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 BertBert wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What the actual feth is Libre Chaotica and how do I get my hands on it because hot dam that is awesome.

It's "Liber Chaotica" there's one for each chaos god and they are due for a re-release anyway iirc.

It had a re-release fairly recently (like a year and a bit ago) but as is typical with the cool BL lore books, it sold out pretty quick. I managed to get one on eBay for about £65 I think.

Are Khainite shadowstalkers in the new morathi book?

Only 3 slaangors per box is beyond insulting. Seems there wont be much variety either

Thanks for the info guys!

Probably already mentioned, but the 360 view of Sigvald is great, definately a case of take him from behind!!

 rayphoton wrote:
Are Khainite shadowstalkers in the new morathi book?

Yes with points and everything along with the Underworld Warband as well. The DoK book is pretty much a complete update to everything to-date that's available for them.

 Overread wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:
Are Khainite shadowstalkers in the new morathi book?

Yes with points and everything along with the Underworld Warband as well. The DoK book is pretty much a complete update to everything to-date that's available for them.

Nice..worth getting then for me. I really want a group of teleporting jerks bouncing around the board over and over again

Both ltd ed tomes have sold out already. Unusual to see it that quickly if at all.

I really like the Blissbarb Archers and Myrmidesh designs. I'm not going to spend $110 + tax to get them, but I really like them.

This was the first GW release I really liked the look of since AoS launched, but the pricing going way beyond anything reasonable makes it a big nope from me.

It's complete scattershot pricing, for whatever reason, slaanesh mortal basic troops are over 2x more expensive than tzeentch and khorne basic mortal troops.

Money saved and attention returned to other games!

 ImAGeek wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What the actual feth is Libre Chaotica and how do I get my hands on it because hot dam that is awesome.

It's "Liber Chaotica" there's one for each chaos god and they are due for a re-release anyway iirc.

It had a re-release fairly recently (like a year and a bit ago) but as is typical with the cool BL lore books, it sold out pretty quick. I managed to get one on eBay for about £65 I think.

I had the limited edition Slaanesh one with the “human skin” leather cover back in the day, can’t remember if I sold it or if it’s hiding somewhere...

 Overread wrote:

What I find most interesting about both books is that neither is showing is anything new to 2.0. I know there's a lot of "ooh 3.0 is near" thoughts going around, but right now these two books, if they are 3.0 ready, aren't showing us anything new. That's interesting because it means 3.0 might be a tune-up instead of a wholesale change. Perhaps introducing new complexities to things (eg how terrain works) but not fundamentally changing how the core of the game works. If they are 2.5 battletomes then it means 3.0 is likely quite a long way off; esp considering that whilst the Slaanesh is a big reworking; the DoK is more of an update and much of that was already covered in the recent Morathi book.

Well 40k books in end of 8e didn't have　any hints regarding 9e either.


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scarletsquig wrote:
This was the first GW release I really liked the look of since AoS launched, but the pricing going way beyond anything reasonable makes it a big nope from me.

It's complete scattershot pricing, for whatever reason, slaanesh mortal basic troops are over 2x more expensive than tzeentch and khorne basic mortal troops.

Money saved and attention returned to other games!

Newer sku.

Am I alone in assuming that Lumineth will coming out in the summer?

Also these new AOS releases are really up my alley. I saw the hedonites and was super tempted.

But I am planning on getting a second army. Hopefully one day the lizardmen get an update.

frankelee wrote:I really like the Blissbarb Archers and Myrmidesh designs. I'm not going to spend $110 + tax to get them, but I really like them.

scarletsquig wrote:This was the first GW release I really liked the look of since AoS launched, but the pricing going way beyond anything reasonable makes it a big nope from me.

It's complete scattershot pricing, for whatever reason, slaanesh mortal basic troops are over 2x more expensive than tzeentch and khorne basic mortal troops.

Money saved and attention returned to other games!

Yeah, I would have purchased both kits at more reasonable prices. At those prices, I'll just enjoy then from afar.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Am I alone in assuming that Lumineth will coming out in the summer?

