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Actually, now I think about it, you might actually have to pay for the gear. "Purchased the same way as any other fighters"

A hive scum with Autogun is still cheaper than a naked ganger from any houses.

"Purchased from any sections" Did anyone miss the Purchased wording or what?

Chopstick wrote:
Actually, now I think about it, you might actually have to pay for the gear. "Purchased the same way as any other fighters"

A hive scum with Autogun is still cheaper than a naked ganger from any houses.

Aye but a Ganger is yours forever. I read it as you having to pay for gear as well, but if so I don't see Hired Guns getting any use outside of very specific niche situations when a handful of additional credits will get you pretty much the same thing but permanently.

Chopstick wrote:
Actually, now I think about it, you might actually have to pay for the gear. "Purchased the same way as any other fighters"

A hive scum with Autogun is still cheaper than a naked ganger from any houses.

Thing is, unless the ganger gets killed the first battle, you get to keep it, whereas you'd need to pay the same cost again for the hive scum with Autogun before each new battle.

Somehow, it doesn't seem to be worth the investment.

 Albertorius wrote:

Somehow, it doesn't seem to be worth the investment.

They had their use, Hired Gun are guaranteed extra bodies on the field if you are in a scenario where Random Selection is in place. You are not guaranteed to get the Ganger/Leader/Champ you want in those scenario.

They just get more situational if their hire cost was that high. For about the same price hiring a Hanger on is a better deal.

The bounty hunter gang better be good... or those bounty hunter models won't see much table time!

Chopstick wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Somehow, it doesn't seem to be worth the investment.

They had their use, Hired Gun are guaranteed extra bodies on the field if you are in a scenario where Random Selection is in place. You are not guaranteed to get the Ganger/Leader/Champ you want in those scenario.

They just get more situational if their hire cost was that high. For about the same price hiring a Hanger on is a better deal.

The hive scum's stats are nothing to write home about, either... they're just general gangers without house bonuses (so less tough and strong than Goliaths, slower than Eschers, etc), so although being able to get the exact weapon you wanted fielded, well... I don't think it's worth the extreme expense even them, as you'll be paying 30 credits + the loadout you wanted fielded's cost for it to be there for that single battle and nevermore.

Not feeling it, TBH.

Which is why they can't be 90 credits each, 'cause that makes no sense.

Anyway, got a couple of boxes of Orlocks, the cards, GW2 and one set of tiles (yes, only one) on pre-order. Now we await the FW conversion packs.

A 280 point squat doesn't make sense either, but there he is!

Seems like an easy enough house rule to do value/5 as a hiring fee like the old days though

The price is not the problem (price seems fair, maybe the hive scum are too cheap and the bounty hunters are a bit over priced but they have more skills and weapons for multiple purposes). The problem is the underdog system. Fix that, and the price works fine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
one set of tiles (yes, only one) on pre-order. .

It's like we don't even know you anymore!

Dogs living in peace with Cats, etc and so forth!

Wow GW's leaning on Fallout's aesthetic and cartoon 1950s style... that poster.... come on. It's probably one idiot on the design team that goaded them into following that style

edit: I do like the newest gang's models

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is why they can't be 90 credits each, 'cause that makes no sense.

Anyway, got a couple of boxes of Orlocks, the cards, GW2 and one set of tiles (yes, only one) on pre-order. Now we await the FW conversion packs.

Somebody PM the mods. Someone's taken over HBMC's account

Vorian wrote:
The bounty hunter gang better be good... or those bounty hunter models won't see much table time!

Seems like they might run similar to Spyrers. A few high cost, high skill, heavily weaponed figs.

T

Spryrers are Heroes, BH are Hirelings.

Bounty Hunter could be any models. I saw them as a gang of champions from different houses(altho the stat might not be as good), plus some forgeworld extra. Definitely a colorful gang.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Spryrers are Heroes, BH are Hirelings.

Unless they are a bounty hunter gang, for which rules will be in an upcoming White Dwarf...

T

I am weak... just ordered Orlocks.

