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Jeez I got here a bit late and the Warden Clans really moved quickly on this one.

Price increase- not cool. I don't really understand why people get so spun up trying to defend them, but great just keep on keeping on until you can't find anyone to play against.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder what expenses they expect their customers to cut from their lives in order to continue feeding the habit.

I don't think they care, I'd go a star as to expect you to pay the same for less kits over time.

It’s not just the pound tanking though.

Inflation is ridiculous here. Like, proper mental. As I said, formerly profitable businesses are closing because increases in electricity and gas prices has pushed them into the red, to the degree simply increasing prices won’t help, as to offset they’d price themselves out of pocket.

That’s well beyond GW’s control. The price rise still sucks, but folk painting it as corporate greed are short sighted at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst.

caladancid wrote:
Jeez I got here a bit late and the Warden Clans really moved quickly on this one.

Price increase- not cool. I don't really understand why people get so spun up trying to defend them, but great just keep on keeping on until you can't find anyone to play against.

I'm not defending a GW price raise, but simultaneously do you get outraged at fuel pumps and in the bread section etc?


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On 2nd thoughts I think we know why the WE combat patrol was delayed.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I member last year that Wargames atlantic did grant us some insights into the higher production costs for raw material.. something along 6 cents/ box i believe, which they told they'd just absorb.

Meanwhile GW slpas down a whole 1.5£ on top of their already orbitant prices. Ontop of the last round of increases.

Granted GW produces in the UK but frankly other countries with higher standing currency shouldn't increase for inflation alas, gw gonna gw and nickle and dime everyone they can.

Wargames Atlantic don’t have stores to maintain. Do they have their own factory? What sort of scale are they? Which country are they based in?

Because it’s more than just raw materials. The U.K. is taking a battering from power costs. Households have a pricing cap (which isn’t a cap) and some temporary government relief. Businesses do not. Small businesses which used to be profitable are closing down, because they can no longer afford or absorb their power costs - to a degree they can’t really pass on to the consumer, as it would push their prices higher than many can afford.

It sucks. But please don’t present false equivalencies.

they produce in the USA, moved their production at the time over and dealt with the same nonsense. hence why at the time GW's increase especially on old kits like the berzerkers was laughable.
And again they (GW) sell a lot of stuff outside of the UK, not every currency tanked over night because of some badly thought out and implemented decisions mad doc.

No but inflation being higher than usual isn't uk thing.

As is 6% is lower than usual inflation so relatively speaking models are becoming more affordable

Dudeface wrote:

caladancid wrote:
Jeez I got here a bit late and the Warden Clans really moved quickly on this one.

Price increase- not cool. I don't really understand why people get so spun up trying to defend them, but great just keep on keeping on until you can't find anyone to play against.

I'm not defending a GW price raise, but simultaneously do you get outraged at fuel pumps and in the bread section etc?

YES!
Sadly I'm not a bread nor fuel forum to rage on :(


But yeah I've noticed prices going up by significant amounts everywhere; food has crept up a lot even at the most affordable places like Aldi - £2 for butter now!

I think we can safely assume this will apply to the rest of the world, too. Given how GW does things, the 6% increase will be applied to the local price regardless of how much that actually is when converted to pounds sterling.

I wonder if GW realizes this ain't the 2010s any more. The more GW raises prices, the more 3d printers go brrrrrrrrrrr...

For reference?

A pint of Bitter, around August time, was £3.90 in my local. It’s now £4.70, and has been since November time, sometimes £4.80. Same pint. Same pub. Completely different cost.

I don’t particularly like it, but I understand the economics behind it all the same.

caladancid wrote:
I don't really understand why people get so spun up trying to defend them, but great just keep on keeping on until you can't find anyone to play against.

Because we're tired of people hating on GW for doing what every single profitable business does and not understanding economics beyond "GW SHOUDL GIVE ME CHEAPER TOYS". Prices always go up over time and GW is still cheap unless you have no impulse control.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder what expenses they expect their customers to cut from their lives in order to continue feeding the habit.