Far as we know Lumineth are next for AoS and should be here before summer. They are currently expected to come with the next campaign book and its also expected that the book will basically be a 0.5 update to the battletome adding in all the profiles for the new models they've previewed for the army.

After that the previews hint that we'll see the new Warhammer Quest game and then much later a Vampire army. The Vampire army is hard to say when it will come; it could be after Lumineth and Warhammer Quest, or it might have a longer gap with other big releases before it.

 Overread wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Am I alone in assuming that Lumineth will coming out in the summer?

Far as we know Lumineth are next for AoS and should be here before summer. They are currently expected to come with the next campaign book and its also expected that the book will basically be a 0.5 update to the battletome adding in all the profiles for the new models they've previewed for the army.

After that the previews hint that we'll see the new Warhammer Quest game and then much later a Vampire army. The Vampire army is hard to say when it will come; it could be after Lumineth and Warhammer Quest, or it might have a longer gap with other big releases before it.

Ah okay, was wondering! Thats pretty good then, I am interested with this second release what they will hint at with the next. As I feel like Dark / Shadow Elves seem to be on the horizon and hopefully a lizardmen update.

Kind of hankering to see what else is in place for the Lumineth to get. And to actually see the models

All these releases are all pretty interesting especially with the new AOS book, Storm Vault seems to be they are building up to something?

I was going to wonder why they insist on gumming up half the armies in AOS with summoning mechanics when it causes so many balance problems in the game...but then I realized, hey, that's more models you have to buy!

The cost of running a new slaanesh list is downright extortionate, between the super-premium-priced new kits and the large sideboard you need to run of daemonettes and keepers.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I was going to wonder why they insist on gumming up half the armies in AOS with summoning mechanics when it causes so many balance problems in the game...but then I realized, hey, that's more models you have to buy!

The cost of running a new slaanesh list is downright extortionate, between the super-premium-priced new kits and the large sideboard you need to run of daemonettes and keepers.

Honestly?

Compared to a lot of factions I am used to playing. Eh. Death Korps and Elysians are stil lthe most expensive armies to play. (Thanks forgeworld!)

But yeah its pretty expensive but with how expensive all the armies are for AOS i am not too surprised?

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What the actual feth is Libre Chaotica and how do I get my hands on it because hot dam that is awesome.

It's "Liber Chaotica" there's one for each chaos god and they are due for a re-release anyway iirc.

It had a re-release fairly recently (like a year and a bit ago) but as is typical with the cool BL lore books, it sold out pretty quick. I managed to get one on eBay for about £65 I think.

I had the limited edition Slaanesh one with the “human skin” leather cover back in the day, can’t remember if I sold it or if it’s hiding somewhere...

I remember seeing the limited edition ones advertised in White Dwarf, they were all really cool. I dread to think what they’d go for now!

I honestly never bat an eye at GW pricing as it tends to crawl up over the years.
This though?

Yea, easy pass for me simply because of the insane prices (for the first time ever)
When GW infantry and cav models exceed FW by nearly double in price, that’s an issue.

Sigvald, the fat dude in giant crib and slaangors are all on par with expected pricing (fat guy being cheaper than expected)
The bulk of the army though is just plain insanity for price.

At this point, building my 30k army up is even more tempting as it’s cheaper.

did I miss something?

10 chaff models for 40-50€, 5 elite models for 40-50€ and cavalry for 45-55€ is the standard pricing since AoS came out

 kodos wrote:
did I miss something?

10 chaff models for 40-50€, 5 elite models for 40-50€ and cavalry for 45-55€ is the standard pricing since AoS came out

The chaff and characters are normal.
The elite models aren’t just elite, they are troops.
So you’ll likely be running a few units of at least 10.
Check other cav units, that’s not a normal price for them at all.

Stormcast Paladins are 45/46€ for 5 and you run them in 2 units of 10

Deepkin Cavalry is 40 for 3 models, Lumineth are 50 for 5, new Chaos one is 80 for 3 models

just the older Warhammer Fantasy models are cheaper, everything made for AoS is in the same price range

 kodos wrote:
Stormcast Paladins are 45/46€ for 5 and you run them in 2 units of 10

Deepkin Cavalry is 40 for 3 models, Lumineth are 50 for 5, new Chaos one is 80 for 3 models

just the older Warhammer Fantasy models are cheaper, everything made for AoS is in the same price range

And they are elite units.
These are far closer to liberators.

