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 LunarSol wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Scifi is in a lot of ways, long overdue for reinvention that actually catches up to the technology we're now realizing. A lot of scifi still feels like it's being made with the assumptions and state of things of the 90s in mind.


I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to highlight this because its spot on.


This is exactly why I can not play Cyberpunk genres anymore. Too much like real life!


Is there an in series explanation why manned, giant robots fighting in space is still the ideal way to fight a war?

Even watching the the Battle of Loum (IIRC- where Char becomes the Red Comet) seems weird as the space warships seem completely out of date and a waste of time. Yet both sides have a ton of them. It is like watching carrier planes taking apart battleship fleets in WWII only on much larger sci-fi scale.

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 Easy E wrote:

Is there an in series explanation why manned, giant robots fighting in space is still the ideal way to fight a war?


Menovsky particules essentially jam all forms of targeting beyond the manual line of sight variety. You'll see at the start of pretty much every battle someone in charge order their deployment to shield themselves from automated weaponry.
   
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So, just now seeing this thread. . . and I'm a total newb when it comes to the gundams

I did finish watching UC Unicorn on Netflix, and built a few random gundams now sitting on my son's shelf (he thinks they look as cool as I do, so hey, more space!!)

But I'm not sure where to really "start" or where to go next since I've finished Unicorn.
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So, just now seeing this thread. . . and I'm a total newb when it comes to the gundams

I did finish watching UC Unicorn on Netflix, and built a few random gundams now sitting on my son's shelf (he thinks they look as cool as I do, so hey, more space!!)

But I'm not sure where to really "start" or where to go next since I've finished Unicorn.


I made a post on the first page that attempt to offer a basic guide to the franchise.

   
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 BlackoCatto wrote:
Yes, I didn't like that show.





Well whatever does it for ya, It is the anime that got me hooked back when i was a little kid in the early 80s when it was released here as star blazers.

I own the models, the new movies (both live action and animated) as well as both season 1 &2 remakes (2199/2202) of the original show. i think i have watched 2199 now about 5 times.

I love how much effort- quality and story wise went into the remakes to keep it as close to the original as possible. Much less of a let down that was record of lodosss war-legend of the heroic knight- TV series compared to the quality of the original OVAs.

With fixed budgets the shorter the length the quality usually rises
.movie
.OVA
.short TV series (12 episodes)
.full TV series(24 episodes)

Every now and again they really put the effort in like they did with 2199 or macross frontier. Given uchu senkan yamatos place in the golden age of anime and japanese culture it really isn't a surprise though.







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 LordofHats wrote:
I had a convo about this the other day.

To a degree, the lack of super tech in UC doesn't feel too out of place cause Minovsky physics can justify most of the setting's conceits. It stands out more in some of the alt-timelines and I wonder when or if we'll see Cyberpunk Gundam; mobile suits being remotely operated from heavily armored carriers by remote, a higher emphasis of cyberwarfare, and...I don't know. The internet existing? It's amazing how many TV shows and movies still feel like they're being made in the late 90s or early 00s in terms of how technology is featured in stories. Gundam Wing was a bit ahead of its time in a way for featuring drones and the consequences as a big part of its story, and I think I'd like to see a return to that. Why put someone in a giant robot when they can operate it by remote from miles away? How would that play out with the series' war is hell themes? Scifi is in a lot of ways, long overdue for reinvention that actually catches up to the technology we're now realizing. A lot of scifi still feels like it's being made with the assumptions and state of things of the 90s in mind.


There are in-setting reasons, but the real one is simply that such things are undramatic, and an especially bad fit for the sorts of war stories that Gundam tells, where the pilots are putting their ideals and passions on the line in a way that gets sapped of meaning if they're not on the battlefield. A big appeal of mecha shows in the first place is that they add a personal element to modern or sci-fi warfare, where a hero can have a face.

And then you just go down the rabbit hole of why this other impractical thing is being used and congratulations, you've just talked yourself into eliminating giant mecha from your giant mecha show, whoops!

At most, it might be something like the Ace Combat series, where drones and automated robots do exist, but they're the faceless robotic minions used by sinister AI's, or villains who are too cowardly to show their faces.

"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich." 
   
