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 lare2 wrote:
Well, the new NH stuff in Belakor isn't the best.


Yeah? Any details you can share?

I'm assuming from the contents page we got sub factions?


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https://www.goonhammer.com/broken-realms-belakor-part-6-nighthaunts/

Found it!


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Given I now have 40 Hexwraiths thanks to Mortal Realms, I'm pretty happy with that!

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 Void__Dragon wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Sure, it's only happened twice. Once in a direct confrontation with Archaon (which went about as well as could be expected) and now against Teclis on his home turf. People forget Nagash has been dominating during this period, even making Chaos panic initially.


Why did his fight with Archaon go "about as well as could be expected"?

Furthermore, what god-tier (in a fairly literal sense) character has Nagash defeated? Would you disagree that per Age of Sigmar's lore Nagash seems among the weakest gods?


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 Charistoph wrote:

Well, Nagash was always more of a scheming wizard than a battle wizard. He was originally taken down WAAAAAAAY back when by a barbarian with a funny sword given to him by rat people (if I remember right). Admittedly, he was a LITTLE distracted.
A fight Sigmar won with help and interference IIRC. Sigmar also being arguably the mightiest (in physical terms anyway) mortal to ever live, correct?


Because you don't pick a fight with the single most empowered creature of chaos in history and expect to walk away? god or not. Nagash has killed and eaten every other god of the underworlds in shyish as well as a few non-shyish gods. He's probably got the biggest kill count out of all of them. So no, he's nowhere near weakest. His arrogance just seems to make him fight those he actually is outclassed by.
   
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Yeah, my impression was very much that Nagash at his peak was only really rivaled in power by Sigmar himself out of the pantheon.
   
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Well, I've read some lore spoilers and the summaries seem pretty cool.

Spoiler:
The White Dwarf appears to be back and the ONE THING Be'lakor didn't plan for
   
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Rihgu wrote:
Well, I've read some lore spoilers and the summaries seem pretty cool.

Spoiler:
The White Dwarf appears to be back and the ONE THING Be'lakor didn't plan for


Spoiler:
Does the book confirm if that was him in the second Gotrek audio drama?

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Well going by summaries:

Spoiler:
Lord Kroak really made a mess of things and potentially just doomed Realm of Metal
   
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Rihgu wrote:
Well, I've read some lore spoilers and the summaries seem pretty cool.

Spoiler:
The White Dwarf appears to be back and the ONE THING Be'lakor didn't plan for


He's been back.

It may have been him in the aforementioned Gotrek audio drama, and the past 3 or 4 months he's been the star of a series in White Dwarf. Think the last part drops this or next month.

Pretty fun stories too.
Spoiler:
He seems to be going to every faction of Duardin specifically and teaching them lessons. First story was Fyreslayers at some sort of christening/naming ceremony, second Dispossessed at a remote brewery that was stubbornly not leaving while the world fell apart around them, third was Ironweld Arsenal in a crafting fair with the Lumineth, and next month he visits Kharadron. Hopefully it will be a catalyst to further unite the factions in the lore.

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Wow that was a fun story.

Very much an empire strikes back for broken realms.

Spoiler:
https://spruesandbrews.com/2021/04/17/broken-realms-belakor-review/

Especially an entire stormhost being wiped out that hasn't happened before along with all of the realmgates destroy, shoot that means the Realm of Metal is fethed.

I hope that we see the white dwarf get a model. And I also find it interesting how fethed over that realm is now, it was already fethed before, but now more so. But it now has harmed the dark gods and their plans they can't enter charmon either, and they had two of their silver towers completely destroyed dang. Thats pretty bad for all parties involved, Bel'akor definately won in some aspectsbut he lost his main objective, but still annihilated one entire stormhost forever.

My favorite part i've read from synopsises has been all the dwarves gathering together to fight Be'lakor


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 Stux wrote:
 lare2 wrote:
Well, the new NH stuff in Belakor isn't the best.


Yeah? Any details you can share?

I'm assuming from the contents page we got sub factions?


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https://www.goonhammer.com/broken-realms-belakor-part-6-nighthaunts/

Found it!


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Given I now have 40 Hexwraiths thanks to Mortal Realms, I'm pretty happy with that!
Bloody hell I had to stop after the first subfaction (which has been around since last year; it was in a white dwarf) because the commentary is so cringey. It's like he's never actually played.
   
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It wasn't a subfaction in White Dwarf, it was a battalion. Technically the abilities in this subfaction are from one battalion and one super battalion. Plus the command trait and artefact, though they are pretty bad.

So its a good point saving compared to taking the battalions! Not great compared to other armies still though.

