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I am pretty sure the gun is manned by a model and uses his BS. The bastion comes with HB on all four sides that doesn't require manning. Bastion have fire points and models inside can shoot out without being targeted.

If I can provide an AV14 fire magnets that take away those lascannon shots, I am pretty happy. Plus, I can always put my objective in my bastion. :-)

leohart wrote:I am pretty sure the gun is manned by a model and uses his BS. The bastion comes with HB on all four sides that doesn't require manning. Bastion have fire points and models inside can shoot out without being targeted.

If I can provide an AV14 fire magnets that take away those lascannon shots, I am pretty happy. Plus, I can always put my objective in my bastion. :-)

I don't think you'll be able to put the objective inside your fortification, that'd be like putting an objective inside your vehicle.

i love this concept, going to save me money..instead of starting a whole new army, I can just buy some and mix with current SW army...awesome

shank911 wrote:There should be a negative effect for you failing to get that charge though.

Because it allows, armies 12 inches out to be like what the hell lets go for it. And that I know of there is no minus to rolling under except you don't charge.

Uh...so let me understand this.

Player A declares a charge with his Death Company-all armed with power swords/fists, etc-really scary bastards-at Player B's Firewarriors 15 inches from where Player A's Death Company landed after moving. Player A decided to roll the dice-to never look back, and never think twice-and rolls 7 inches. The Angry Marines seethe their rage as they sit there-and take a salvo of s5 shooting (snap-fire), within Half-Distance of Player B's Firewarriors-a full size squad of 12.

Then it's Player B's turn-uh oh, Player A's Nasty Angry Vampire squad is sitting out in the middle of the map Crying cause Daddy left, but not doing very much. Player B shoots Player A's Death Company with Markerlights, and then assigns Crisis Suits and such to cleanse them with Plasma and Melta.

That several hundred point Deathstar that's really nasty given the new Rage USR, AND Furious Charge AND Feel No Pain, get's it's sad/angry ass chopped to chum in shooting because Player A rolled under.

How is that not negative shank911?

Reddit guy is back and answering questions.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

quilava1 wrote:

l0k1 wrote:Don't know if anyone noticed but on GW website their newest article confirms that the Valkyrie, Vendetta, Stormraven, and Razorwing now count as fliers as per the new rule book

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2700228

Bottom paragraph

Like that surprises anyone :p
Anything with a + shaped flying base is a flyer, it is a flyer base

Does that mean that they're finally standardizing these bases? Do skimmers have to have the skimmer base now?

Skimmers are supposed to be using the Skimmer Bases now, since it's in the rules that you are required to use the bases provided.

Where in the rulebook is that..?

Page 3, under Bases.

"Citadel models are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Of course, nobody glues the skimmers onto the bases, but they must be mounted on the base.

Reddit guy being back, I don't suppose someone with a reddit account wants to ask some of these questions that haven't already been answered?:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2760/456706.page#4443867

Trevak Dal wrote:

shank911 wrote:There should be a negative effect for you failing to get that charge though.

Because it allows, armies 12 inches out to be like what the hell lets go for it. And that I know of there is no minus to rolling under except you don't charge.

Uh...so let me understand this.

Player A declares a charge with his Death Company-all armed with power swords/fists, etc-really scary bastards-at Player B's Firewarriors 15 inches from where Player A's Death Company landed after moving. Player A decided to roll the dice-to never look back, and never think twice-and rolls 7 inches. The Angry Marines seethe their rage as they sit there-and take a salvo of s5 shooting (snap-fire), within Half-Distance of Player B's Firewarriors-a full size squad of 12.

Then it's Player B's turn-uh oh, Player A's Nasty Angry Vampire squad is sitting out in the middle of the map Crying cause Daddy left, but not doing very much. Player B shoots Player A's Death Company with Markerlights, and then assigns Crisis Suits and such to cleanse them with Plasma and Melta.

That several hundred point Deathstar that's really nasty given the new Rage USR, AND Furious Charge AND Feel No Pain, get's it's sad/angry ass chopped to chum in shooting because Player A rolled under.

How is that not negative shank911?

How is it any different from now?

Any squad of Fire Warriors not using some sort of cover deserves to get butchered, and if it was in cover, you still were rolling to see if you get there.

The only difference between then and now is ..

A) You can attempt the charge from 12 inches instead of 6 and save yourself another turn of shooting.

B) Twelve Fire Warriors get to try and shoot you at BS 1 (possibly 2 if the Targeting Array kicks in on defensive fire.)

12 guys needing sixes averages 2 hits and very likely only of 1 save, which you get a 3+ 5++ against.

Oh noes! Sarcasm aside, I agree with you. Failing the charge is bad enough... and if they implemented a system like Fantasy where you sortve stumble forward it would be even worse, because then failing charges STILL get you closer to assault. (I guess it renders you likely out of cover and in the open, and probably more open to counter charges?)

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote: i love this concept, going to save me money..instead of starting a whole new army, I can just buy some and mix with current SW army...awesome

That's not saving money at all.

You decided to not get a new army, because it would be too expensive. You spend zero, and GW gains nothing.

But now you can go out and buy whatever you want. That's at least an HQ and a troops, and you have the rest of the allies matrix to fill in. With the ability to add a second troops choice and swap out any of the other 1 slots, you are then spending money you wouldn't have, and I'd bet you'd end up with an army in the end.

Which, of course, is exactly why Allies were added. I've got to say, it's a brilliant method by GW to wring more money out of their playerbase.

So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

They get one free I10 auto hit on the charge, that doesn't count as an actual attack.