Who needs food or shelter when you have the precious little gems of wonder that are Games Workshop miniatures? (Or however that bit of phrasing went.)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not just the pound tanking though.

Inflation is ridiculous here. Like, proper mental. As I said, formerly profitable businesses are closing because increases in electricity and gas prices has pushed them into the red, to the degree simply increasing prices won’t help, as to offset they’d price themselves out of pocket.

That’s well beyond GW’s control. The price rise still sucks, but folk painting it as corporate greed are short sighted at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst.

I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate if you priced according to the country you sold in to beginn with, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

Not Online!!! wrote:
I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

Because GW, like every business, does not care about "fair". GW doesn't care one bit about your inflation rate because your inflation rate is not what determines their own finances. If anything the fact that your inflation rate is less than the UK rate means that GW should be more willing to raise prices in your country because the average resident of your country has more hobby money available to absorb the price increase, while a UK resident is more likely to be struggling to cover their food/rent/etc expenses.

 Psychopomp wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder what expenses they expect their customers to cut from their lives in order to continue feeding the habit.

Who needs food or shelter when you have the precious little gems of wonder that are Games Workshop miniatures? (Or however that bit of phrasing went.)

What’s the alternative though?

First, keep in mind GW’s sole responsibility is to the Shareholders. And that is to be as profitable as possible to maximise returns.

Now. U.K. inflation is ridiculous. Let’s not go into the whys and wherefores because Dakka Rules. But if you want support evidence it’s easy enough to find online. This will have hit GW’s profit margin, reducing it.

If they do nothing, they’re not meeting their responsibility to their Shareholders.

If they put their prices up to recover their profit margin? Well it could impact sales, sure, and profits may dip all the same. But unlike doing nothing, that’s not a guaranteed dip or reduction.

Simply laying off staff isn’t going to help either, such is the daft level of U.K. inflation.

Nobody has to like it, but please don’t pretend it’s not the driving factor.


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Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not just the pound tanking though.

Inflation is ridiculous here. Like, proper mental. As I said, formerly profitable businesses are closing because increases in electricity and gas prices has pushed them into the red, to the degree simply increasing prices won’t help, as to offset they’d price themselves out of pocket.

That’s well beyond GW’s control. The price rise still sucks, but folk painting it as corporate greed are short sighted at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst.

I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate if you priced according to the country you sold in to beginn with, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

On that you’d need to ask someone with more than a rudimentary understanding of economics. Because whilst I myself don’t have the answer to your question, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Though given the majority of their goods are manufactured in the U.K.? I’m not sure another country having more of a handle on inflation really comes into it.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

Because GW, like every business, does not care about "fair". GW doesn't care one bit about your inflation rate because your inflation rate is not what determines their own finances. If anything the fact that your inflation rate is less than the UK rate means that GW should be more willing to raise prices in your country because the average resident of your country has more hobby money available to absorb the price increase, while a UK resident is more likely to be struggling to cover their food/rent/etc expenses.

Fair never once was used, learn to read.
And gw will care about inflation rates of diffrent currencies merely because currency is a tool to invest in ergo more sales in the USA means that the $ they earned will be worth more than the punds they earned in their home market by the diffrence in value of said currencies. At that point about 3 % more.

I think the large tank prices (Dorn and Repulsor) are a bit much tbh. For what a Dorn offers in game, it's a bad value proposition. Eh, EBay will offer discounts.

Not too worried as I'm happy with what I have at this point, and the majority of their releases haven't been my cup of tea of late.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Fair never once was used, learn to read.
And gw will care about inflation rates of diffrent currencies merely because currency is a tool to invest in.

You didn't use the word "fair" but your argument of "why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW" is an argument about fairness. The entire premise is that it's unfair for you to have a price increase based on UK inflation and that there's some kind of fair price expectation that GW is violating.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not just the pound tanking though.

Inflation is ridiculous here. Like, proper mental. As I said, formerly profitable businesses are closing because increases in electricity and gas prices has pushed them into the red, to the degree simply increasing prices won’t help, as to offset they’d price themselves out of pocket.

