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**Melissia**

Bindi Baji wrote:
So the order would be DE, GK, Nec then SoB?

And I guess your previous guess of 18 months away still holds?

something like that and 18 months ish, depending entirely on how many codexes we see next year, I understand there is another marine codex further away that may be bumped up if things go tits up on "crons" or "sob".

Vhalyar wrote:I'm curious if you still think that it'll be GK centric or some sort of combined Inquisition though.

there is definately an inquisition supplement/codex/thingamy/expansion/g-string that sounds likely for next year,
I do know it will feature a good few inquisitor's, their retinue and no bananas(that's entirely a guess, it may include bananas).

I believe (but don't know) that there will be no inquisitors in either the GK or SOB codexes/codecii/codecexii/cocodamol/coconuts,
however the inquisitor supplement/codex/thingamy/expansion/g-string will allow inquisitors to commandeer/ally with any imperial forces,
meaning you can still have inquisitors with your GK/SOB if you so wish.

There really is no "combined inquisition codex", it is complete wishlisting/chinese whispers

From Heresy Online, the latest bit of rumors on GW's plans for upcoming armies. If this turns out to be true, I think it'd be for the best as far as the Inquisition goes. Modernize the Inquisition units, and give them a supplement based specifically around the allies rules, so that it can be balanced the best it can without effecting the other armies in question (GK and SoB). This also goes along with most rumors that place DE as the next codex, to be released sometime later this year, and hints at a Necron codex sometime next year, which I'm certain Necron fans will be happy about.

edit: Standard caveats about rumors apply of course, but this does confirm the rumors the BoLS Lounge posters have been hearing for a while now.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

interesting if this turns out to be true....

**Aduro**

Coconuts, Bananas and G-Strings... We know where this guy's mind is. Or at least mine.

**oni**

HURRAY! A book/supliment/hooker that will force you to buy 4 other books/supliments/hookers.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Aduro wrote:Coconuts, Bananas and G-Strings... We know where this guy's mind is. Or at least mine.

it is days like today i am glad i am not human

**Melissia**

oni wrote:HURRAY! A book/supliment/hooker that will force you to buy 4 other books/supliments/hookers.

So what, you're saying you don't want a six-some with you and five hookers?

But seriously, an allies supplement would be just the kind of thing GW would do, and it's completely optional.

**Kroothawk**

Well, good to know that this "Bindi Baji" is admitting frankly that he is guessing a lot ("GK's are still not that far off, I believe january but after my last guess I will have to be careful with my choice of words.") and doesn't know much. Still he repeats what is the most believable set of rumours since March. This is how I summarized these rumours on 21st of March:

Kroothawk wrote:Just for the record: Current rumours supported by credible posters say the following:

1.) Both Grey Knights and Sororitas will get a new Codex EACH (not just one Inquisition Codex), both are currently worked on
2.) All Grey Knight models got a resculpt, many have been spotted by insiders. Standard GKs of course in plastic (Terminators?).
3.) Grey Knights seem to be the autumn SM Codex release. A Storm Raven release is part of that.

Less confirmed is the rumour, that both Codices do not include Inquisition or at least concentrate on non-Inquisition stuff, turning to Ecclesia in the case of Sororitas and that Inquisition will be part of separate rules (supplement? WD?). Still this rumour makes sense to me.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/283957.page
These rumours still make sense to me, with only the Grey Knight Codex delayed a bit.

Edit: BTW Grey Knight Codex (again) by Phil Kelly, Sororitas Codex started by Andy Hoare before he left GW (GD confirmation, unknown who took over Sororitas Codex).

**Skarboy**

Overall, seems like a reasonable list of projects and order, getting the oldest codexes updated within the year plus. That would, IIRC, eliminate all the codexes with any ties to 3rd Edition. Then, there's a whole ****pile of codexes from 4th that need love. Seriously, quite a bit could be accomplished with a point cost adjustment and comprehensive FAQ/update. Could they not do that for the existing codexes? Oh, right, forgot this is GW I'm talking about...

**Melissia**

Kroothawk wrote:Edit: BTW Grey Knight Codex (again) by Phil Kelly, Sororitas Codex started by Andy Hoare before he left GW (GD confirmation, unknown who took over Sororitas Codex).

A pity. Andy Hoare did a decent enough job with Sisters fluff in Dark Heresy.

Here's hoping they focus on the crusader knight ideal rather than the martyr one. The previous focus on martyrdom in the fluff leads to Sisters being depicted as fething retards.

**George Spiggott**

When did Andy Hoare leave?

**Melissia**

Month or two ago. There was something on the BoLS Blog about it I think.

**Aduro**

I think Sisters should stick with the Martyr theme. You've already got Black Templar for the crusading knights ideal.

**Melissia**

The martyr theme has led to the majority of Sisters fluff being effectively "a bunch of sisters die here, and then a bunch of sisters die there, and they never win any battles".

