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I'm excited to watch warhammer content. I'll probably use it like any subscription service. I'll sign up, watch what I want to watch and then unsubcribe until there is something else I want to see.

None of the options - depends on the price and contents.

The thing is, I'd normally be excited for something like this, but I suspect GW will greatly overestimate what this is worth.

The WH animations I've seen so far from some of the content creators they've snatched up have been "really good for amateur produced content". Once you flip the switch to professional and start charging money, though. . . my expectations change.

I do have a realistic expectation regarding this. I know focused content presented (presumably) without ads to a relatively narrow audience will cost more per the amount of content than Netflix or Hulu. There's just no way that it can't.

The real question is simply where they price it, and I suspect that whatever that price is will be too much.

I do hope I'm wrong though, so we'll see!

Doesn't seem like enough content to justify me paying for it, and the wife certainly won't think its worth it either. So not terribly excited.

If its like $1 a month, maybe, but I really can't see it being worth more, for a dozen short animations on an undefined schedule.

Overall, meh; might have bought like a season pass to one or two if they just released them that way - but only once the whole thing was complete.

It's a digital product associated with GW, it'll be trash for some time to come, and I won't be paying them to fix it.

IF they do end with any content worth watching, I'm sure it will be available some other way than whatever terrible DRM viewer they try to push it through.

I'm disappointed that they aren't releasing on mainstream streaming services, and desperately hope that when Eisenhorn comes along it's on Netflix, or Prime, and not this.

I would have said there would have been far, far more benefit from selling the series to Netflix and the like and then reaching a massive audience/functioning as advertising.
Unless the stuff isn't up to standard?

Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick about what it is supposed to be?

 Pacific wrote:
desperately hope that when Eisenhorn comes along it's on Netflix, or Prime

The rumour is HBO.

Very excited!

beast_gts wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
desperately hope that when Eisenhorn comes along it's on Netflix, or Prime

The rumour is HBO.

Considering they named it Warhammer+ just like Disney+ and that they have a working relationship with Marvel I'm betting Disney+. I'm fairly sure you can watch Pretty Woman on Disney+ so the more mature content isn't impossible.

A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

I am not hype. Curious though. Mostly curious about Astartes II.

yukishiro1 wrote:
A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

It's not GW's app -

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

 Aenar wrote:
It makes no sense at all to hide supposedly good and attractive content behind a paywall in a proprietary app. You should want to make it for everyone to see, to attract new customers.
This is just self-referential, the only people who are going to see it are those who already know about the hobby and are willing to splash money for it.

Watch it flop so hard that they'll pull the plug 6 months later.

This type of content costs a lot of money to create, it was never going to be free - the question was always "which paid streaming service would it have shown up on?", and the answer seems to be "our own" - which is a valid answer that myself and others speculated 1-2 years ago. From a customer standpoint its perhaps less than ideal but it makes a lot of sense from a business standpoint given the way the film/television/streaming industry works.

When it comes to original content, the Netflixes and HBOs and Disneys and Warner Bros of the world want the freedom to flood the market with merch and licensed products that they can make money on hand over fist. I.E. - they would license the rights from GW, pay the production costs for the programming, host and stream it, and then recoup their investment by licensing out rights for toys, clothes, board games, video games, etc. GW was never going to sign away the merchandising rights for its own products like that, not when GW is already directly issuing licenses for merch and the like directly. That basically means launching their own streaming service is the only viable option to get this content paid for and developed, because the alternative would be GW paying the production costs and then selling the streaming rights to Netflix/Amazon Prime, etc. but streaming rights don't really earn all that much, certainly not enough to recoup the production costs on their own. In short GW would be losing money streaming via Netflix, etc. unless that programming managed to drive more customers to GWs existing products, whereas on their own platform they can be assured of recouping the costs in full and funding further content without relying on additional plastic sales to make that possible.

This is the best way forward for GW, its extremely low risk and if it fails it doesn't really hurt GW financially.

I would have said there would have been far, far more benefit from selling the series to Netflix and the like and then reaching a massive audience/functioning as advertising.
Unless the stuff isn't up to standard?

Never going to happen. Netflix (or HBO or whomever) need to be able to profit from buying the rights to the show. Unless its the sort of property which is going to drive a lot of new users to a platform (which this isn't - the venn diagram of Warhammer fans and Netflix/HBO/Disney + subscribers, etc. might as well be a circle) that means merchandising rights, something that GW wouldn't give up if it could, and cannot give up because some of those rights (toys/games) overlap its core business and because its already licensed out plenty of rights which effectively already cuts Netflix/HBO, etc. out of the merchandising loop entirely (video games, clothing, etc.).


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beast_gts wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

It's not GW's app -

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Didn't notice that previously. Seems pretty likely that its a Disney+ partnership. Could be Apple TV + as well I suppose, but given that GW already has a known corporate relationship with Disney (by way of Marvel), that partnership seems more likely, and its quite likely that the Marvel comics partnership was part of the same negotiations and deal that resulted in the streaming contract.

 Mr Morden wrote:
None of the options - depends on the price and contents.

Pretty much this.

I’m a sucker for Exclusive Models, so the frequency of those and the overall price will be my main concerns.

If it’s say, £8 a month and quarterly Shiny New? Yeah I’d probably be ok regardless of the other perks.

beast_gts wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

It's not GW's app -

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Nothing is GW's app by that standard. They obviously hired some outside contractor to make their current "bespoke 40k app" too, and it sucks. Now this time they're claiming they hired somebody good instead of somebody terrible, and who knows, it could even be true...but you'd have to be pretty naive to take that at face value, especially when they don't actually drop the name.