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I really like gardus so, when I saw his model I decided. What the helk I am getting it. I'll paint him up in my stormhost colors and call it a day.

I am going to pick up Be'lakor and see the story for myself, Really interested in his rules and the story.

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 Stux wrote:
It wasn't a subfaction in White Dwarf, it was a battalion. Technically the abilities in this subfaction are from one battalion and one super battalion. Plus the command trait and artefact, though they are pretty bad.

So its a good point saving compared to taking the battalions! Not great compared to other armies still though.
Ah, thank you for the correction. And yeah, the artifact is bad and that command trait is truly awful. TBH if the bonuses are indeed as he stated I don't think they are worth going to NH allegiance for; Legion of Grief would still be better.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Stux wrote:
It wasn't a subfaction in White Dwarf, it was a battalion. Technically the abilities in this subfaction are from one battalion and one super battalion. Plus the command trait and artefact, though they are pretty bad.

So its a good point saving compared to taking the battalions! Not great compared to other armies still though.
Ah, thank you for the correction. And yeah, the artifact is bad and that command trait is truly awful. TBH if the bonuses are indeed as he stated I don't think they are worth going to NH allegiance for; Legion of Grief would still be better.


With 40 Hexwraiths, it is giving me pause for consideration.

The main sticking point for me is that Command Trait though. It's not just that it's bad, it's that you lose out on Ruler of the Spirit Host, which is kind of huge...

Roll on new battletome I guess!
   
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You'd be running Olynder anyways tbh, and her general-only command ability is worth losing RotSH for.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
You'd be running Olynder anyways tbh, and her general-only command ability is worth losing RotSH for.


Hmm, good point. So if you're taking Olynder and Hexwraiths anyway, the sub doesn't seem too bad. Compared to regular Nighthaunt anyway, not compared to LoG...

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Like shortly before BR: Teclis dropped, I haven’t read the new book and done a deep dive into it, but I’ve listened to 2+ Tough’s daily summary of eact Act. Pretty awesome stuff, once again. Probably my second fave of the 3, so far.

Initial Takeaways:
A Gaunt Summoner biting the bullet is a pretty big deal, since there is such a finite amount of them and this one was integral to quite a few of Archaon’s schemes. Seems like a big blow to Archaon’s leadership cadre.

I like that Bel’akor is active in the story/setting. Seems like they are really setting up Chaos to have 2 main leaders, with B and Archaon trying to outdo the other. Its good for Archaon to have some competition.

So, is it Grungni or Grombrindal? As a longtime Dwarf/Duardin player(them being my first love before Beastmen/BoC) I love the implications of either, and I feel like something big is in store for the Duardin. With the hints of Duardin unification in the Fyreslayers battletome, along with the Grombribdal(presumably) short stories in White Dwarf, I hope something big is in the works.

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Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.

So, reading Be'lakor I had one specific thought at one specific section of story....

Spoiler:
Pretty sure Gardus Steelsoul travelled the Event Horizon of a Stargate to go meet Kroak.


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 nels1031 wrote:

So, is it Grungni or Grombrindal? As a longtime Dwarf/Duardin player(them being my first love before Beastmen/BoC) I love the implications of either, and I feel like something big is in store for the Duardin. With the hints of Duardin unification in the Fyreslayers battletome, along with the Grombribdal(presumably) short stories in White Dwarf, I hope something big is in the works.


I'm going with Grombrindal(or some merging of the two since he's bearing a weapon more fitting Grungni). He's referred to as White Beard, Gromthi means "Ancestor"(Grombrindal means "White Bearded Ancestor" so it's a shortening of his old name), and the description before fully revealing himself matches the one in the White Dwarf stories.

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Just finished reading it. And like it’s two sister volumes, and unlike paycheck awakening, it really feels like there are genuine stakes at...erm.....stake.

I’ll be back with actual thoughts later, once my the old thinker has had a chance to digest.

But for now? This feels like a distinct middle bit. A lot of very cool things occur, but none quite as fundamental as Morathi and Teclis.

None of it is exactly inconsequential, rather we’re yet to see its full import until this narrative is wrapped up/

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Right behind you.

Frankly, Psychic Awakening did not really seem to have a "linear" story to it until we got to the last few books.
Broken Realms is basically something that could be broken down into one big book if they choose to publish just the lore.
   
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I mean...kinda?

Each BR volume has 60 or so pages of pure background. The first three would be a hefty tome unto itself.

But the episodic approach is, for me at least, working nicely.

Having read all three, there is a common thread to them - though Nagash getting chinned by Teclis hasn’t really hit fully so far

I like that each book, so far, as shown how the different forces are interacting.

