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coyotius wrote:There were also conflicting stories about rapid fire (stayed the same versus move and shoot to max range).

Yeah, this is a key point for me and the updating-to-6th-edition of my Space Marine Fandex, so if you could answer that Rattman, that would be great, thanks!
Personally, I'd also like to know the changes to vehicle movement and shooting if you could elaborate please?



So if wargear isn't affected by allies restrictions, what could that mean for KFF's

How does Rending work?

Can Fliers be targeted with Blast weapons?

How do Force Weapons work?

Sorry, just one more from me:

5.) What happens to passengers in vehicles that explode? Is it the same as 5th edition?

I wonder if the the new rules for jump infantry will make storm boys viable again or will people pass over them for dakka je?ts

rattman can you post about fortifications please

How does relentless work now?

And how do snipers work?

Pre measuring is in? that sounds terrible. talk about making a game longer than it should be as your opponent pre measures everything possible before he makes a move.

I hope that is false. the pre measuring movement was ok but not everything.

coyotius wrote:

Jump may not equal Jet for the purposes of this rule, we'll see. However, Vespid are definitely Jump, plus fleet and have a nasty assault gun...hmmm.

Vespid also cost as much as a space marine, so whether this would be an effective use for them is up for debate.

If jet also get impact hits, gun drone squads suddenly became a lot better though.

Best assault option for Tau will probably be SM or Eldar allies in the end.

schadenfreude wrote:Took another look at the chart and I noticed something interesting.

GK have no brothers in arms (Neither do orks or necrons)



No brothers in arms means psychic powers can't be used on allied units, and GK IC can not join an allied unit.

No adding rad+psych+hammer hand to death company or salamander TH/SS termies.

I am not happy that Dark Angels can ally with Space Wolves. At least knock them down a notch...
and while everyone seems to jotice that Tyranids are left out in the cold, they may ally with themselves. Can armies ally with themselves to double up on some necessities?

White Ninja wrote:

DeffDred wrote:

timofeo wrote:

"What I love about the new Allied Detatchment rules is, they capture a flavor of the WH40K universe."

What flavor is that? Bad? Terrible? 'Cause, you know, SoB with Eldar has been so prevelent in recent years. Same goes for that rich history of Tau summoning Daemons and Gretchin supporting Space Wolves!

"How many of the great battles in the history, which have featured not just one army but an alliance between two forces pressed against the enemy?"

Um... IG and Marines? Chaos and Daemons? Oh... and Blood Angels and Necrons.

I think he only remembers the most recent of these "great battles".

He was talking about real world battles like say the English and Americans vs the Germans. Although I agree with the rest of your stuff.

He siad "THE history" not "World history"

He also specifically states WH40K.

Just Dave wrote:

coyotius wrote:There were also conflicting stories about rapid fire (stayed the same versus move and shoot to max range).

Yeah, this is a key point for me and the updating-to-6th-edition of my Space Marine Fandex, so if you could answer that Rattman, that would be great, thanks!
Personally, I'd also like to know the changes to vehicle movement and shooting if you could elaborate please?

I couldnt find anything pro or con moving and rapid firing

the fluff saying "can be used to fire from the hip when advancing" I will leave that for when I get a chance to read later

azazel the cat wrote:How does Rending work?

on a roll of target suffers 1 wound as it was an AP 2 hit, vehicles get an extra d3

Can Fliers be targeted with Blast weapons?

not while in zoom mode


How do Force Weapons work?

force sword are ap3
force axe ap2
stave ap4

force if thers an unsaved would the wielder can use a force charge (need to check that) and make a force roll. all unsaved wound are ID

Well, Dark Angels get every other Imperial army as Battle Brothers, and Space Wolves as Grudging, so they did get knocked down a notch.

GKs of course lack Battle Brothers to prevent the inevitable psyker splash you'd see in every army.

relentless

heavy, salvo and ordanance can move and shoot, they can also charge in the turn they fire heavy, slavo and ordance. as well as rapid fired

and thats dinner folks

laters

New question:

Someone mentioned a new firing type called Salvo. Any details on this, and have any current weapons been converted to Salvo in the wargear list?

so with "Power Weapons" and "Force weapons" - do we get to pick whichever flavour we like, or is that left for the eventual FAQs?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:I am not happy that Dark Angels can ally with Space Wolves. At least knock them down a notch...
and while everyone seems to jotice that Tyranids are left out in the cold, they may ally with themselves. Can armies ally with themselves to double up on some necessities?