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 aphyon wrote:
For UC timeline

avoiding the dated anime of the original 1979 TV show- i would suggest in this order

One year war era-
.the origin
.thunderbolt
.MS igloo
.08th MS team
.0080 war in the pocket

Post 1 year war era-
0083 stardust memory
zeta gundam(starts out slow but gets really good, considering it was popular enough to garner 2 seasons)
double zeta gundam (a bit to upbeat for my taste so it was hard to get into for me)

chars counterattack movie
gundam unicorn OVA seriesUC0096 TV show sut

Found a bunch of this on YT. So far Ive binge watched The Origin, Thunderbolt, Ms Igloo eps1-6 and War In The Pocket.
I really liked The Origin, Thunderbolt and War In The Pocket. MS Igloo had a good story but the 3d animation felt weird at times.

Have started on the original series now. Not gonna lie, after all the depressing stories Ep10 was a laugh.
   
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IBO is probably my hands down favourite. I tend to watch the alternate timelines rather than much in the UC, I don't even like Unicorn all that much even though I've rewatched it a few times.

I enjoyed SEED, I was young when I watched SEED destiny and think I was just a little too young at the time to realise how trash it was, I rewatched it about 5 years ago, well, I say re-watched it, I skipped a fair amount of it.

Wing was my first series, like a lot of westerners.

00 is great, I really enjoyed all of it.

Shame the IBO series 3/spin off was turned into a game, though I'd worry about any further leaps into the Post Disaster timeline would lack the bleakness and well, grim and darkness (intended) that the original series had. The calamity wars would be cool though, especially if you started to see the toll the gundams took on their pilots when fighting the mobile armours.

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I'd be interested to see how Barbatos came to be abandoned on Mars.

It's kind of weird.

Kimaris, Bael, Dantalion, Gremory, Astaroth and Vaul were all maintained by their families in some form or another after the war. Gusion and Flauros were presumably lost in battle and never recovered, one in the debris belt and the other buried on Mars. Machosias was apparently destroyed, written as lost, and then rebuilt centuries later from its scraps.

Barbatos though was just left in on a field, exposed, seemingly abandoned after the war.

I find that kind of weird and would be interested to see the story behind it. And yes, I love the Post Disaster setting a lot and am very enthusiastic about it XD

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 Dropbear Victim wrote:
 aphyon wrote:
For UC timeline

avoiding the dated anime of the original 1979 TV show- i would suggest in this order

One year war era-
.the origin
.thunderbolt
.MS igloo
.08th MS team
.0080 war in the pocket

Post 1 year war era-
0083 stardust memory
zeta gundam(starts out slow but gets really good, considering it was popular enough to garner 2 seasons)
double zeta gundam (a bit to upbeat for my taste so it was hard to get into for me)

chars counterattack movie
gundam unicorn OVA seriesUC0096 TV show sut

Found a bunch of this on YT. So far Ive binge watched The Origin, Thunderbolt, Ms Igloo eps1-6 and War In The Pocket.
I really liked The Origin, Thunderbolt and War In The Pocket. MS Igloo had a good story but the 3d animation felt weird at times.

Have started on the original series now. Not gonna lie, after all the depressing stories Ep10 was a laugh.


The 3d animation in MS igloo got better over time because obviously it was released with newer and newer graphics capabilities.

MS IGLOO: 1-nen Sensou Hiroku was 2004
MS IGLOO: Mokushiroku 0079-was 2006
MS IGLOO 2: Juuryoku Sensen-was 2008/2009

All 3 trilogies are on otaku streamers.





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 Elemental wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
I had a convo about this the other day.

To a degree, the lack of super tech in UC doesn't feel too out of place cause Minovsky physics can justify most of the setting's conceits. It stands out more in some of the alt-timelines and I wonder when or if we'll see Cyberpunk Gundam; mobile suits being remotely operated from heavily armored carriers by remote, a higher emphasis of cyberwarfare, and...I don't know. The internet existing? It's amazing how many TV shows and movies still feel like they're being made in the late 90s or early 00s in terms of how technology is featured in stories. Gundam Wing was a bit ahead of its time in a way for featuring drones and the consequences as a big part of its story, and I think I'd like to see a return to that. Why put someone in a giant robot when they can operate it by remote from miles away? How would that play out with the series' war is hell themes? Scifi is in a lot of ways, long overdue for reinvention that actually catches up to the technology we're now realizing. A lot of scifi still feels like it's being made with the assumptions and state of things of the 90s in mind.