Thinking the Rotary shotguns to make Arbites (Scion bodies/Skitarii heads/Orlock guns) then 10 badashes with pistols and lasguns.

Wouldn't scout and Deathwatch shotgun make better Arbites conversion?

Scout shotguns come on gorilla arms that really don't look good on human torsos and the DW gun is both on power armor arms and rare. There's 4 rotary guns on a sprue and it can pass as a shotgun or bolter as needed.

I've given this just a little thought...

DW shotgun hand and arm are separated. (thumb stuck on arm, that need to be cut)

Scout shotgun would be very easy to sever the hand and attach to whatever arm you prefer.

Problem is the forestock arm might be misaligned, need some work.

The hand size might be slightly different but it wouldn't be a problem.

There are actually only 3 Shotgun on a Orlock sprue, so you get 6 in a box. Not sure about using them as bolt gun proxy tho, Scout Bolt Gun again look perfect for the role.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Scout shotguns come on gorilla arms that really don't look good on human torsos and the DW gun is both on power armor arms and rare. There's 4 rotary guns on a sprue and it can pass as a shotgun or bolter as needed.

I've given this just a little thought...

GSC neophytes are a great source of "human" shotguns.
Also, the human bloodbowl team makes a great base for arbites, and is cheaper than scions.

DW Shotguns are also HUEG. They look big even on Goliaths, on a normal human they'd look ludicrous.

EDIT: And the human blood bowl team look great, but are also HUEG.

 Albertorius wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Somehow, it doesn't seem to be worth the investment.

They had their use, Hired Gun are guaranteed extra bodies on the field if you are in a scenario where Random Selection is in place. You are not guaranteed to get the Ganger/Leader/Champ you want in those scenario.

They just get more situational if their hire cost was that high. For about the same price hiring a Hanger on is a better deal.

The hive scum's stats are nothing to write home about, either... they're just general gangers without house bonuses (so less tough and strong than Goliaths, slower than Eschers, etc), so although being able to get the exact weapon you wanted fielded, well... I don't think it's worth the extreme expense even them, as you'll be paying 30 credits + the loadout you wanted fielded's cost for it to be there for that single battle and nevermore.

Not feeling it, TBH.

They do have the advantage of being expendable though. Far less of a loss than a permanent ganger, so they can be a go-to to say advance up the center, or fight a desparate rearguard, or other relatively suicidal roles that you might not want to send a more valuable ganger to do.

If you have to also pay for their equipment they are hardly saving you any money over just buying a ganger so it's not really far less of a loss. It's a bit less of a loss abs one that is certain to happen.

If it really is base cost + equipment cost as a hire fee then they are pretty much just pointless. There's no sugar coating it!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
They do have the advantage of being expendable though. Far less of a loss than a permanent ganger, so they can be a go-to to say advance up the center, or fight a desparate rearguard, or other relatively suicidal roles that you might not want to send a more valuable ganger to do.

Or you could get a juve for that very same role. If it dies, well, you lose the same credits you would have spent on a hive scum hiring, and if it survives, you save up your hard earned credits.

I mean, how much more expendable are they than a cheaper (or at best as expensive) juve, really?

Juve are best not using as meat shield, but as runner and skill hoarding investment, avoid combat as much as they can. they are limited recruit and you are not 100% sure to have them on the field in every battle, because random selection.


Hired gun are not a good spent early, but it's always nice to have extra body on the field later. Especially in battle you don't want to lose like Rescue.

anyone else tempted to use these parts on the Orlocks?

Chopstick wrote:Juve are best not using as meat shield, but as runner and skill hoarding investment, avoid combat as much as they can. they are limited recruit and you are not 100% sure to have them on the field in every battle, because random selection.


Hired gun are not a good spent early, but it's always nice to have extra body on the field later. Especially in battle you don't want to lose like Rescue.

I'm not sure that random selection is that big of a factor, but fair enough. I would agree that it feels more worth it afterwards when you have better gangers overall.

bubber wrote:anyone else tempted to use these parts on the Orlocks?

...well, I wasn't until now. Now I am, perp.

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Plan for rules allowing them in gangs as permanents members.