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2014/09/01 15:22:18
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
And apparently /v/ has decided to take this to completely trolly level by backing the characters appearance in FYC's campaign "Vivian James Presents - Women in Game Design" a youtube series introducing various women in the Games Industry;
I have a feeling they're really enjoying messing with what everyone expects from them at the moment XD
I think this is their theme song at the moment to be honest;
Honestly, 4Chan is the Mob, the mindless, angry mob with pitchforks and torches as a collective. It kinda warms me heart to see that Mob not putting up with Anita's poop.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
2014/09/01 16:05:05
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I'm just impressed that for whatever reason, the mob is taking the high road. Maybe they're doing it just to mess with everyone's head, but w/e, the high road is the high road XD
Sigvatr wrote: 4chan and /v/ doing a honestly good thing.
What is this?
I guess Satan is freezing right now, while Sadam Hussein and Damien are having a huge snowball fight!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/01 17:20:20
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
This one from Milo Yiannopoulos. This guy wears his politics on his sleeve, jacket, pants and hat, but the article is fairly neutral given his obvious bias. An excerpt:
Instead of addressing allegations of corruption, examining their own prejudices and giving consideration to an industry-wide failure to provide any kind of acceptable service, the games press rounded on its own readers, accusing them of bigotry and misogyny and refusing to acknowledge that the community was sick of being lectured to and guilt-tripped on a daily basis by hypocrites and liars.
A very nice lady by the name of Christina Sommers has made it clear that the author of the above article is already getting harrassed:
Gaming websites are currently posting articles with titles such as "The End of Gamers" "Gamers are Over" and "The Death of an Identity", painting a picture of a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted community that is wailing with despair as it collapses. But the journalists posting these articles don't understand the situation correctly. Gamers don't oppose the SJW agenda because they are bigots; they oppose it because it's annoying.
It's annoying to hear someone tell you that you must be politically correct at all times. It's annoying to hear someone tell developers what kind of content should and should not be allowed in video games. It's annoying to hear someone give a low score to a game because something in it offended them. It's annoying to hear someone complain about the content in a game, when the game was clearly designed for a different target demographic.
Game developers should be able to develop whatever games they want. If a game developer wants their protagonist to be a white, straight, cis male, that should be okay. If a game developer wants their protagonist to be a black, lesbian, transgendered female, that should be okay, too. If a game developer wants their protagonist to be a busty girl wearing nothing more than dental floss, that should also be okay.
Game developers should be free to develop any kind of game they want, with whatever content they want, with whatever protagonist they want - and that includes straight, white, cis males. No game developer should feel obligated to please every possible minority. No game developer should feel obligated to be 100% politically correct at all times. And no game journalist should feel entitled to slander game developers for developing content that isn't aimed towards them.
I have found the 'Death of Gamers' angle to be utterly baffling. I have no idea why anyone would take that from recent events unless they're really just not paying attention/don't care. That entire series of articles so far from anything approaching reality I have no idea what to make of them. It's like someone took some drugs and just started typing.
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IDK. This entire thing has become such a massive and confusing mess, it might be a months or years before we actually get anyone to look back and try to piece together what has really been going on. The games press has been chaos the past few weeks. I don't think anything definitive can really be said about it. It's all too hot and crazy right now to actually draw any objective conclusions.
It's freaking scorched earth on all sides.
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Gamers don't oppose the SJW agenda because they are bigots; they oppose it because it's annoying.
Can someone explain to me if I am supposed to be a gamer, a SJW, or maybe even both at the same time?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/01 17:58:54
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I've never much liked the phrase SJW simply because back when I joined the interwebs it meant something very different*. Today, you don't see the kind of people that phrase initially referred to around anymore, and I feel like those people poisoned the well for everyone who has followed who just isn't the same kind of person. It just seems to get thrown out these days at anyone who is on the internet and concerns themselves with social issues as if there's something inherently wrong with that, and I don't much like it so I avoid the phrase entirely.