There are in-setting reasons, but the real one is simply that such things are undramatic, and an especially bad fit for the sorts of war stories that Gundam tells, where the pilots are putting their ideals and passions on the line in a way that gets sapped of meaning if they're not on the battlefield. A big appeal of mecha shows in the first place is that they add a personal element to modern or sci-fi warfare, where a hero can have a face.

And then you just go down the rabbit hole of why this other impractical thing is being used and congratulations, you've just talked yourself into eliminating giant mecha from your giant mecha show, whoops!

At most, it might be something like the Ace Combat series, where drones and automated robots do exist, but they're the faceless robotic minions used by sinister AI's, or villains who are too cowardly to show their faces.


I would also argue that heavily modernizing it would as well destroy themes and tones that were being presented, espeacialy once you get to Zeta. I'd argue that the only real thing that needs to be done is with 0079, Orginal Gundam just being reanimated, but leaving the look and the tech intact.
   
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Apparently Netflix will begin streaming the Mobile Suit Gundam compilation film trilogy (the movie versions of the original Gundam) and Char's Counterattack starting on the 18th.

   
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Sunrise wants to remind us that there is a LA adaptation in the works.




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 LordofHats wrote:
Sunrise wants to remind us that there is a LA adaptation in the works.




G-Savior: Nobody loves m-

Everyone: Who the feth are you? Shut up. I'm watching this train explode!


G Savior isn't even acknowledged anymore by Bandai or Sunrise. I have a bit more faith in this adaption though, director got into a public fight about Turn A Gundam, the only person that does that is someone that is a fan of Gundam.
   
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Just saw the other night on Netflix, that Mobile Suit Gundam I, MSG II, and MSG III Encounter in Space, among a couple others I'm forgetting are available for viewing. the data on MSG I says it was released in 1981, but I don't know if there's been any remastering or anything that would make it different/special from other releases.
   
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Those are the movie compilations of the original TV series from 1979.


In other fun gundam news anybody see the gundam mouse/keyboard set?




A side note, back in 2000 i took a trip to Tokyo and i saw this fun stuff



And i also picked up a zeon flag (pic from my old apartment) i still have up in my house, sadly they didn't have a same sized feddy flag or i would have grabbed one of those as well.








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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Just saw the other night on Netflix, that Mobile Suit Gundam I, MSG II, and MSG III Encounter in Space, among a couple others I'm forgetting are available for viewing. the data on MSG I says it was released in 1981, but I don't know if there's been any remastering or anything that would make it different/special from other releases.


It's the exact same release of the OG series Compilation film trilogy. All three of which compile the original series from 1979, ingraining Gundam into Japanese Pop Culture.

Fun fact. Roughly 10% of the first compilation film is new animation. Soldier of Sorrow has roughly around 25% new animation with the last one, Encounters In Space, having roughly 75% of it new animation.
   
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 BlackoCatto wrote:

Fun fact. Roughly 10% of the first compilation film is new animation. Soldier of Sorrow has roughly around 25% new animation with the last one, Encounters In Space, having roughly 75% of it new animation.



That is pretty cool. . .
And honestly, I didn't know these films were "just" compilations of the episodic show. As I said maybe a few pages back now, I am mere months into finding and liking the Gundam-verse.

I've only finished UC Unicorn on Netflix, and other than the films which I'm working on watching, have no idea what to watch next.
   
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Many of the UC timeline series have compilation films. Best thing is to watch those compilation films of the OG, Zeta, and then if you want ZZ. Then Char's Counter Attack to finish it all.
   
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Hathaway hits Netflix on Thursday.

   
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 BlackoCatto wrote:
Many of the UC timeline series have compilation films. Best thing is to watch those compilation films of the OG, Zeta, and then if you want ZZ. Then Char's Counter Attack to finish it all.


I would not recommend the compilation films for Zeta. Mainly because they make some odd choices with what to cut/what to keep. But also because they completely change the ending, which makes later timeline stuff a little confusing because you keep wondering why certain characters from Zeta are/are not showing up still.
   
