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 deviantduck wrote:
 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
All of this things people listed above plus the cost. I have the mosaic bases from Micro Art studios that are about a buck a piece. The 32s are closer to $2 each. On top of that, the bases are really detailed and take forever to paint. So, I have to invest a lot of time and money now to convert my ~80 painted and based infantry. Then, I'm left with 80 painted 25mm bases that are useless.

I'll get over it. I'll convert them. I'm just not excited about it. So... lame.

 
   
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I won't. If anyone has any problem about me playing with minis on bases of the same size they came with, they can go feth themselves.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
I won't. If anyone has any problem about me playing with minis on bases of the same size they came with, they can go feth themselves.


Bingo, who cares what base size they're on, cuz it sure isn't modeling for advantage. Now if you base the new ones on 25mm, that would be for advantage.
   
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I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?

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 frozenwastes wrote:
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?


It definitely seemed like that's what they were doing...but now I guess it's more "power armour and anything better is 32mm+" and everything "below" that isn't?

But then characters from sets like Blackstone Fortress are on 32mm when they really shouldn't be (eldar and kroot).

I dunno. I do wish they had more consistency going on here.

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GW never cared that much about bases. In 40k, it's a minor annoyance thanks to how the rules handles measures - you can easily play with 25mm or 32 mm without a major shift in close combat unlike in AoS, for example.

When I had my metal sisters, I based them on 32 mm Imperialis bases. They looked great (25 mm for metal sisters are a bit "cramped") and gave them more stability given the weight of the miniature.

It's not a surprise they did it for plastic sisters. I'm sure you can put them on 25 mm if you want, but they are way more stable on 32 mm IMHO. Especially for the Seraphims.

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yea, 32mm for sisters is probably for the best.

Can't help but notice not EVERYTHING is on 32mm, so its clearly a deliberate decision and not "just because"

You got power armor in 32", and you got 25" (or 28"?) for people without power armor-creating a clear differentiation.


Overall I'm hyped.
I'm no imperial, but the sisters were always a cool army, and its great to watch them finally getting proper support.
Heck my roomate isn't intrested at all in 40k, and she's considering getting herself some nuns XD (she's into hobby stuff in general, just not wargaming)

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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 BoomWolf wrote:

You got power armor in 32", and you got 25" (or 28"?) for people without power armor-creating a clear differentiation.


It's 25 mm for now. Warcry introduced a new round base of 28 mm, but so far, it's specific to this GW skirmish game. And the reason invoked for Warcry was indeed to differentiate the various categories of warriors that otherwise look very similar ("light" are on 25mm, "medium" on 28 mm and "heavy/elite" on 32mm - of course, everything is fethed up when you introduce the AoS factions, that are still set on the existing bases before Warcry, and thus don't obey the same categories - it only applies to the chaos warband new plastic kits). Of course, we got some players not happy with GW introducing a new base size, but GW does it for quite some time now. I still remember when they put the plastic Genestealer Patriarch on a oval base.

Most of the time, GW invokes the "rule of cool". Also, it's a way to incite players to buy the new kits, since they got the "official base size". But never GW is saying you have to rebase everything. How many Space Marine players still play with their "not Primaris" troops on the "old" 25 mm, after all ? And like I said, sure there is a difference in game (bigger bases do cover a bigger space, after all), but since there are as many advantages as inconviences to this and they don't technically break the game as it is, only the hardcore competitive players are obtuse enough to refuse to play against your army because it's still set on the older base size.

In AoS, it's completely a different matter, thanks to how measures are made in close combat...and here, using a different base size changes a crucial part of the game (since melee is much more important in AoS than in 40k).

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 frozenwastes wrote:
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?


Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont

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 Kawauso wrote:
But then characters from sets like Blackstone Fortress are on 32mm when they really shouldn't be (eldar and kroot).

I dunno. I do wish they had more consistency going on here.


I'll have to rattle through my GSC minis, but I'm reasonably sure none of those characters are on 25 mm, either real wide stances or attached minions for scale buffing. Not sure when the last actual character came out on 25mm. Could be they're being consistent about that rather than troop type you'd associate them with?
   
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GSC Biophagus from this year is on a 25 mm base. He's the only GSC character on that base size IIRC.
   
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 vipoid wrote:


I suppose all I'm saying is that (to me at least) the Mistress of Repentance looks far more like a Canoness than the actual Canoness model.

She certainly looks far more like the army leader, given her more dynamic pose and eye-catching braziers.


Time for a kit bash then, I guess. Doesn't seem too hard to switch their gear around.

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 Grundz wrote:
 frozenwastes wrote:
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?


Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont


Because the sisters wear power armour and the skitarii does not?

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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 Grundz wrote:
 frozenwastes wrote:
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?


Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont


(Psst, I don't think he realizes you can take bases off of stuff and put new ones on)

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ERJAK wrote:
 Grundz wrote:
 frozenwastes wrote:
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?


Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont


(Psst, I don't think he realizes you can take bases off of stuff and put new ones on)


now that's funny
   
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Ha! I knew they would increase the base size!

Now I'm glad I didn't start painting my old metal Minis now...welp! time to buy a bunch of 32mm bases.

