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 LordofHats wrote:
We don't talk about G-Savior.

It's also worth noting that The Reguild Century and the Correct Century happen after the Universal Century. Exactly where the other alt-timelines fit in there is a confusing/contradictory question XD

That was just Tomino messing with you when he made turn A

It is no longer considered part of the UC timeline, any more than giaigear is now.


And it fits the timeline better than turn A

Take it like this, right now the things that are absolutely canon are Original,MS08, IGLOO, Stardust, Thunderbolt, Z, ZZ(Though some elements have been thrown out, good) CCA, Unicorn, Hathaway, and now somewhere Victory.

Don't forget the origin, the MS igloo mini series(i mean it literally happens during the one year war) as well as the video games like blue destiny they are still in the timeline.

Canon and Gundam are questionable concepts. The Origin for example introduced numerous minor continuity errors, but the general response from Sunrise has been to shrug. Same with whatever the hell Turn A is supposed to be.

The Universal Century has a well defined chronology, but canon coherence is generally treated like a suggestion. The entries all tend to do their own thing for the most part these days, even the ones in UC so it's generally not been an issue.

I just finished rewatching Gundam Wing on GundamInfo' s Youtube page and noticed MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM 0083: The Afterglow of Zeon (EN,HK,TW,CN,KR Sub) is premiering. Guess Im watching this now.

Afterglow of Zeon I think is the compilation film of Gundam 0083 Stardust Memory.

 LordofHats wrote:
Afterglow of Zeon I think is the compilation film of Gundam 0083 Stardust Memory.

Yeah i thought that's what it was, i tend to avoid the compilations since they leave out so much.

Once again i will point you to otaku streamers they have it all including both versions of unicorn (as seven 1 hour long videos or the TV show size breakdown)

Honestly, Stardust could probably benefit from being shorter. It's plot meandered a lot to fill time.

Completely disagree, 0083 is still my favorite side story every bit of it was worth the watch. it is the bridge between the original one year war and zeta gundam, as well as the hard war story that is iconic to gundam. this wasn't an accidental genius pilot situation. everybody involved were trained military personnel even if some of them were green when it came to actual combat.

Who the feth wanted more SEED?

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Who the feth wanted more SEED?

I think SEED was fairly well received when it was just SEED. I'd consider it average as a Gundam show (which is still better than 75% of anime in my book).

SEED Destiny was so bad it retroactively made SEED almost unwatchable. It's hard to invest in any of the plot lines or characters when the sequel series so thoroughly butchered them. There was something of a clear in intent in the early 00s to kind of recreate the Universal Century in the Cosmic Era, but SEED Destiny tanked the entire concept. I think Post Disaster is the first alt timeline since that the fandom has really rallied around to say 'we want more of this.' I'm really hoping the proposed IBO content that was announced isn't just Udr Hunt and that we'll get a film sequel or a prequel set in the Calamity War. Post Disaster has a great setting and I'd love to see more of it.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Who the feth wanted more SEED?

Bandai

$$$$

Yeah, I quite liked SEED when it aired.


And then Destiny happened.

I'll never forgive the Japanese!

Albertorius wrote:Yeah, I quite liked SEED when it aired.


And then Destiny happened.

*cough* G gundam *cough*

BlackoCatto wrote:I'll never forgive the Japanese!

Hey everybody makes mistakes, like not re-hiring madhouse studios to do season 2 of the gunslinger girl TV series for example.


Otherwise there is so much about japan to love that is so unique it could not happen anywhere else in the world.

 aphyon wrote:

Albertorius wrote:Yeah, I quite liked SEED when it aired.


And then Destiny happened.

*cough* G gundam *cough*

BlackoCatto wrote:I'll never forgive the Japanese!

Hey everybody makes mistakes, like not re-hiring madhouse studios to do season 2 of the gunslinger girl TV series for example.


Otherwise there is so much about japan to love that is so unique it could not happen anywhere else in the world.

It's.... it's a JoJo reference

that's nice, i was never a fan of the series, saw it nearly a decade ago and took a pass.