Knowing out luck? Not likely.

Which means in a world of 2000 point games with 7 Heavy Support slots (6 normal, 1 ally) the 'nids will be left in the cold unless they can ally with themselves.

Okay, so where do the Legion of the Damned fit into this chart?

All these people with the rulebook, and nobodys posted all of the Psychic Powers yet.

Sad panda. Saaaad panda.

Crazyterran wrote:All these people with the rulebook, and nobodys posted all of the Psychic Powers yet.

Sad panda. Saaaad panda.

Psychic Powers are for weaklings anyway. Real men play without Psychic Powers!

Any clarification on Rapid Fire weapons would be awesome. As far as I got it, it seems that you can fire 1 shot at 24'' even when moving or double tap at 12''...which seems to be Relentless useless.

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated!

RogueRegault wrote:GKs of course lack Battle Brothers to prevent the inevitable psyker splash you'd see in every army.

It's a shame the GK and Inquisitors are in the same army list. GK are a standalone strike force, but Inquisitors should show up everywhere but the Space Wolves (and Dark Angels?).

All these people with the rulebook, and nobodys posted all of the Psychic Powers yet.

way to many powers to list

Any clarification on Rapid Fire weapons would be awesome. As far as I got it, it seems that you can fire 1 shot at 24'' even when moving or double tap at 12''...which seems to be Relentless useless.

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated!

you can rapid fire and charge if you are relentless

Thanks a lot, fellow battle brother!

So basically, the only difference with Relentless is that you shoot the enemy AND charge afterwards?

So you CAN move and fire w/o Relentless?

Sigvatr wrote:Thanks a lot, fellow battle brother!

So basically, the only difference with Relentless is that you shoot the enemy AND charge afterwards?

So you CAN move and fire w/o Relentless?

As said earlier. Cant find a YAH or NAH on it. Think there will be debate, but I am saying you can

Thanks! That's both awesome and sad at the same time - Warriors can now move and shoot, but Phaeron is useless )

So are nemesis force halbards ap3?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So are nemesis force halbards ap3?

I wouldn't be surprised if some of this stuff is not in the book but will be found in the FAQs for each codex.

I'm quite looking forward to Allies. I'm planning on getting the renegade Enforcers from FW and using them as Commissars to make a small Traitor Guard force to go with my IW (thus allowing me to take artillary!).




I think i am getting confused with Overwatch and Snapshot (lots of contradicting posts flying around)..


Snapshot = fire a weapon you can't normally but at BS1 (so a lascannon marine can move and fire at BS1, a tank can move 12" and fire all its guns at BS1 for example)

Overwatch = a free round of shooting at BS1 at your attackers when you are charged, using normal rules and profiles except no blast and templates do D3 hits.



Does Overwatch apply to vehicles as well?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So are nemesis force halbards ap3?

Its says some weapons have their own stats. If not specified they are ap 3

It also says if it a sword or dagger its a force sword, axe or halberd is an axe and if its a mace or staff its a force staff

guess they will errata the GK codex to specific which it is



reading the vehicle section so heres the thoughts as they read

stationary fire all weapons at full bonus
combat speed (6") 1 weapon at full bs. rest are snap shot
cruising (6"-12") snap shot only

you can abandoned immobilised vehicles from a squadron
you can move and fire with ordance

vehicle damage chart has changed 6 is destroyed, 5 immobilised
ap 1 +2 on the chart
ap 2 +1 on the chart

rattman wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So are nemesis force halbards ap3?

Its says some weapons have their own stats. If not specified they are ap 3

It also says if it a sword or dagger its a force sword, axe or halberd is an axe and if its a mace or staff its a force staff

guess they will errata the GK codex to specific which it is

Well if they are consistent with that ruling (that's a big if lol) then Halberds being Power Axes is a pretty massive change, they would be AP2 but would drop you to I3 (I1 for Axe + 2) which gives them a meaningful downside.

What about power weapons classed as spears, I've heard it suggested that they are one of the 4 power weapon types but haven't heard what they are like compared to the others, can you explain what they are like?