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Well, that was a ROFLstomp for the Boyz. Felt like Ash didn't really try to play very hard, he advanced too wide too fast, and got krumpd.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's also the typical hard pendulum swing on GW's part.

Does this version have a more reasonable approach to stratagems, warlord traits and relics? Nope! You just get none of them! All gone. You can't bring even one from your book.

Instead have 3 generic strats, 5 generic traits, and a 6th trait that's a generic "You have a Relic" that is +1S/+1D.

They threw the baby out with the bathwater so hard that they lost their grip on the bath...

Which appeals to me very much. Less bespoke clutter causing issues, and more scope for player decision to be what is significant.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Also -
"You have to use the Boarding Action(TM) terrain to use these missions"
Lol, GW gonna GW.
Just use some shoe boxes and styrofoam to make corridors.

Haha, oh GW.

There is no much decision to be made. Unless it is picking an army, if someone has multiple ones. The games are very one dimensional, very swingy for some armies, and really hit some armies in the gonads, if they can't horde or don't have sticky objectives.

 stonehorse wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


Unfortunately, mine usually got chewed up by a tooled-up Deamon Prince, as they sucked badly in melee and We'll Be Back didn't work if they were cut down.

(You're right though, you'd always take a Resurrection Orb for that list.)

The Orb allowed you to roll for WBB even if hit by a power weapon or anything that ignores armour saves. So the lord could get back up.

The lord and his unit weren't killed - they fled (after inevitably losing combat) and were cut down - something not even a Resurrection Orb could save them from.


Back on topic, I'll be curious to see which factions pull ahead for this gametype (and whether it's the same ones that are strong with normal lists, or if others instead rise to the top).

They'll just re-add all of the stratagems, warlord traits, and relics in the future books in the series.

C O N T E N T

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They'll just re-add all of the stratagems, warlord traits, and relics in the future books in the series.

C O N T E N T

Shhh, GW patrol this forum. You've just given them ideas!

 vipoid wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


Unfortunately, mine usually got chewed up by a tooled-up Deamon Prince, as they sucked badly in melee and We'll Be Back didn't work if they were cut down.

(You're right though, you'd always take a Resurrection Orb for that list.)

The Orb allowed you to roll for WBB even if hit by a power weapon or anything that ignores armour saves. So the lord could get back up.

The lord and his unit weren't killed - they fled (after inevitably losing combat) and were cut down - something not even a Resurrection Orb could save them from.

Must have been 5th edition. In 3-4 the Crons would have still been rolling Ld10. Only in 5th did the number of casualties affect Ld. In 4th it was outnumbering.

I miss OldCrons. :(

Edit: oh sorry, was this thread about a new release? I'd rather play 4th ed again, with the books I already have. That's my on-topic contribution

Yup I am relatively hype.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

For me GWs pace is just too fast these days

Exactly this. Kill Team: Into The Dark wasn't released very long ago, and gives you precisely the tense, cramped Space-Hulky game they're now trying to re-package as 40k. Not only that, but the Kill Team season is rolling on in kind, re-selling Into The Dark again and again with very minor tweaks. Whoever designed that handful of Gallowdark hull sections must be getting a hell of a commission, because it's being sold at least 5 times in different boxes.

Slow down, GW.

Honestly no.

The sheer thougbt of painting that amount of walls and doors is a massive no go for me.

The idea is nice and it sounds like it could be fun but the terrain requirement does it for me.

(And yes I know theres plenty of ways of proxying the corriders but that sounds about as much fun as having paint the terrain to begin with)

Having watched both Guerrilla Miniature Games videos, I think the strict set up is a poor choice, especially as most of them look to be quite symmetrical and bland.

I would have thought it was more claustrophobic looking, but those corridors seem very wide.

I just watched the TTT battle report on this and I l am actually excited for this. It will be a nice change of pace from 2000 point battles, and this seems like a good way to play 500 points (those games don't work well with the regular rules in my opinion). I just hope GW doesn't just let it fade away like other supplements and releases more content of the next year or so.

 stonehorse wrote:
Having watched both Guerrilla Miniature Games videos, I think the strict set up is a poor choice, especially as most of them look to be quite symmetrical and bland.

I would have thought it was more claustrophobic looking, but those corridors seem very wide.

Oh, really? I watched (some of) the Tabletop Tactics video and was baffled by the wide open firing corridor and nigh-pointless side rooms on either side. I thought they didn't have enough walls painted and ready or something. If that's what its supposed to look like, I'm baffled by both the FOC restrictions and the general conceit that this a different type of battle. Its basically the dumb tournament 'magic walls' battlefield with a weak fluff excuse for why there are magic walls and no tanks (and whatever else your particular army is just randomly banned from taking).

To answer the original question, only very briefly!

Sounds cool and all, but I excitedly bought the first Kill Team box and have only got round to playing that once so far. Got Necromunda when that first released too and don't think we've even played that once so far. Don't need another variety of game to feel bad about ignoring...