These make my list of top anime series in my collection.


https://imgur.com/gallery/znuWcuw


https://imgur.com/gallery/6MG2iGz

Ive just finished watching SEED as a marathon after Wing. The first half of SEED I found to be pretty slow while the later half was similar paced to Wing in my opinion. Not even bothering with Destiny. It doesnt exist.
Now that Ive rewatched them both Ive realized I must have partially watched the 00 series years ago too. I vaguely remember the plot about a celestial being group.

Probably going to find something in Universal Century to watch next.

For UC timeline

avoiding the dated anime of the original 1979 TV show- i would suggest in this order

One year war era-
.the origin
.thunderbolt
.MS igloo
.08th MS team
.0080 war in the pocket

Post 1 year war era-
0083 stardust memory
zeta gundam(starts out slow but gets really good, considering it was popular enough to garner 2 seasons)
double zeta gundam (a bit to upbeat for my taste so it was hard to get into for me)

chars counterattack movie
gundam unicorn OVA seriesUC0096 TV show sut

Currently rewatching Gundam Wing. Hilariously awful and brilliant at the same time...

Rhythm Emotion is at present my wake up song...

 aphyon wrote:
that's nice, i was never a fan of the series, saw it nearly a decade ago and took a pass.

Are you talking about the JoJo OVA from the 90's or the modern TV series that started in 2012?

If the former... you got to see one of the most iconic sequences of the series with almost zero plot setup or context. It was made basically for fans of the manga only.

Assuming your talking about the 2012 series... it's worth another try. The series changes its main character and setting every story arc and while Jonathan and Joseph have their fans, the Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency arcs are a little mundane compared to what comes after. Stardust Crusaders and its lead Jotaro are when the series hits its stride, even if its a little villain of the week. In some ways I think Diamond is Unbreakable is a perfect starting point, simply because its a very self contained story and the whole Stand power system moved beyond traditional combat applications. It's a super fun series though, and well worth at the least hitting the highlights.




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 aphyon wrote:
Completely disagree, 0083 is still my favorite side story every bit of it was worth the watch. it is the bridge between the original one year war and zeta gundam, as well as the hard war story that is iconic to gundam. this wasn't an accidental genius pilot situation. everybody involved were trained military personnel even if some of them were green when it came to actual combat.

0083 is my favorite as well. I think mostly because its encapsulates a lot about what makes the UC stand the test of time without being weighed down by it. The mecha designs are great, the conflict itself is self contained and easy to get into without needing a lot of backstory and its just... Gundam, without any real caveats. 08th is better, but 0083 is my favorite.

War in the Pocket or 0080 is fantastic. A great buy for the blue ray.

I like War in the Pocket because it mocks us for thinking 'these giant robots are so cool' and making light of the fact people are dying on screen so long as we get our cool robot show.

It's the Gundam that calls out Gundam on its bs XD

LunarSol wrote:

0083 is my favorite as well. I think mostly because its encapsulates a lot about what makes the UC stand the test of time without being weighed down by it. The mecha designs are great, the conflict itself is self contained and easy to get into without needing a lot of backstory and its just... Gundam, without any real caveats. 08th is better, but 0083 is my favorite.

I like the concept of the 8th MS team and the battle with norris and the gouf custom was top notch, but after being spoiled by 0083, 0080 etc (remember i was watching them as they were being released in japan) i just did not care for the character designs or character portrayal in 08th ms team for most of the main cast. i think the MS igloo series did a far better job of depicting the "average grunts in the war" setting.

Lt. Col. cima garahau is still my favorite tragic developed character in the timeline.

This was done for me by an artist in japan who is a huge gundam fan i used to correspond with.

LordofHats wrote:I like War in the Pocket because it mocks us for thinking 'these giant robots are so cool' and making light of the fact people are dying on screen so long as we get our cool robot show.

It's the Gundam that calls out Gundam on its bs XD

The point of 0080 was to show the real impact of war by focusing on the war from the point of view of a child caught up by events he didn't understand.

