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Crazyterran wrote:

infinite_array wrote:I dunno. Looks photoshopped to me.

You can tell by having seen a lot of photos and been in a bunch of shops?

Gasp! You remembered!

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

quilava1 wrote:

l0k1 wrote:Don't know if anyone noticed but on GW website their newest article confirms that the Valkyrie, Vendetta, Stormraven, and Razorwing now count as fliers as per the new rule book

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2700228

Bottom paragraph

Like that surprises anyone :p
Anything with a + shaped flying base is a flyer, it is a flyer base

Does that mean that they're finally standardizing these bases? Do skimmers have to have the skimmer base now?

Skimmers are supposed to be using the Skimmer Bases now, since it's in the rules that you are required to use the bases provided.

Where in the rulebook is that..?

Page 3, under Bases.

"Citadel models are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Of course, nobody glues the skimmers onto the bases, but they must be mounted on the base.

And what about the models that don't come on bases? Or come on the wrong sized base? That sentence doesn't actually regulate base size. In fact, grammatically it exempts vehicles where GW forgot to put a base in the box and it implies that any model can be on any sized base as long as it came in the box.

Well, it's not hard to figure out which base is required, and vehicles don't typically come with one. Skimmers do, however, and they are provided with a base.

And, for using a different (scenic) base size, you have to ask your opponent if it's alright.

As fun as arguing semantics is, your skimmers need to use a base. The only ones that could position properly without looking bad/standing on a fiddly bit is the Tau ones, so...

Are you using your Hammerheads without bases to make them smaller targets?

It's more an issue with things like thundercav, tervigons, soul grinders, marine bikes, tau crisis suits, etc. The game tells you to "use the base", but some things come with more than one and others don't come with any. Other things don't even have models to represent themselves. The number of tau vehicles i've seen off their base easily beats the number i've seen on them, same with crisis suits. Codexes don't tell you what size base to use and there are many situations where it's unclear. It has a very strong effect in the game and I'd like it if GW would take the time or effort to standardize it a bit. As it is they've done the bare minimum to ensure that infantry are on bases at all.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

rattman wrote:
insert bookpicture here

Well damn. Apologies, then.

....now answer all our questions!

If a mod says it fine I will. some websites get upset when it changes from Rumors to facts

rattman wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

rattman wrote:
insert bookpicture here

Well damn. Apologies, then.

....now answer all our questions!

If a mod says it fine I will. some websites get upset when it changes from Rumors to facts

*puts on crude mod mask, uses mod voice*

Do that thing the wise, charming, and handsome previous poster asked of you. Also, make him a sandwich.

Wait a sec - if I'm reading correctly does it mean the monolith has the "jink" save?

Took another look at the chart and I noticed something interesting.

GK have no brothers in arms (Neither do orks or necrons)



No brothers in arms means psychic powers can't be used on allied units, and GK IC can not join an allied unit.

No adding rad+psych+hammer hand to death company or salamander TH/SS termies.

Apologies if these have already been answered but I could not find them in the summary post or the past 30 pages. Does anyone know the following:

1. What are the new vehicle squadron rules?

2. Can all units now assault after running since fleet is rumored to be re-roll the assault dice? Or is running even still in the game?

rattman wrote:

Lies and slander.
Have a digital camera?

Its definately a photo, but now the question is.... is he at his shop or in his house lol. more pics of the inside please! lol

Can you explain the specifics of Brothers in Arms? What abilities work with allied armies and what don't?

RedOnesGoFasta wrote:Apologies if these have already been answered but I could not find them in the summary post or the past 30 pages. Does anyone know the following:

1. What are the new vehicle squadron rules?

2. Can all units now assault after running since fleet is rumored to be re-roll the assault dice? Or is running even still in the game?

Apparently squadrons are still the same, aside from wound allocation (it's nearest models first now).
No assault after running, but fleet lets you reroll assault dice, and reroll run die if you're running.

Crazyterran wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

They get one free I10 auto hit on the charge, that doesn't count as an actual attack.

It's at your base strength (so 4 for a Space Marine) and AP -.

(EDITED post to make more sense)
So Tau just got good at CC with battlesuits? I can see lots of battlesuits equipped with twin linked plasma and single flamer or perhaps twin linked flamer and single plasma? Auto hit strength 5 hit at I10 possibly with 1 power weapon. After the free hits 3 att per suit or more for a commander all at strength 5. On top of that rapid fire plasma and/or flamer hits you before they CC. Plus when you charge them they get D3 flamer auto hits at you first with a twin linked plasma per suit. Not to mention one of th suits and shield drones might all be armor 2+ with FNP to survive against power weapons.

(Please note I said good, not great)

Fetterkey wrote:Can you explain the specifics of Brothers in Arms? What abilities work with allied armies and what don't?

I suspect that's going to take a lot of FAQing, since most abilities say things like "Eldar unit" because they weren't written with the idea of allies in mind. Rather than being written that way to specifically limit them, the wording wasn't considering the possibility of non-Eldar units in your army.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Can you explain the specifics of Brothers in Arms? What abilities work with allied armies and what don't?

I suspect that's going to take a lot of FAQing, since most abilities say things like "Eldar unit" because they weren't written with the idea of allies in mind. Rather than being written that way to specifically limit them, the wording wasn't considering the possibility of non-Eldar units in your army.

Can't join allied units or use psychic powers on allied units unless the armies are brothers in arms. The only brothers in arms eldar have is their de cousins. Maledictions like doom should still work to full effect for grudging allies, along with the runes of warding.