It is entirely dependent on the price point, volume of content, nature of the content and what the other benefits are. At the moment we don't know much other than that the line up is quite diverse. If the animations are full TV style series and they bundle in things like access to the black library audio books, 40k app subscription, subscription access to all rules content along with updates etc. that might be interesting.

If it is just a load of fluff and tat I wouldn't normally be interested in to try and make an overpriced streaming service lacking in content look attractive then no... and that would be a shame because I'd love to see this succeed, but I suspect this is the most probably outcome at the moment. I'll watch the announcement on June 23rd with some interest though.

So with 11 titles, if episodes were weekly, you'd be looking at 7 hours of content if the 10 minute average cited for Blood Angels holds for all of them.

Interrogator is my top pick; if Pariah heavily features Inquisitor Draxus and Ephrael Stern, it's vying for the top spot; I think it will be slanted that way because there's another show in the line up that is Templars vs. Crons. Hammer and Bolter is important for the variety, but some episodes will be hit or miss.

I'm intrigued by Exodite, because I've long thought they may expand the Ynarri storyline and Aeldari culture as a whole by bringing in Exodites; this would also balance well against Orkish Beast Snaggas; support in the form of an animation feels right.

I could see an exclusive model for many of the animations.

I still don't have anywhere near enough information about this to really take a position on it, but I'm interested enough that I want to know more.

9% interest in the service with 150 respondents. Probably too small a sample size, but still... yikes.

But there wasn’t an option in the poll to wait and see what the offering is actually going to be. Of course people will be cautious given GWs prior digital offerings and with no actual understanding of what is going to be available.

You may as well just run a poll asking “Cake, or death?”.

Entirely laughable and obviously no.

Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Where did you get those numbers?

Absolutely not. I have to be given a really good fething deal to buy a subscription to something, and even with the talent they've grabbed for it I do not see WH+ being anywhere near a good deal.

Also, I feel like GW sort of tried this with those web artists they grabbed...I think it was around the start of 8th. The gal who did Eagle Ordinary, Turn Signals on a Land Raider, RuoyoArt, etc. Rhetorical question: how many of those artists are still doing webcomics for GW, how many of those comics lasted more than 12 episodes, and why isn't the answer to both questions "all of them"?

Because art is hard and you can't just keep churning out content all the time. Once they've got a gig doing their comic stuff for GW they might want to move on to somewhere else, I think one might have even gone on to do more with GW as an employee but I'm not 100% on that.

 JNAProductions wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Where did you get those numbers?

I made it up? Its a joke.

 waefre_1 wrote:
Absolutely not. I have to be given a really good fething deal to buy a subscription to something, and even with the talent they've grabbed for it I do not see WH+ being anywhere near a good deal.

Also, I feel like GW sort of tried this with those web artists they grabbed...I think it was around the start of 8th. The gal who did Eagle Ordinary, Turn Signals on a Land Raider, RuoyoArt, etc. Rhetorical question: how many of those artists are still doing webcomics for GW, how many of those comics lasted more than 12 episodes, and why isn't the answer to both questions "all of them"?

My engagement with those webcomics was precisely 0 from the get-go. Actually, I read the first issue of the TSOALR reboot, for old times sake... and it just didn't feel right, so I didn't continue.

Same with the Regimental Standard tbh, im surprised its still kicking around.

I voted No, partially because I don't really like "pay to watch for limited time" services, I prefer to buy boxed sets of series I like. Partially because knowing GW it will be excessively priced for what it actually offers. I'm not interested in a service comprised of 50% bolter porn, 30% AoS I have literally 0 interest in and 20% content I might actually like.
Now obviously, as of right now we know next to nothing about this new service and it might surprise me, so while I would not paint myself as hopeful for anything good, I am curious as to what GW is aiming at this time. If it actually offers content I like at a reasonable price I might consider it.

Weekly cartoon product tie-ins and for a fee? Hasbro on steroids GW has become, or perhaps Disney with a legacy to ruin. Methinks their marketing director enjoys a bit too much of the old Bolivian boxing powder. Now, will they do a Star Wars or an MCU? I expect more of the former... they are halfway there already.

Cawl is a heretic. Restartes are marines with PR people.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Not really. Considering that few people here actually hate the universe (most hate the game or parts of it), and that reception of this announcement has been similar in other communities, it's safe to assume that people are just not interested.

 JNAProductions wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Where did you get those numbers?

Probably how quickly muppets bought out the cursed city villains pack last weekend.

I currently subscribe to 3 streaming services - Disney+, Netflix and Amazon (though in Amazon's case it's more the Prime free delivery that brought me in). When I look at the value I get from those three at the prices I pay the GW service would have to be ridiculously cheap to draw me in.

With the main services there's a steady stream of new content and a huge back catalogue of stuff to watch too. Usually there are a couple of shows I'll watch with my wife and each of us will have a few shows we're watching ourselves, then there's the option to just throw on a random movie when we feel like it. Even then I've thought about cancelling some of those subscriptions more than once in the last year.

I'm trying to conceive of a business model that works for GW and the customer and I just can't see it unless it's part of a larger existing streaming service. There's no backlog of content to watch and what I've seen of their offerings so far is mostly fine but not exactly wowing me. I'm just trying to think what this service looks like on day 1. Let's say half of the 11 projects they announced are available on day 1. That's 5-6 animated shows, apparently all fairly short episode lengths. Let's be generous and say there are 6 shows and only 1 is not very good. That leaves 5 shows with around 60-80 minutes of content each. So I can binge them. Then what? How long before the next show is released? Even if the episodes are 25 minutes long that's still a bunch of content you can get through in a couple of weeks. I'm just struggling to see how GW could make the value proposition sufficiently attractive here.