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"You can kitbash more poses with other kits" isn't exactly proving the original point of "the original base kit was very limited". Neither is "you can slightly changes poses with heat" as that is the same as saying people can just cut and repose their plastics.

Yes, you can do those things, but it doesn't mean the original kit is more diverse right out of the box on it'a own.

The same people who will complain about how the "monopose" kits distinctive poses stick out to much in a crowd and thus are worse than the multipose kits where every model looked the same will also unironically explain to you how much extra effort they can put into their old minis in order to get them into distinctive poses that will stick out in a crowd more.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The same people who will complain about how the "monopose" kits distinctive poses stick out to much in a crowd and thus are worse than the multipose kits where every model looked the same will also unironically explain to you how much extra effort they can put into their old minis in order to get them into distinctive poses that will stick out in a crowd more.

I am sure that converting minis so they are more distinctive and therefore "stick outside in a crowd more" and having the same, distinctive, pose repeated eight times through four squads is the same, yes.

Or would be, if the one that did the conversion repeated it ad nauseam.

Anyways, this case is a bit different, I think, as the five actual poses are not that distinctive, and there's hope that at least arms and heads are fully interchangeable.

Honestly I'm okay with the troops kind of blending together visually with similar poses as the only models I really need to stand out are the characters (and special/heavy weapons but that's wargear not poses, unless you want back flipping missile launcher Astartes or something).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Honestly I'm okay with the troops kind of blending together visually with similar poses as the only models I really need to stand out are the characters (and special/heavy weapons but that's wargear not poses, unless you want back flipping missile launcher Astartes or something).

I can't think of a single sane person who wouldn't want that, tbh

I wouldn’t mind the repeated poses so much if 6/10 (well, 3/5) of the leg poses weren’t so bad.

 Rihgu wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Honestly I'm okay with the troops kind of blending together visually with similar poses as the only models I really need to stand out are the characters (and special/heavy weapons but that's wargear not poses, unless you want back flipping missile launcher Astartes or something).

I can't think of a single sane person who wouldn't want that, tbh

I mean it's no back flipping Terminator...

To be honest, i could live with 5 repeated poses and 5 repeated bolter poses, except 3 of the bodies are pretty much identical, and 2 of the bolter poses are nearly entirely copied from a diffrent two, so it's more like 3 body poses (standing, running with one leg forward, running with the other leg forward) and 3 bolter poses (at ease, aiming and hip-firing).

The monopose/polypose arguments are very dull and silly. It’s all subjective. I am happy to exchange a waist that can be rotated in one plain for a more natural looking torso and legs. Overall the models but better to me that way. But that’s my tastes, anyone else’s tastes will be different but no more or less valid. Whether you like the new direction GW has taken or not is not changing the fact that they have taken it. And for every complainer on here there is another that likes it. Re-running these old arguments isn’t helpful or interesting, and neither side will convince the other by now.

Andykp wrote:
The monopose/polypose arguments are very dull and silly. It’s all subjective. I am happy to exchange a waist that can be rotated in one plain for a more natural looking torso and legs. Overall the models but better to me that way. But that’s my tastes, anyone else’s tastes will be different but no more or less valid. Whether you like the new direction GW has taken or not is not changing the fact that they have taken it. And for every complainer on here there is another that likes it. Re-running these old arguments isn’t helpful or interesting, and neither side will convince the other by now.

People can like what they want, I'm just annoyed by the misuse of terminology. Calling both a fixed-pose starter-kit jigsaw models that can be constructed basically in one way, and a kit that allows you to combine various arm positions with different bodies thus allowing creating variety of differently posed models as 'monopose' is just misleading and confusing.

The Horus Heresy – How the Great Triumph Led to Greater Tragedy - WarCom

'yeeting?' Oooh boy.

Glad GW is getting hip to the kid's lingo of five years ago.

RazorEdge wrote:
Found the rumor on faeit:

It's a set with different weapon options (in the same fashion like for Necromunda and those close weapon sets from FW) which couldn't fit into the regulary Horus Heresy sprues.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/03/horus-heresy-rumors-space-marine.html

What do you think, credible with view on what we know about the MkVI Tactical Squad?

I'm a bit unsure whether to believe it, simply because in order to make a heavy or special weapons squad using the legion list, don't you always need 4x or 5x of the same weapon? (I forget whether even squad leaders have to take one, I don't play 30k) A plastic sprue with, for example, 5 meltas, 5 plasmas, 5 volkites, 5 grav guns? Seems too good to be true.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Found the rumor on faeit:

It's a set with different weapon options (in the same fashion like for Necromunda and those close weapon sets from FW) which couldn't fit into the regulary Horus Heresy sprues.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/03/horus-heresy-rumors-space-marine.html

What do you think, credible with view on what we know about the MkVI Tactical Squad?

I'm a bit unsure whether to believe it, simply because in order to make a heavy or special weapons squad using the legion list, don't you always need 4x or 5x of the same weapon? (I forget whether even squad leaders have to take one, I don't play 30k) A plastic sprue with, for example, 5 meltas, 5 plasmas, 5 volkites, 5 grav guns? Seems too good to be true.