By the way, rattman, thank you. Quite helpful for you to volunteer like that.
Should you get the go-ahead, I'd appreciate if you have any insight into these questions, if you can find the answers:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2760/456706.page#4443867
Also curious as to whether Extra Armour is redefined in the book.


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OT: dammit, schadenfreude, I was going to start modeling my Necrons with no mouths, as "The Silent". Now I feel like I'm just going to look like I'm copying you. Blah.

rattman you are a god among men lol. I was wondering if you could post about how vehicles are ganna work now.

NOOOOOO they nerfed acute senses

OK other things of note
templates still scatter dice - BS. seen many reference to that changing its the same

Reading the special rules section my first thought is that a impy guard army with space wolf allies you can give the impy gaurd acute senses (which is changed) and they know no fear. Unless I am reading it wrong the marine ATKNF transfers to the impy guard troops

So how do the blast rules interact with fliers? Do the rules state "Shots taken at fliers are at BS1" or "Shots taken at fliers only hit on a 6+"?

We might start seeing some pie-plate flak getting thrown around.

Apoc flyers simply state that they can't be hit by templates or blasts. I'd be surprised if GW would have overlooked such an exploit when even completely balance-oblivious forgeworld managed to catch it.

Pottsey wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

They get one free I10 auto hit on the charge, that doesn't count as an actual attack.

It's at your base strength (so 4 for a Space Marine) and AP -.

(EDITED post to make more sense)
So Tau just got good at CC with battlesuits? I can see lots of battlesuits equipped with twin linked plasma and single flamer or perhaps twin linked flamer and single plasma? Auto hit strength 5 hit at I10 possibly with 1 power weapon. After the free hits 3 att per suit or more for a commander all at strength 5. On top of that rapid fire plasma and/or flamer hits you before they CC. Plus when you charge them they get D3 flamer auto hits at you first with a twin linked plasma per suit. Not to mention one of th suits and shield drones might all be armor 2+ with FNP to survive against power weapons.

(Please note I said good, not great)

Jump may not equal Jet for the purposes of this rule, we'll see. However, Vespid are definitely Jump, plus fleet and have a nasty assault gun...hmmm.

rattman wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

rattman wrote:
insert bookpicture here

Well damn. Apologies, then.

....now answer all our questions!

If a mod says it fine I will. some websites get upset when it changes from Rumors to facts

You should be fine as long as you don't post full tables or extensive verbatim sections of the rules, explaining in your own words how things work and small quotes that serve to illustrate your point will be fine.

Speaking of which, I'd love information on any changes to Open-Topped, and an explanation of what Flyers can use Evade against, whether it immediately takes them off the board or not, and whether a flyer zooming is entitled to a normal jink save like a fast skimmer

rattman wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

rattman wrote:
insert bookpicture here

Well damn. Apologies, then.

....now answer all our questions!

If a mod says it fine I will. some websites get upset when it changes from Rumors to facts

It is fine to answer questions as long as you don't post huge chunks of the rules verbatim.

yakface wrote:

It is fine to answer questions as long as you don't post huge chunks of the rules verbatim.

There we go an official answer

Ok 2 points
going to dinner soon
try an make them specifi. No question like "are xxxx going to suck mow"

A pre emptive answer on allies

Brotherhood
warlord skill can be used
IC's can join allied units
Pyschic powers can be cast on allied units

Allies of convience
cant use warlord bonus
ics cannot join squads
are not counted as friend for purposes of psychic powers

Desperate
as above but if 2 forces come with 6 of each other roll a d6 for each force, on a 1 they cannot move, shot assault

Do Penetrating Hits remove hull points? The Reddit poster claimed they didn't, but this seems extremely weird.

rattman wrote:

yakface wrote:

It is fine to answer questions as long as you don't post huge chunks of the rules verbatim.

There we go an official answer

Ok 2 points
going to dinner soon
try an make them specifi. No question like "are xxxx going to suck mow"

Drunkspleen wrote:Speaking of which, I'd love information on any changes to Open-Topped, and an explanation of what Flyers can use Evade against, whether it immediately takes them off the board or not, and whether a flyer zooming is entitled to a normal jink save like a fast skimmer

1.) Is their still a 2500 point limit for non Apoc games?

2.) What is the AP of Force Weapons?

3.) What special bonuses do fast vehicles have, if any?

4.) Do jump infantry still have to take dangerous terrain tests when they move in and/or out of cover?

There were also conflicting stories about rapid fire (stayed the same versus move and shoot to max range).

Fetterkey wrote:Do Penetrating Hits remove hull points? The Reddit poster claimed they didn't, but this seems extremely weird.

This, and are there any restrictions on allied units (Special Characters...)?

lord_blackfang wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Do Penetrating Hits remove hull points? The Reddit poster claimed they didn't, but this seems extremely weird.

This, and are there any restrictions on allied units (Special Characters...)?

They are offering Draigo on that allies sales page, it seems highly unlikely that they would do so if you aren't allowed to have special characters amongst your allies.

Rattman just became everyone's best friend, its out on Saturday peeps, if you know everything early you'll just be sad when there are no surprises left :-)

Drunkspleen wrote:Speaking of which, I'd love information on any changes to Open-Topped, and an explanation of what Flyers can use Evade against, whether it immediately takes them off the board or not, and whether a flyer zooming is entitled to a normal jink save like a fast skimmer

+1 on vehicle damage rolls
whole vehicle is an access point
all passengers can shoot
they count assault vehicle (gain the USR)


evade can be used against any to hit roll, they have the jinx USR till the end of your next turn and can only take snap shots. you dont seem to go immediately off the board. you must be zooming to get an evade, which gives you jinx


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Penetrating hits remove 1 hull point

no specific restriction on special characters