Haven't been keeping up with rules since after halfway through 8th, but I would think Warp Spiders and Necron Wraiths would be really useful if they still have their ability to phase through objects.

 stonehorse wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They'll just re-add all of the stratagems, warlord traits, and relics in the future books in the series.

C O N T E N T

Shhh, GW patrol this forum. You've just given them ideas!

Uuh they already said that's what's happening

I like the flexible detachments and also feel the 3rd edition sentiment( the craftworlds supplement, back in the day, was pretty cool), but the indoor combat I've been enjoying since the previous edition of Kill Team. Nothing really more to say other than keep up the good work, GW.

That said, this indoor-patrol stuff feels like yet another missed opportunity for GW to throw in a supplement for solo-coop play. For example, a jolly party of Space Marine HQ characters( Primaris Lieutenant, Chaplain, Librarian, Terminator Captain ) explore a seemingly quiet sector of an Ark, only to find various Chaos Demons jumping out at every corner, earning experience and finding items of value. Larger monster characters could be thrown into the mix, ideally as chasers; one only needs to think of the Fellowship fleeing the Balrog, while fending off Goblin attacks. Maybe a pursuing Chaos Knight - if the Ark is large enough! - is tearing apart the walls while smaller demons will delay the party's progress.

But otherwise, its good so far.

Played a few games, it’s really fun. The doors give some really interesting defensive plays and make you really think about when to spring forward. My only complaint is some maps seem too open

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on how auras work in the boarding action rules?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick rundown on how auras work in the boarding action rules?

Auspex has covered it already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBtx6bKUr04

Apparently auras don't go through walls, but they can go around corners a bit.

If it was a free alternative game mode, or an article in WD I might actually consider it. But GW want to charge people for a book with a tiny amount of rules content, and then parcel out additional rules over the next 3 books too. It's just too much for what would, at most, be a cool little diversion form playing "regular" 40k games.

I was excited for it 6 months ago when they announced it for Kill Team but they just seem to be recycling the same content on a slightly larger scale. I would have thought a lot of the marketing punch of Space Hulk combat would be lost by deja vu. It also creates a split player base for effectively the same niche. A local meta now needs to support two spaceship boarding games instead of coalescing around one.

It's also a tricky sell in terms of the cost of outlay across the two groups. KT players could well already have all the terrain they need for this but they have already paid for boarding actions style rules. I know I'm not interested in the AoO book primarily because I've no need for another set of rules to do effectively the same thing. On the flip side a 40K player may well be happy with the book as they don't already have the content, but are they really going to spend £100+ on scenery that has no further use beyond this one type of game?

You could well end up in a situation where the people who own the rules and those who own the scenery end up being two separate groups. Yes there will be some overlap with the above groups but enough to sustain a new way to play 40K?

I doubt they want a sustainable new way to play 40k, sure that would be nice if it happened organically but the plan here is to make some quick bucks from terrain and rules. Old casual or grognard types who switch around rulesets may get it out from time to time if good enough, which lets face it is unlikely, it may he fun but id be amazed if it had enough depth for that and the modern players may have a game or two.

Which is no sleight on anyone excited for it, if it seems fun to you itll probably be fun for you but i cant see any long term plan here.

I quite like the idea in theory, but the fixed terrain layouts, requiring twice as much of the scenery as I already have for KT, the rules being parcelled out across 4 books and the likely impending arrival of a whole new edition that will invalidate those books before I've even had time to finish painting all that spaceship scenery have led me to decide I CBA with it. I'll stick to Space Hulk and KT for my spaceshippy Warhams I reckon.

I think this is a really cool idea but I'm not keen on getting yet another splat book. Too bad it wasn't a free pdf.

I'm interested but the high buy-in level has me hesitant. Anybody have any suggestions for alternative terrain (no access to 3D printer, sadly)?

 Necroagogo wrote:
I'm interested but the high buy-in level has me hesitant. Anybody have any suggestions for alternative terrain (no access to 3D printer, sadly)?

Getting the basic shape doesn’t seem too tricky as it’s all Right Angles, so foam core is your friend. Greeblies etc will depend on the depth of your Bitz box and that.

I think it's really cool, but there is no way i can justify buying the terrain set.

Very few people will buy the book or play the variant. New edition is coming in 6 months at which point half the rules in the variant probably break/become incompatible, etc. At best its perfectly playable in 10e but nobody touches it because they consider it to be outdated rules from the previous edition.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Necroagogo wrote:
I'm interested but the high buy-in level has me hesitant. Anybody have any suggestions for alternative terrain (no access to 3D printer, sadly)?

Getting the basic shape doesn’t seem too tricky as it’s all Right Angles, so foam core is your friend. Greeblies etc will depend on the depth of your Bitz box and that.

If you really want to go low budget just to get a feel for how much time/effort you want to dedicate to it, folding index cards to form a base and wall and then taping them together back-to-back should give you a taste. Would also mean you could start playing now and gradually build the actual terrain.