*SJW originated way back in the early 90's (pretty much the beginning of the internet) and it referred to a specific kind of internet troll who would invade chat rooms and message boards and try to force people to talk about social issues (in places with completely different subjects like tech boards) and anyone who refused was called a bigot. This doesn't happen anymore. In my time on Dakka, we've only had 2 such trolls. One was banned in under an hour (a hilarious hour) and the other didn't last a week.
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LordofHats wrote: IDK. This entire thing has become such a massive and confusing mess, it might be a months or years before we actually get anyone to look back and try to piece together what has really been going on. The games press has been chaos the past few weeks. I don't think anything definitive can really be said about it. It's all too hot and crazy right now to actually draw any objective conclusions.
Hitman 2:
sold more than 3.7 million copies as of 23 April 2009 and is the best selling Hitman game to date.
We have objective data. If you don't like the trope, don't buy the game. If it doesn't affect the bottom line, the people and press can complain all they want and the developers probably don't care. They might consider it, but they have a formula that makes money, they're going to use it til it stops making money.
2014/09/01 18:09:43
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
*SJW originated way back in the early 90's (pretty much the beginning of the internet) and it referred to a specific kind of internet troll who would invade chat rooms and message boards and try to force people to talk about social issues (in places with completely different subjects like tech boards) and anyone who refused was called a bigot. This doesn't happen anymore. In my time on Dakka, we've only had 2 such trolls. One was banned in under an hour (a hilarious hour) and the other didn't last a week.
One could argue that we still have one or more of such people among our active users. But alas, that would lead off-topic so I'll rather let this one fly.
I know the issues are somewhat connected, but I'm talking about GamerGate and all the madness going on with that, not the criticism of specific titles, so no, that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
If you don't like the trope, don't buy the game.
Still failing at critical reading I see.
One could argue that we still have one or more of such people among our active users.
I know who you mean and no. Mel is not the kind of person that term originally referred to.
Imagine you and I are talking about physics. Just physics. Some random question about space time that's completely apolitical. Then some poster (named HomelessBob) jumps in and starts calling us bigots for having our fancy physics conversation when there are real problems in the world. Naturally, you and I say "wtf are you on about" because we're just confused to gak by this random off topic insertion that has nothing to do with what we're talking about and Homeless bob just keeps berating us.
Mel has never done that (like I said, we've only had 2 users in the past 7 years I'd call that kind of troll). Talking about feminism in threads about feminism or bringing up sexism in games in a thread about a game isn't anywhere close to what that term originally referred to. I get that now people use it completely different, but in my head I can't disconnect that old meaning with its newer broader meaning, so I just don't use it at all. And on top of that, I feel like those old 'SJW' trolls have poisoned the well for modern activists, who get treated like trolls despite they're behavior being very different.
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First, fix your quotes, you're failing at quoting and seeing the point.
The point is, who cares about the game journalism, they can be in chaos and collapse in on themselves. Is it affecting the bottom line of those making the game? nope
The developers are still making money and they're still making games that sell well.
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2014/09/01 18:41:28
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
sirlynchmob wrote: Are you going to fix your post? You're quoting me for something I never said.
No. I'm not.
Don't worry. I find most people actually read the thread they're in. Anyone who can't keep straight who said what just because a name isn't blared over the quote box probably has nothing useful to say anyway EDIT: Actually no, gonna be straight. I'm not going to do it, because I'm amazed you're really throwing a temper tantrum over that. It's too funny to fix.
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I don't like the term "SJW" because it's an attack on the person rather than their argument, if you have a problem with someone's opinion tell my why you feel that way by bringing up explanations in your counterargument. Just calling them an SJW tells me nothing about why you feel that way,
other than you disagree with the person.
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2014/09/01 19:36:09
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
There are women in the gaming industry we should support, the actual developers and programmers of gaming, not those who just take attention to a topic.
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EDIT: Actually no, gonna be straight. I'm not going to do it, because I'm amazed you're really throwing a temper tantrum over that. It's too funny to fix.