It's at your base strength (so 4 for a Space Marine) and AP -.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

There was something about an attack at their Strength at I10, which I think is supposed to represent them landing on the charged unit foot first. I don't think all their attacks are at I10, just an extra one.

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

quilava1 wrote:

l0k1 wrote:Don't know if anyone noticed but on GW website their newest article confirms that the Valkyrie, Vendetta, Stormraven, and Razorwing now count as fliers as per the new rule book

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2700228

Bottom paragraph

Like that surprises anyone :p
Anything with a + shaped flying base is a flyer, it is a flyer base

Does that mean that they're finally standardizing these bases? Do skimmers have to have the skimmer base now?

Skimmers are supposed to be using the Skimmer Bases now, since it's in the rules that you are required to use the bases provided.

Where in the rulebook is that..?

Page 3, under Bases.

"Citadel models are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Of course, nobody glues the skimmers onto the bases, but they must be mounted on the base.

And what about the models that don't come on bases? Or come on the wrong sized base? That sentence doesn't actually regulate base size. In fact, grammatically it exempts vehicles where GW forgot to put a base in the box and it implies that any model can be on any sized base as long as it came in the box.

Trevak Dal wrote:How is that not negative shank911?

Because random = fun!!!

Crazyterran wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

They get one free I10 auto hit on the charge, that doesn't count as an actual attack.

It's at your base strength (so 4 for a Space Marine) and AP -.

Dang, knew it was too good to be true. That's still pretty good though, against GEQ it should a least get a couple kills in to soften them up.

Ahtman wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

There was something about an attack at their Strength at I10, which I think is supposed to represent them landing on the charged unit foot first. I don't think all their attacks are at I10, just an extra one.

And I wonder if you get any special rules on that extra hit, such as a Wraith's Rending ability.

Yippee My books here !!

Zathras wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I keep hearing something about Jump Infantry being I10 on the charge, has that been verified? Cause if so, my DoA lists just became top tier...

There was something about an attack at their Strength at I10, which I think is supposed to represent them landing on the charged unit foot first. I don't think all their attacks are at I10, just an extra one.

And I wonder if you get any special rules on that extra hit, such as a Wraith's Rending ability.

Fingers crossed. Wraiths could really use the help to be competitive.


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rattman wrote:Yippee My books here !!

Lies and slander.
Have a digital camera?

Looks to me like a lot of people are supposing that the oint structure of the game will remain the same. What I see is that we will have 1999 and below and 2000+. Those will be two very different games. Basically Apoc has been folded into regular 40k.
Why? They want us who have maxed forces for the old FOC to buy more expensive models.
Does that mean the gmae will be bad? Heck no!
It does mean, however:
Tournies will change.
The meta cycle will restart.
3 entirely different metas will exist (1999, 2k, Allied).
Can anyone really say this is bad?

Jump Infantry and Flying MC's get impact hits at there str that auto-hits AND occurs before all other attacks at AP -

I think I'm scared....

oh well, at least wraiths are better
and my destroyer lord will get to hit first, even if it is with some weak attack... pft, AP - ....

BlackMath wrote:Looks to me like a lot of people are supposing that the oint structure of the game will remain the same. What I see is that we will have 1999 and below and 2000+. Those will be two very different games. Basically Apoc has been folded into regular 40k.
Why? They want us who have maxed forces for the old FOC to buy more expensive models.
Does that mean the gmae will be bad? Heck no!
It does mean, however:
Tournies will change.
The meta cycle will restart.
3 entirely different metas will exist (1999, 2k, Allied).
Can anyone really say this is bad?

So I take with this whole "2nd FoC after 2000 pts" rule, that games are no longer capped at 2500 points?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

quilava1 wrote:

l0k1 wrote:Don't know if anyone noticed but on GW website their newest article confirms that the Valkyrie, Vendetta, Stormraven, and Razorwing now count as fliers as per the new rule book

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2700228

Bottom paragraph

Like that surprises anyone :p
Anything with a + shaped flying base is a flyer, it is a flyer base

Does that mean that they're finally standardizing these bases? Do skimmers have to have the skimmer base now?

Skimmers are supposed to be using the Skimmer Bases now, since it's in the rules that you are required to use the bases provided.

Where in the rulebook is that..?

Page 3, under Bases.

"Citadel models are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Of course, nobody glues the skimmers onto the bases, but they must be mounted on the base.

And what about the models that don't come on bases? Or come on the wrong sized base? That sentence doesn't actually regulate base size. In fact, grammatically it exempts vehicles where GW forgot to put a base in the box and it implies that any model can be on any sized base as long as it came in the box.

Well, it's not hard to figure out which base is required, and vehicles don't typically come with one. Skimmers do, however, and they are provided with a base.

And, for using a different (scenic) base size, you have to ask your opponent if it's alright.

As fun as arguing semantics is, your skimmers need to use a base. The only ones that could position properly without looking bad/standing on a fiddly bit is the Tau ones, so...

Are you using your Hammerheads without bases to make them smaller targets?

rattman wrote:Yippee My books here !!

pics or it didn't happen

So it seems Extra Armour is either going to be terrible, or errataed into something like an extra hull point and be really good.

Lies and slander.
Have a digital camera?

rattman wrote:
insert bookpicture here

Well damn. Apologies, then.

....now answer all our questions!

I'll love you forever if you write all the Psychic Power tables in.

Love you FOREVER.

I dunno. Looks photoshopped to me.

infinite_array wrote:I dunno. Looks photoshopped to me.

You can tell by having seen a lot of photos and been in a bunch of shops?

ib4 everyone starts asking all the things we already know