all know that Allarielle isn’t cutting mustard as the resident “diety” for the tree folk. Having a useful centerpiece model would be nice for a change

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ccs wrote:

This assumes they fail their saves of course. The things don't have any rend. Or there's no trickery involving passing wounds off to bodyguard units.
But I'm still not calling a force having 9 shots/turn (even if they do hit on 2+ with 5damage each) a shooty army.


Most characters have 4+ save. And of course you are targeting 4 characters at the same time. You think ALL of those will save? And unlike some other units with random damage or 1 damage per shot these don't overkill. There's no "wonder how many shots to allocate to that 5 wound character" and then find out you failed by one stinking wound and need to be splitting and wasting damage. One shot, one character. Some will invariably fail. And terrorgheists and stonehorns will just dissapear.

And 9? More like 12...You do know they can go to 4 shots per model?

They aren't uber shooty army but hardly worthless. There's reason why crawlers appear in majority of bonereaper armies...

What do you expect? 4 shots, 4 dead characters just like that? That's...unreasonable.

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tneva82 wrote:
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And 9? More like 12...You do know they can go to 4 shots per model?


No I don't, but then I can't quote all the various command abilities, spells, battalion abilities, & whatever is in BR for the Reapers as it's not one of my armies.
And to date I've only played against one, kinda poorly put together, OBR force with 1 crawler. The guy was more interested in babbling about the lore of his army than being effective on the field. Clearly that player doesn't know about it either. And I'm not inclined to tell him about it.

   
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 Togusa wrote:
So it's been suggested in many threads that the grand alliances will eventually fade. When that happens, who will end up with nagash in their book?
It was suggested that Slaanesh was going to be squatted too, and we saw how that went.


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drbored wrote:
And now we have Lord Kroak making an epic return.

I like these character-centric stories. You see the world through their eyes and their forces, get to see how other characters react to these grand developments, etc.

Will be fun to see how Belakor is dealing with Katakros and Olynder, if at all. Aren't those two mortarchs fighting in the 8 points?
Katakros is, Olynder was only there for the initial assault.

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 Togusa wrote:
So it's been suggested in many threads that the grand alliances will eventually fade.


Why would GW do that though? The "Grand Alliances" are as much a sales/product organization tool as anything rules/lore related. They literally sell books for Order/Destruction/Death & Chaos for Warcry.
And although few players make use of the option of organizing their armies via the generic Grand Alliances in AoS, that doesn't hurt the game nor sales.
   
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I think the idea of grand alliances will stay, but there will be more conflict between all the grand alliances, and more of "There is more lore reasons as to why they can fight each other."
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
I think the idea of grand alliances will stay, but there will be more conflict between all the grand alliances, and more of "There is more lore reasons as to why they can fight each other."


Indeed - there was already conflicts in the Alliances

Chaos and Destruction are as happy to fight each other as any other
Death has internal conflicts - especially between the Vampire Mortarchs/Lords and some FEC are openly enemies of Nagash
Order - The Deepkin have not stopped raiding and have had conflicts with various others - especially the Sylvaneth and Daughters.

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Death was really the only alliance that needed reasons to fight each other.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Death was really the only alliance that needed reasons to fight each other.


What, beyond it's game night at the FLGS/club or tourney time? That's always seemed to suffice.

Beyond that? Just because both parties are physically dead doesn't mean their rivalry & scheming is....
   
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ccs wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Death was really the only alliance that needed reasons to fight each other.


What, beyond it's game night at the FLGS/club or tourney time? That's always seemed to suffice.

Beyond that? Just because both parties are physically dead doesn't mean their rivalry & scheming is....


The only faction that could was the vampires who didn't exist cause they weren't free of nagash's control reminder. None of them could really fight one another, because of nagash's overwhelming control, because of what happen in BR, they are now free of his influence and may do whatever they want. They might have been able to before, but now its like there is no one holding the leash and its a scramble to get the most power.
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
ccs wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Death was really the only alliance that needed reasons to fight each other.


What, beyond it's game night at the FLGS/club or tourney time? That's always seemed to suffice.

Beyond that? Just because both parties are physically dead doesn't mean their rivalry & scheming is....


The only faction that could was the vampires who didn't exist cause they weren't free of nagash's control reminder. None of them could really fight one another, because of nagash's overwhelming control, because of what happen in BR, they are now free of his influence and may do whatever they want. They might have been able to before, but now its like there is no one holding the leash and its a scramble to get the most power.


Flesh Eater Courts could and did war on the other Death Factions and each other.
The Deathrattle Kings and Queens did the same.
Vampires scheme - as you said.

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Yeah. It’s always been my understanding that Nagash was quite happy for his underlings to bicker, politic and backstab.

They could do pretty much as they liked, provided it didn’t interfere with his plans. And if it did? Yeah No More Free Will For You, Nagash Says No.

So when he needed absolute singular unity of purpose, unlike pretty much any other of the Gods, he got it. The only other God with even close to that level of control would be Sigmar, and even then that solely extends to the Sigmarines.

Now he’s all discombobulated, his minions are left more to their own devices. And with Arkhan also gone for a space walk, it seems doubtful any have anything like a notion of the overarching plans. So they may end up working against each other without it even being through conflict.

And hey, Mannfred was a selfish Richard even when Nagash flicked the loyalty switch. Who knows how much advantage he’ll take with the collar off (or at least no-one holding the lead).

It does however suggest the opportunity for greater cooperation between Death and Order. Mannfred, Neferata and Katarkos are certainly not above working with the living to further their goals. So alliances Nagash might’ve refused could be back on the table to varying degrees.

One does wonder what impact Nagash’s lack of corporeal presence might have upon his realm, too.

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