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I thought for a second the AC had a nice little detail in a barrel swap handed...but alas its just tubing. While underslung looks cool, I can't imagine that is the most accurate methode for firing a cannon.

Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

 Fireball wrote:
More heavy weapons ...

So sexy. Do want!

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

MKV Dreadnought Assault Drill (Left Arm) is sold out (no longer available).



I wish FW had a section like GW now does - "Last chance to buy".

If it's still on the website like that it usually means it's coming back eventually (once they remake the mould or repair the master and then remake the mould)

gone for good tends to just vanish

Didnt even notice but the backpack is really cool too.

Aww i really love that tri grinder arm :(

A whole bunch of stuff has been doing that only to come back later with better photos and in the new clamshell packaging. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 Fireball wrote:
More heavy weapons ...

Chaos Havocs rejoice! It pleases me to see lots of weapons that don't need their barrels drilled out.

I kinda have to prefer the Anvil Industries Autocannons, too. They are only 6 bucks a pair, though they are made as an entire arm replacement rather than the Calth conversions like FW. Volkite is awesome, though!

So, Wild and rampant speculation time. Doom of Mymeara has been the only true Imperial armour book to come out since formations came a big thing(Barring Vraks)
It has formations that can be used in the Warhost Detachment. Do you guys think that it will be the same for the Tau/Admech/Marines one? I think it might. Might give Battle Company some really cool options.

 Yaraton wrote:
MKV Dreadnought Assault Drill (Left Arm) is sold out (no longer available).



I wish FW had a section like GW now does - "Last chance to buy".

You and me both.


Oh, and the Vanaheim Pattern Griffons are "sold out" and "no longer available" too.


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Vanaheim-Pattern-Griffon

 BrotherGecko wrote:
No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

As usual, I rather suspect nobody at Games Workshop has any military experience, or they actively avoid making use of it with their designs. These are very much "rule of cool" weapons, about as well designed as a safety helmet made of sponge.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

They have superhuman strength they can just lift the gun higher if they need to, and for the same reason recoil is a non issue. Its like the Terminator with the stampede gun, it ain't no thing.

Tank_Dweller wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

They have superhuman strength they can just lift the gun higher if they need to, and for the same reason recoil is a non issue. Its like the Terminator with the stampede gun, it ain't no thing.

Nothing about a marines biceps will stop the barrel from moving downward after every round leaves the barrel. Even on tripods and flex mounts guns still experience recoil. The marine gangster leaning his cannon to shoot at chest height would only make that even worse due to awkward positioning. Even though a marines PA can lock his arms in place, that has zero effect on the energy unleashed inside the firing chanber of the weapon that gets transfered down the barrel.

There is also the fact that to fire long range he would need to put a crazy angle for aiming an lob rounds on target in order to account for gravity, wind and intervening debris.

The AC already had a cool underslung model. FW should of went with a shoulder mounted cannon look for this one. Similar to the rocket launcher as in using both arms. Like a firing arm and one holding a handle.

Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

 warboss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

The porting on the barrel would sling the gun toward the bracing arm and up. As far as a real world weapon analog to the AC is the bushmaster on a Bradley FV. And a man portable version of that is

 Mymearan wrote:
Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

I could have swore that it's been mentioned in fluff before that power armor can kinda/sorta 'lock' for recoil elimination purposes.

 Mymearan wrote:
Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

Sure, I guess you could do that. But that's no way to show off your knowledge on an internet forum.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

I could have swore that it's been mentioned in fluff before that power armor can kinda/sorta 'lock' for recoil elimination purposes.

I - think - that is mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy novels.

 warboss wrote:
I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

Large artillery has a lot of recoil, and many use some of that energy to eject the casing, just like an automatic pistol. They were doing this back in the 1930s...

 warboss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

That's because probably every firearm you fired had the bore above the plane of the wrist (aka the pivot point) meaning the recoil moment has a component tangent to the axis of rotation, forcing the pivot (wrist) to rotate.
If the bore was exactly normal to the centre of rotation of your wrist/the mounting, then the force would travel through it rather than around it, eliminating rotation in favour of more thrust backwards.
This is why artillery elevation trunnions are mounted exactly on the bore axis; all the recoil goes into moving the whole piece backwards rather than into torquing the barrel off of the carriage.
There have, of course, been handguns that seek to mitigate this somewhat, amongst the most famous of which is the Mateba "inverted" revolver and its descendants, where the bore axis is aligned with the bottom of the frame rather than the top.

Anyway, the effect of recoil is obviously reversed if the bore axis is below the pivot so an underslung cannon would tend to dip when fired, an effect that would be exacerbated by the mass of the magazine and firing mechanism being on the same side of the pivot, as in these examples.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

That's because probably every firearm you fired had the bore above the plane of the wrist (aka the pivot point) meaning the recoil moment has a component tangent to the axis of rotation, forcing the pivot (wrist) to rotate.
If the bore was exactly normal to the centre of rotation of your wrist/the mounting, then the force would travel through it rather than around it, eliminating rotation in favour of more thrust backwards.
This is why artillery elevation trunnions are mounted exactly on the bore axis; all the recoil goes into moving the whole piece backwards rather than into torquing the barrel off of the carriage.
There have, of course, been handguns that seek to mitigate this somewhat, amongst the most famous of which is the Mateba "inverted" revolver and its descendants, where the bore axis is aligned with the bottom of the frame rather than the top.

Anyway, the effect of recoil is obviously reversed if the bore axis is below the pivot so an underslung cannon would tend to dip when fired, an effect that would be exacerbated by the mass of the magazine and firing mechanism being on the same side of the pivot, as in these examples.

Thank you for that technical explanation to how recoil works.

Still it makes no sense why they made another AC only slightly different than the last design. Barring the underslung volkite and HB it makes sense stylistically to do the other weapons underslung. The HB already has an over the shoulder design so the volkite and AC should have been over the shoulder to create to different variants of every heavy weapon.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Wild and rampant speculation time. Doom of Mymeara has been the only true Imperial armour book to come out since formations came a big thing(Barring Vraks)
It has formations that can be used in the Warhost Detachment. Do you guys think that it will be the same for the Tau/Admech/Marines one? I think it might. Might give Battle Company some really cool options.

I hope so, will be interesting to see where FW go next with their 40k range.

is the "win a titan" event just for UK residents or everywhere?

Part of me wants to get the volkites and use them as counts as grav cannons for a battle co done up in MK 4...

I agree. The PA Grav Cannons just look terribly silly.

 aracersss wrote:
is the "win a titan" event just for UK residents or everywhere?

It's for everyone who can afford resin goodness.

Countries: Worldwide excluding Quebec and the states of Colorado, North Dakota and Arizona.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/win-a-titan

Space Wolves HH upgrades update! https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=6128458
Very nice. Check back in a few weeks.!!!!