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I started watching Gundam I from 1981.

Some of the early scenes, when the Zakus get into Side 7 are pretty brutal. Shows how powerful a Mobile Suit was compared to other conventional military forces.

Plus, the scene when Frau Bow goes to the assorted dead bodies and is crying over her dead mother. That's a pretty interesting scene in a show like this, and when it was made.

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Hathaway is an interesting watch.... It’s not quite as bombastic as I expected, I think it will show it’s worth in terms of story once the other parts have released but it is quite slow, very slow in fact. There’s more to discuss in terms of the story but I’ll wait till others are posting rather than making a spoilered post now.

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It's got a similar issue to the Hobbit trilogy. The films aren't bad, but you sit there after the fact and wonder if it really needed to be more than one movie. The film's short on action and Gundam epicness, but it's oddly engrossing despite that. I didn't even realize the movie was at the end until it hit the end. But yeah. After the end, I sat there wondering why we needed 90 minutes to cover this, when the only relevant parts of the plot honestly are the first and last 15-25 minutes.

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I'm glad to hear the movie was engrossing even if it didn't cover a lot of ground.

I'm looking forward to watching it later this evening.

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 LordofHats wrote:
It's got a similar issue to the Hobbit trilogy. The films aren't bad, but you sit there after the fact and wonder if it really needed to be more than one movie. The film's short on action and Gundam epicness, but it's oddly engrossing despite that. I didn't even realize the movie was at the end until it hit the end. But yeah. After the end, I sat there wondering why we needed 90 minutes to cover this, when the only relevant parts of the plot honestly are the first and last 15-25 minutes.


Yeah I see what you mean, however, given all the time dedicated to the story and building the characters... *Spoilers contain some aludment to possible future events in the next two parts*

Spoiler:

Knowing the story outline, firstly I don't think it really embedded a justification/motivation for Hathaway to be Mafty, but maybe this is coming in a later part.

Secondly, his relationship with Kenneth does not seem to friendly/entrenched at this point either, so the parts in future which will show some amount of loyalty and endearance to each other doesn't make sense off of this basis as of yet. I also found it interesting how quickly Kenneth got on the scent of Hathaway being mafty also... How is their friendship and mutual respect going to blossom when they are enemies now?

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Yeah. The film seems to take for granted that everyone knows the book's original early plot twist going in (that Hathaway is Mafty), and thus didn't even try to hide it. Even in the trailers there was no attempt to hide it. That doesn't surprise me I guess. Most fans have probably never read the novel (I haven't) but anyone who does even a little digging is probably vaguely aware of its plot. They doubled down on that a bit by making every character aware of it too.

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I'm the same way, I was are of the general premise of Hathaway's Flash but I didn't know any of the fine details or the plot twist. I guess it's not too surprising the movie had all the characters figure out early on that twist since it's a very old spoiler.

General impressions of the movie

I was a little concerned that this would be multiple movies vice one but I have to say I loved the pacing in this movie. No moment felt wasted and it had the right mix of long shots and fast moving scenes.

Great sound design, I especially liked the music near the end that had a bladerunner esque theme to it. Could have done without an insert song in the beginning though.

Animation was very fluid, loved the opening sequence on the space shuttle reentry.

Since Hathaways's Flash is meant to be more about the characters and the political intrigue I'm glad they took the Godzilla approach with mobile suits. It's a nice sense of immersion when you see people on the ground fleeing a mobile suit conflict and we only catch glimpses of the MS since the characters on the ground have terrible visibility with the conflict raging. Really enjoyed that section.

Seeing the beam scatter melting bollards and fire hydrants is a simple scene that does a good job of reinforcing Gundam's "War is terrible for civilians" theme.

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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm the same way, I was are of the general premise of Hathaway's Flash but I didn't know any of the fine details or the plot twist. I guess it's not too surprising the movie had all the characters figure out early on that twist since it's a very old spoiler.


Yeah it's kind of up there with Vader being Luke's father, at least for anyone with more than passing awareness of Gundam. Another example is Char being Casval Deikun. That was a somewhat late story reveal in the original series, but the compilation films don't even try to hide it and come right out with Sayla and Char being related early on.

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