That’s well beyond GW’s control. The price rise still sucks, but folk painting it as corporate greed are short sighted at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst.

Why can’t we hope GW learns from the people mentioned n your paragraph above, or end up sharing their fate?

Even if this one decision was understandable, GW is teetering on a mountain of bad decisions and customer-unfriendly practices stretching back more than a decade. They don’t deserve a pass on facing a backlash as a consequence for the sun or their decisions.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not just the pound tanking though.

Inflation is ridiculous here. Like, proper mental. As I said, formerly profitable businesses are closing because increases in electricity and gas prices has pushed them into the red, to the degree simply increasing prices won’t help, as to offset they’d price themselves out of pocket.

That’s well beyond GW’s control. The price rise still sucks, but folk painting it as corporate greed are short sighted at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst.

I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate if you priced according to the country you sold in to beginn with, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

If they don't design, produce or operate out of your country, then their overheads/production costs are all increased relative to where it occurs - the UK. It doesn't cost them less to produce and ship the product to your country magically.

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I member last year that Wargames atlantic did grant us some insights into the higher production costs for raw material.. something along 6 cents/ box i believe, which they told they'd just absorb.

Meanwhile GW slpas down a whole 1.5£ on top of their already orbitant prices. Ontop of the last round of increases.

Granted GW produces in the UK but frankly other countries with higher standing currency shouldn't increase for inflation alas, gw gonna gw and nickle and dime everyone they can.

Wargames Atlantic don’t have stores to maintain. Do they have their own factory? What sort of scale are they? Which country are they based in?

Because it’s more than just raw materials. The U.K. is taking a battering from power costs. Households have a pricing cap (which isn’t a cap) and some temporary government relief. Businesses do not. Small businesses which used to be profitable are closing down, because they can no longer afford or absorb their power costs - to a degree they can’t really pass on to the consumer, as it would push their prices higher than many can afford.

It sucks. But please don’t present false equivalencies.

they produce in the USA, moved their production at the time over and dealt with the same nonsense. hence why at the time GW's increase especially on old kits like the berzerkers was laughable.
And again they (GW) sell a lot of stuff outside of the UK, not every currency tanked over night because of some badly thought out and implemented decisions mad doc.

No but inflation being higher than usual isn't uk thing.

As is 6% is lower than usual inflation so relatively speaking models are becoming more affordable

“More affordable”? Do you think pay rises with inflation, or has in a generation?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I member last year that Wargames atlantic did grant us some insights into the higher production costs for raw material.. something along 6 cents/ box i believe, which they told they'd just absorb.

Meanwhile GW slpas down a whole 1.5£ on top of their already orbitant prices. Ontop of the last round of increases.

Granted GW produces in the UK but frankly other countries with higher standing currency shouldn't increase for inflation alas, gw gonna gw and nickle and dime everyone they can.

Wargames Atlantic don’t have stores to maintain. Do they have their own factory? What sort of scale are they? Which country are they based in?

Because it’s more than just raw materials. The U.K. is taking a battering from power costs. Households have a pricing cap (which isn’t a cap) and some temporary government relief. Businesses do not. Small businesses which used to be profitable are closing down, because they can no longer afford or absorb their power costs - to a degree they can’t really pass on to the consumer, as it would push their prices higher than many can afford.

It sucks. But please don’t present false equivalencies.

they produce in the USA, moved their production at the time over and dealt with the same nonsense. hence why at the time GW's increase especially on old kits like the berzerkers was laughable.
And again they (GW) sell a lot of stuff outside of the UK, not every currency tanked over night because of some badly thought out and implemented decisions mad doc.

No but inflation being higher than usual isn't uk thing.

As is 6% is lower than usual inflation so relatively speaking models are becoming more affordable

“More affordable”? Do you think pay rises with inflation, or has in a generation?

If the price went up with inflation then they'd cost more, it didn't go up as much as inflation, so costs less than it should.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For reference?