Went back to Unicorn recently just as something a little more modern from the UC. I think part of the struggle of that timeline is that it suffers from the same problems that a lot of 70's sci-fi does in the sense that the future it envisions now feels retro and a lot of the ideas that floated around in that era that people cling to as what defines the property kind of hold it back.

Like, I'm not sure if the Newtype thing itself is that dated, but they way they talk about it sure makes it feel like it is. It's been 40 years in the real world and the franchise has never moved the idea forward. It's still kind of stuck in the same place trapped between that bubble of 80/90's love of post apocalyptic sci-fi cliches.

I'd love to see something that felt like a real modernization of the UC. Put the thought into 40+ years of progress and give the setting a real future to work from.

 aphyon wrote:
For UC timeline

avoiding the dated anime of the original 1979 TV show- i would suggest in this order

The original was very ahead of its time in terms of the sort of story it was telling, especially compared to Western animation, but it definitely meanders a lot and has a rushed ending.

Instead, I'd recommend the manga Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin. It retells and reorganises the original into a tighter narrative while hitting all of the high notes, as well an incorporating the material of the Origin OVA (covering Char's early life and the rise of Zeon). And the art is gorgeous.

I'd rather they not change the UC timeline or modernize it. Origin is as far as that should go. If anything, a remake of 0079 series should stay relatively the same besides visuals. There is a reason why UC stood has stood the test of time in popularity and content.

Furthermore the series has always changed to the times. Zeta capturing very different times of mid 80s and with something like Unicorn if you pay attention to the background of the show as it came out.

 LunarSol wrote:
Went back to Unicorn recently just as something a little more modern from the UC. I think part of the struggle of that timeline is that it suffers from the same problems that a lot of 70's sci-fi does in the sense that the future it envisions now feels retro and a lot of the ideas that floated around in that era that people cling to as what defines the property kind of hold it back.

Like, I'm not sure if the Newtype thing itself is that dated, but they way they talk about it sure makes it feel like it is. It's been 40 years in the real world and the franchise has never moved the idea forward. It's still kind of stuck in the same place trapped between that bubble of 80/90's love of post apocalyptic sci-fi cliches.

I'd love to see something that felt like a real modernization of the UC. Put the thought into 40+ years of progress and give the setting a real future to work from.

I had a convo about this the other day.

To a degree, the lack of super tech in UC doesn't feel too out of place cause Minovsky physics can justify most of the setting's conceits. It stands out more in some of the alt-timelines and I wonder when or if we'll see Cyberpunk Gundam; mobile suits being remotely operated from heavily armored carriers by remote, a higher emphasis of cyberwarfare, and...I don't know. The internet existing? It's amazing how many TV shows and movies still feel like they're being made in the late 90s or early 00s in terms of how technology is featured in stories. Gundam Wing was a bit ahead of its time in a way for featuring drones and the consequences as a big part of its story, and I think I'd like to see a return to that. Why put someone in a giant robot when they can operate it by remote from miles away? How would that play out with the series' war is hell themes? Scifi is in a lot of ways, long overdue for reinvention that actually catches up to the technology we're now realizing. A lot of scifi still feels like it's being made with the assumptions and state of things of the 90s in mind.

 LordofHats wrote:
Scifi is in a lot of ways, long overdue for reinvention that actually catches up to the technology we're now realizing. A lot of scifi still feels like it's being made with the assumptions and state of things of the 90s in mind.

I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to highlight this because its spot on.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
I'd rather they not change the UC timeline or modernize it. Origin is as far as that should go. If anything, a remake of 0079 series should stay relatively the same besides visuals. There is a reason why UC stood has stood the test of time in popularity and content.

Furthermore the series has always changed to the times. Zeta capturing very different times of mid 80s and with something like Unicorn if you pay attention to the background of the show as it came out.

Well it is entirely possible the remake of space battleship yamato season 1 from 1974 with space battleship yamato 2199 from 2014 was incredibly well done with a huge budget and only minor tweaks story wise to modernize it.