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Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it
   
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Yeah, in 40k there's nothing in the rules that address base size directly, and historically speaking GW's stance on base sizes has been "use what the models came with".

I think its only AoS that really cares about base sizes.

It is true though that in 8th ed having a larger base size would mean its easier to get in combat and use auras. The flip size though is that its also easier for your opponent to get in combat with you, and its harder to use cover as all models have to be on the terrain feature to get the save. Bigger base = larger footprint = harder to use terrain.

Also consistency is nice. Seeing a mix of 25mm and 32mm bases can be quite irksome, especially if the models are on display.

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 CURNOW wrote:
Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it


Aesthetics and consistency matter to many people psychologically.

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 CURNOW wrote:
Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it


As Kawauso says. I hate rebasing, but a uniform base size and type helps an army look coherent and uniform (ie... like an army).
The genestealer cult drives me batty with different base sizes for characters and even within units. That genestealers are 25, neophytes are 25 (except gunners), but acolytes are 32 just strikes me as either crazy or grand level of indifference to aesthetics and army composition on GW's part.

That they're clearly going for the same thing for Sisters (especially with the Hospitaler, but also the Mistress Superior) is really annoying.

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tneva82 wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.


Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.


A couple of the AoS SC boxes are the monopose E2B models from the old starter, so there is some precedent. There are other normal ones available for the factions though.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.


Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.


A couple of the AoS SC boxes are the monopose E2B models from the old starter, so there is some precedent. There are other normal ones available for the factions though.

Stormcast got a Vanguard Chamber one and Khorne has a Daemons one. Effectively, they are both two different 'forces' within the main setup.
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, in 40k there's nothing in the rules that address base size directly, and historically speaking GW's stance on base sizes has been "use what the models came with".

I think its only AoS that really cares about base sizes.

It is true though that in 8th ed having a larger base size would mean its easier to get in combat and use auras. The flip size though is that its also easier for your opponent to get in combat with you, and its harder to use cover as all models have to be on the terrain feature to get the save. Bigger base = larger footprint = harder to use terrain.

Also consistency is nice. Seeing a mix of 25mm and 32mm bases can be quite irksome, especially if the models are on display.


AoS base size is massive. 25mm is so massively superior to 32 it's not even funny.

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Anyone have an educated guess as to the price of the box set?

Guesstimate in USD

Limited Codex: 120
Penitent Engine: 50
Cannoness: 35
Seraphim: 40
Repentia + Mistress: 40
Battle Sisters: 60
Arco-Flagellants: 30

We could see a value of 350-375 bucks worth of product... Would they dare set the price at something like 250+?
   
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I must have missed it, but what's the ETA on the codex?

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phillv85 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.


Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.


See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.


And your speculation is based on what? Literally every sc is full kit. If they wanted monoposes in sc plenty opportunities for that. They haven't.


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ERJAK wrote:
 Grundz wrote:
 frozenwastes wrote:
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?


Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont


(Psst, I don't think he realizes you can take bases off of stuff and put new ones on)


Which is costly time consuming process that can easily damage model and paint job . You know how expensive it would be for me to rebase my orks to 32mm? over 200 pounds. As a minimum. Without factoring in time spent doing new bases and repairing models and paint job.

Screw you to anybody who insists i should rebase

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tneva82 wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.


Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.


See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.


And your speculation is based on what? Literally every sc is full kit. If they wanted monoposes in sc plenty opportunities for that. They haven't.




My speculation is based on the fact they're making these monopose models then discontinuing them as soon as the box set is done. It doesn't make sense financially to create the designs, then the mold, then make a few thousand of them then chuck the lot in the bin. Also SC boxes were the first thing that were targeted in price hikes. I think they're looking at ways of getting people an SC box they can't or don't want to really spam a bunch of times to make an army. Another thing is that there is currently no SC CSM box. I mean they could throw the brand new models in the box with a Chaos Lord and some bikes, but why not use the new sprues you made that are sat idle rather than eating into the sales of your new models?

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Again that's something they have done before so not really good argument.

Also depending on how sprue design works out there's another use for them. ETB boxes.

But so far they have done NOTHING that hasn't been done before. When everything is going as before there's no real reason to expect radical change in future either.

And SC boxes don't come right away from solo kits. The new chaos marine box is fairly new so not ready yet for SC box introduction.

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I doubt they will be only putting out a few thousand of these boxes. This is to get people down with a whole new army. so I'd imagine the " Limited " run will be extremely generous. They want to get people to get a foot in the army to feed them all the new releases to come along with it more fully. As well they will want people to double dip with the holiday sets and this box make it a double whammy for some customers.

So if they are smart it'll be at a good price as the first taste, then have the breath taken away later on.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Again that's something they have done before so not really good argument.

Also depending on how sprue design works out there's another use for them. ETB boxes.

But so far they have done NOTHING that hasn't been done before. When everything is going as before there's no real reason to expect radical change in future either.

And SC boxes don't come right away from solo kits. The new chaos marine box is fairly new so not ready yet for SC box introduction.


It's not an argument, it's what I think they're going to do, and the reasons I think they're going to do them. I don't expect everyone to be convinced. It's a logical step that they may or may not take. I think they will, you obviously don't.

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