A pint of Bitter, around August time, was £3.90 in my local. It’s now £4.70, and has been since November time, sometimes £4.80. Same pint. Same pub. Completely different cost.

I don’t particularly like it, but I understand the economics behind it all the same.

You just mentioned a bunch of companies going out of business, and I know you’ve been following the energy/heating cost crisis. Do you think this is a sustainable attitude for a luxury business to have?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For reference?

A pint of Bitter, around August time, was £3.90 in my local. It’s now £4.70, and has been since November time, sometimes £4.80. Same pint. Same pub. Completely different cost.

I don’t particularly like it, but I understand the economics behind it all the same.

You just mentioned a bunch of companies going out of business, and I know you’ve been following the energy/heating cost crisis. Do you think this is a sustainable attitude for a luxury business to have?

Yes, in the short term. Do you think tanking the companies value is a sustainable attitude for any company?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For reference?

A pint of Bitter, around August time, was £3.90 in my local. It’s now £4.70, and has been since November time, sometimes £4.80. Same pint. Same pub. Completely different cost.

I don’t particularly like it, but I understand the economics behind it all the same.

You just mentioned a bunch of companies going out of business, and I know you’ve been following the energy/heating cost crisis. Do you think this is a sustainable attitude for a luxury business to have?

The problem is everything goes up in price; so people spend less; so everything goes up in price; so people spend less; so everything goes up in price.

It seems to be the consumer model we are in - everything keeps going up until it hits a breaking point then it all comes crashing down and we start over again.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

Because GW, like every business, does not care about "fair". GW doesn't care one bit about your inflation rate because your inflation rate is not what determines their own finances. If anything the fact that your inflation rate is less than the UK rate means that GW should be more willing to raise prices in your country because the average resident of your country has more hobby money available to absorb the price increase, while a UK resident is more likely to be struggling to cover their food/rent/etc expenses.

And you still buy from this company? Do you still try to introduce friends to this hobby?

Good news, UK inflation has peaked. Bad news, energy bills are still in a gak state. If you're angry now, just strap in for the same next year.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Do you think this is a sustainable attitude for a luxury business to have?

Why not? GW is clearly working with a business model focused on long-term committed players with money to spend and their prices are still cheap relative to adult hobbies unless you have very poor impulse control (in which case you're a whale and GW loves you).

Love these threads. they are just excellent exercises in ineffectual raging.

GW doesn't raise prices because raw materials increase in price, or because of inflation, or for any other external reason. they raise prices for the same reason any professionally managed company does: they did a market study, and determined that they should change the price, and that the market would bear a greater price.

TL;DR - GW raises prices for the same reason a dog licks his balls... because they can.

Removed - rule #1 please.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not just the pound tanking though.

Inflation is ridiculous here. Like, proper mental. As I said, formerly profitable businesses are closing because increases in electricity and gas prices has pushed them into the red, to the degree simply increasing prices won’t help, as to offset they’d price themselves out of pocket.

That’s well beyond GW’s control. The price rise still sucks, but folk painting it as corporate greed are short sighted at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst.

I am sorry, mad doc but explain to me, whilest the local inflation is 3.2 % and the UK's is something like 10.5 why i should PAY more in a currency that in relation is worth more now to GW? And already had to pay more because GW' likes to have magical currency exchange rates to the rest of the world?

Correct would be to increase in the countries to their inflation rate if you priced according to the country you sold in to beginn with, or if you fear for customers at lower than it and take that on the earnings if you are concerned about getting rid of your stockpile, because let's not pretend GW didn't have some seriously fat years the last few ones.

If they don't design, produce or operate out of your country, then their overheads/production costs are all increased relative to where it occurs - the UK. It doesn't cost them less to produce and ship the product to your country magically.

Again, their production cost increased in £, the value of the currency they earned increased however aswell depending where they sold comparatively to the pounds loss in value. Nobody forces GW to automatically convert one currency into another. Contrary it'd be smart right now for them not to convert any that loses less value than the pound.