That does not attract new players to the army.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Aduro wrote:I think Sisters should stick with the Martyr theme. You've already got Black Templar for the crusading knights ideal.

Sisters had it first.

black Templars can be the masocistic martyr brigade.

**Brother SRM**

If this were true, how would they release rules for Inquisitors? A whole new codex just for Inquisitors would be silly. Would the recent rules release for the Nightspinner be any indication of how it would be handled? I'm wondering how successful that was. Putting Inquisitors in a WD would sell a lot of copies.

**Melissia**

I'm thinking a supplement for allies in normal games, much like the allies chart for apocalypse but toned down and regulated more for smaller points games. It could also have rules for mercenaries as well.

**Aduro**

I image it will look much like the old Assassins Codex, and be of similar size.

**Void_walker**

Brother SRM wrote:If this were true, how would they release rules for Inquisitors? A whole new codex just for Inquisitors would be silly. Would the recent rules release for the Nightspinner be any indication of how it would be handled? I'm wondering how successful that was. Putting Inquisitors in a WD would sell a lot of copies.

The only way that I can think of is by doing a "pure" Inquisitor list with all the different factions and all branches, as each would have a different set of special rules and allies.
Book would have a great amount of fluff in it IMO

**Whatever1**

Aduro wrote:I image it will look much like the old Assassins Codex, and be of similar size.

I would think that it would have to be thicker than the Assassins 'dex. You've got Inquisitors,all the different rules for the servitors in his retinue,Imperial Assassins,Death Cult Assassins,Daemonhosts,Penitent Engines,Arco-Flagellants,etc.

**Melissia**

Penitent Engines and Arco-Flagellants are tools of the Ecclesiarchy (and therefor the Sisters of Battle), not the Inquisition.

**Skarboy**

Fantasy battle had a Dogs of War supplement long ago with a variety of mercenaries. No reason GW couldn't roll the Inquisitors into something like that. God forbid the IG or SW live without their precious Mystics or anything.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Undecided how I feel.

1 - I love the Inqusition, the Shinny Space Marines do little for me but the crazy guys in dresses with their bondage ninjas and freaky midgets are pure win. Would hate to see them go away. I won't even add up how many models would be invalidated.
2 - If they're really getting a minidex, and it is a minidex NOT apoc rules or optional rules then hurray! I think GW's golden age was 2000-2005 when they practically had a new army list in every WD. I can't imagine why they stopped that.

**grizgrin**

I like the idea of 3 discrete documents, except for the fact that it clogs up an already criminally behind release schedule. The fact that we are well into 5th edition, and are just cleaning up 3rd ed books, is outrageous. If GW could get all their gak in one sock they would be amazing.

Not bitching, however. I mean hey, not even the most dedicated fanboi or grrl can seriously expect them to fix EVERYTHING that is fethed up in their corporate culture/business model anytime soon. I will take what I can get.

**Janthkin**

Melissia wrote:I'm thinking a supplement for allies in normal games, much like the allies chart for apocalypse but toned down and regulated more for smaller points games. It could also have rules for mercenaries as well.

I can't see this. Not after all the work they've done to excise "allies" and cross-book units from WHFB, and pulling the Daemons out of the CSM codex.

**Kroothawk**

George Spiggott wrote:When did Andy Hoare leave?

Post by Reds8n from 9th November 2009 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/264719.page

reds8n wrote: Andy Hoare left GW a month or two back. he's currently doing various bits of freelance work -- including some stuff for/with FFG and their Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader lines.

He's also one of the guys behind Outcast Games

and he is also continuing to do some work for BL, he is now going to be the author of " The Hunt for Voldorius" from the "Space Marine Battles" series out next year.

AFAIK he was/had been doing the work on the Beastman book, i don't know how much of the final thing will be his work or others.

Shame he's gone, he was damn sound.

That places the leave to August or September 2009, about a year ago. Melissia, you are probably thinking of Alessio Calvatore, who left GW in April 2010:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/291666.page

**grizgrin**

Wait, Alessio left?? Dang, that's what I get for ghosting out on the forums. Place is becoming a revolving door.

**Melissia**

Mn, probably. Several people have left GW in the past few years...

**metallifan**

The Necron update is what's got me. I've always wanted to start a small Necron army, but the lack of choice in their range was a big "Meh" factor for me (Plus, 1-pose-warrior kits were way too much effort to convert/repose).

I'm very interested to see what sort of additions their range will get, as well as what sorts of rules updates they'll recieve. IF they do actually get around to it, that is.

**Melissia**

They probably will. I imagine Necrons have the potential to be more profitable than, say, DE.

**metallifan**

Melissia wrote:They probably will. I imagine Necrons have the potential to be more profitable than, say, DE.

Well that depends. The big reasons DE became so unpopular are because they're so outdated, and because I take turds that look better than most of their range. Updated minis and rules will probably see a fresh lease on DE popularity.