Deepkin cav have had endless complaints about their pricing as they are priced as elite top end cavalry.

Lumineth ones are indeed cheaper still.

Chaos one is 80 for 3?
I’m assuming you mean varanguard?
If that is the case, they are one of the most elite units in the game, not generic cav.
They are also over priced cost wise.

So if it’s all the same price range have you looked at any other ranges?
Fyreslayers elite units like heartguard are cheaper.
Bone reapers knights are cheaper.

Both AoS only factions.

Scroll through the GW store by unit type.
The cost jumps pretty dramatically on all AoS stuff.



Comparing works when picking similar things.
Picking the few top priced items as a reference that for the most part are entirely different, does not work.

 kodos wrote:
Stormcast Paladins are 45/46€ for 5 and you run them in 2 units of 10

Deepkin Cavalry is 40 for 3 models, Lumineth are 50 for 5, new Chaos one is 80 for 3 models

just the older Warhammer Fantasy models are cheaper, everything made for AoS is in the same price range

Not really. Idoneth infantry and cav are cheaper than lumineth (tho you do get fewer eels, but they're also lot bigger than the horsieboys) for example. Plus the "elite" units in this release aren't really elite, they're just expensive. Like, myrmidesh aren't equivalent to paladins, they're equivalent to sequitors which you get 10 in a box for almost the same price.

5€ more is not that big difference for models that should cost 25-30 per box

AoS is overpriced since its beginning and the price point increased over time as usual for GW

during their release Fyreslayer were seen as too expensive and now their price is normal

nothing special here or anything unexpected (except for the special chariot were I thought it will be way more than 90 and compared to Sigvald looks really cheap)

I just follow the release as some people here claim that the success of AoS is only to the popularity of Oldhammer and models are mainly bought for that
and also some people claim that Mantic already reached GW price point with their models (but GW is still double the Mantic price so everything normal)

Deepkin cavalry are "top end elite cavalry", despite being a Battleline option. Even if we were just to look at Wounds alone(4W/each), they'd still be a big deal.

Realistically they never should have been able to get as big of unit sizes as they could. That's one of the big issues with Deepkin right now, matching the lore to the rules.

Eh lore to tabletop is always more of a feel or theme than a straight translation. Most armies don't always work to their lore.

And in that there's the fact that most armies have different forms even in the lore itself. Some Deepkin forces are going to be light on some units and heavy on others. Even a "rare" unit can be heavily used by one kingdom and not another.

It is when that’s happening at nearly every release.
By the time they get back to an army a kit has jumped up a lot more.

Some of it is, but then other release are actually far cheaper than people expect.

So I’m assuming it was varanguard you were comparing then?
These are now generic cavalry?

So by this logic, a saurus oldblood on carnosaur and Archaon are the same too.


Comparisons only work when you compare them to a similar item.

It’s just an odd release as it’s all or nothing with GW usually.

Chaff, sigvald and the gors are what people were expecting.
The giant chariot was actually cheaper.
The cav and warriors though push past all recent prices.

The fact that you acknowledge a price rise goes against your own comments too.

 kodos wrote:
(but GW is still double the Mantic price so everything normal)

Don't worry, Mantic Games is quietly filling the gap in prices as time goes on.

https://www.manticgames.com/games/kings-of-war/ratkin/ratkin-warriors-regiment/
https://www.games-workshop.com/fr-BE/Skaven-Clanrats-2019

It's not longer half the price of GW's for new releases anymore.

Funny part is the upgrade pack for "not storm vermins" (in resin, of course), that's not including the basic kit you still need to buy separately to make your full unit. And yep, even in this case, it's far from being half of GW's prices.


Otherwise...I know other countries don't have that problem, but Brexit messes at the frontier is the real crippling matter for EU customers...my own GW store in Belgium still didn't get the orders from december and not a single release from january and further so far...

There's no point for me to pre-order anything, at this stage.