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I think the white beard is a red herring; 'Gromthi' doesn't act like Grombrindal does, and Be'Lakor is legitimately afraid of him and refers to him as having returned. Grombrindal may be badass but he isn't THAT badass, and he hasn't been gone. Grungni makes more sense to me, but that's just my best guess.


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In other news, Reiknor's subfaction for NH is actually good enough to justify taking NH allegiance over Legion of Grief.

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Yeah, if you're taking a lot of Chainrasps anyway (and let's face it, most Nighthaunt players are) its really good. I'm not sure if its better than Endless Legions, but its certainly a legitimate decision rather than one being leagues ahead of the other.

If you're not bringing lots of rasps it's a bit pointless though, so for more niche builds you're probably still going LoG.

Also, weird they chose Glaivewraiths to also get rerolls... like yeah they need help to be playable, but they will already have full hit rerolls the majority of the time anyway...
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think the white beard is a red herring; 'Gromthi' doesn't act like Grombrindal does, and Be'Lakor is legitimately afraid of him and refers to him as having returned. Grombrindal may be badass but he isn't THAT badass, and he hasn't been gone. Grungni makes more sense to me, but that's just my best guess.


He acts way more like Grombrindal in the White Dwarf stories(traveling in disguise to various Duardin communities to impart advice and help those in need). Hell, he even does the "pulls off his cloak to reveal his magnificent white beard" in this like he did in practically every story he's in in the Old World. His shtick has also always been to aid the Dwarves in times of great and dire need. It's also important to remember that Grombrindal is a literal physical manifestation of Dwarven Grudge. He was SO mad at his BFF Malekith in the Old World, he reconstituted after death(something not even the Dwarven gods could do) due to Malekith causing the War of the Beard and breaking his personal promise to Grombrindal to protect Dwarven kind. He's WAY more powerful than you remember him being. He also hasn't been officially seen since saving Malekith in the End Times save his very probable appearance in the second Realmslayer drama where he was only recognized towards the end because of his white beard and tells the character that does not to tell Gotrek or anyone else that he's out and about. Hell, before he told anyone to call him Gromthi, he was always referred to as "White Beard".

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Have you been reading White Dwarf recently? He has definitely been seen since End Times. Multiple times. He even showed up in a short story during first edition AoS. I fear your information is years out of date.

Besides, since when has Grombrindal ever been depicted without an axe?

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Have you been reading White Dwarf recently? He has definitely been seen since End Times. Multiple times. He even showed up in a short story during first edition AoS. I fear your information is years out of date.


You mean like those things I mention in my post? I did miss the story in first edition, but the recent WD Gromthi stories fit the same descriptions in the other known/suspected story appearances.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Besides, since when has Grombrindal ever been depicted without an axe?


The Blood Bowl universe.

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If you've read them you should see it; Grombrindal is always an active participant. He goes out of his way to converse with people, give advice, or to fight foes. What he doesn't do is remain mostly silent in the background, only acting in the smallest way possible to tip fate. Grombrindal is also about intervening with individuals or small groups, he doesn't roll into diplomacy between states and change what an entire faction chooses to do.
   
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Digested thoughts.

Spoiler:
The rumours of Kroak’s damage to Chamon (eee heeee!) appeared overstated. Certainly my take away was one of Acceptable Losses. Left unchecked, the Eater of Tomes would’ve left all the Realms in a far more dire situation.

Importantly, it’s sounding like Archaon might be out of Varanite entirely. Morathi stole a lot, and the only other mentioned reserve went up the Silver Tower.

I do wonder if the Eater of Tomes is properly gone, as it’s essence has been discorporated along with its physical body. Happily I think they left enough wiggle room either way.

Is it Grombrindal, or is it Grungni? Well I’m struggling to think whether they’ve been confirmed to be separate entities, especially in AoS. It seems entirely possible Grombrindal is a disguise within a disguise, a way for Grungni (who has been curiously absent so far) to walk amongst his people without overly interfering in their Free Will and right to self determination. He seems only to interfere when absolutely necessary, and even then is more nudging them to a course of action, rather than taking the reins.

And as ever, we’re left with Real Consequences. Be’lakors spoopy cloud of Chaos doesn’t seem to have been dispelled, so Vindicarum is still in peril.

It’s effect upon Stormcast is also kind of poorly defined. At one stage, it describes their essence being ripped apart. But it then describes their lightning gheists being tormented within the cloud thing. If it can be dispelled or dealt with, what might happen to those who fell victim?

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Spear of Shadows has Grombrindal speaking with Grungni as a separate entity, I think it is reasonable to say they aren't the same being.
   
 
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