I would more expect missing Sergeant options. Special Weapons do we already have from FW.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Found the rumor on faeit:

It's a set with different weapon options (in the same fashion like for Necromunda and those close weapon sets from FW) which couldn't fit into the regulary Horus Heresy sprues.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/03/horus-heresy-rumors-space-marine.html

What do you think, credible with view on what we know about the MkVI Tactical Squad?

I'm a bit unsure whether to believe it, simply because in order to make a heavy or special weapons squad using the legion list, don't you always need 4x or 5x of the same weapon? (I forget whether even squad leaders have to take one, I don't play 30k) A plastic sprue with, for example, 5 meltas, 5 plasmas, 5 volkites, 5 grav guns? Seems too good to be true.

Maybe a little sprue of just 10 of the same special or heavy weapon...for $15+.

Voss wrote:
'yeeting?' Oooh boy.

Glad GW is getting hip to the kid's lingo of five years ago.

That's, as I believe the kids say, pretty cringe.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
"You can kitbash more poses with other kits" isn't exactly proving the original point of "the original base kit was very limited". Neither is "you can slightly changes poses with heat" as that is the same as saying people can just cut and repose their plastics.

Yes, you can do those things, but it doesn't mean the original kit is more diverse right out of the box on it'a own.

Reposing resin legs is a heckuva lot easier than reposing plastic legs.

Again, my gripe is not that we only get 5 poses, but that we only get 5 poses and have ZERO other kits to kitbash with for more variety, as the new resculpts (which admittedly look superior) are incompatible with the leg pieces of older kits. This is exactly the same situation we were when Primaris Interecessors were released. Fast forward to today, we have Hellblasters, Interecessors and Assault Interecessors to kitbash with, tripling our torso/pose kitbashing potential - much, much better!

The heavy weapons/special weapons thing will be interesting to see. If the old FW resin upgrades are to remain compatible, the hands of these NuBeakies will have to be separate from the arms like on the older models.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
The same people who will complain about how the "monopose" kits distinctive poses stick out to much in a crowd and thus are worse than the multipose kits where every model looked the same will also unironically explain to you how much extra effort they can put into their old minis in order to get them into distinctive poses that will stick out in a crowd more.

I don't know if this was a critique towards me? If it was, I'll let you know that I do not intend to build an army with much more than 30-40 marines altogether. My idea of Space Marines is based on their scarcity and high value as assets to the Imperium, the army will have much more vehicles and mechanized units than actual infantry, and when I'm done, every single infantry model will be unique one way or the other. Sure enough, if I was planning on building a legion with 60-100 marines, I wouldn't be so concerned about having model repetition in my army. But this is my army, and I have my own prerogatives with it. Feel free to build your army exactly as you see it, I will not judge you. It's your hobby.

It's funny, it almost sounds like you are upset about someone doing things differently from you.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I do really like the new proportions (kind of wish they were redoing the Mk III and IV marines in them - but they are relatively new and nice kits in their own right). I pretty happy with how they look in the different color schemes shown.

As an Iron Warrior fan, I am a bit skeptical how they will look in Iron Warriors colors......but I might just use them for a second legion and keep the Iron Warriors in mostly Mk III and a smattering of IV. Mark VI wasn't a mark the Iron Warriors were fond of anyways, though towards the end of the war, i'm sure the legions were using whatever they could get their hands on.

If it helps, I've never seen any version of power armor that looks bad in metallic colors.

It does, I appreciate your input!


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I do really like the new proportions (kind of wish they were redoing the Mk III and IV marines in them - but they are relatively new and nice kits in their own right). I pretty happy with how they look in the different color schemes shown.

As an Iron Warrior fan, I am a bit skeptical how they will look in Iron Warriors colors......but I might just use them for a second legion and keep the Iron Warriors in mostly Mk III and a smattering of IV. Mark VI wasn't a mark the Iron Warriors were fond of anyways, though towards the end of the war, i'm sure the legions were using whatever they could get their hands on.

If it helps, I've never seen any version of power armor that looks bad in metallic colors.

Chaos Space Marines also have all Mk5, Mk6 and Mk7 Legs in their Sets.

Very good point! Thanks!

 tauist wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Reposing resin legs is a heckuva lot easier than reposing plastic legs.

then thats a materials complaint not a kit complaint

chaos0xomega wrote:
The same people who will complain about how the "monopose" kits distinctive poses stick out to much in a crowd and thus are worse than the multipose kits where every model looked the same will also unironically explain to you how much extra effort they can put into their old minis in order to get them into distinctive poses that will stick out in a crowd more.

Umm, this is either missing the point or disingenuous. The problem of dramatic mono-poses is that they look like they're doing a synchronized dance or something. They stand out as the same. Effort to make your models look unique means they stand out because they're different. Variation arguably would look more realistic, or immersive, or what have you; similarity would look more artificial. One guy running and chucking a grenade adds interest. Four guys across two squads throwing a grenade in the same way looks copy-pasted.

Subjectively speaking, etc. etc.

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 tauist wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Reposing resin legs is a heckuva lot easier than reposing plastic legs.

then thats a materials complaint not a kit complaint

GW could totally make 30pc individual marines, where they were completely poseable. As much of a modeler I am, that sounds like a nightmare when done 50 times. Now my guess is that each marine will be 10-15 from tip to toe(that's farkle, head, pauldrons etc). Whether the kit will have decent choice when it comes to compatability amongst poses will be determined by the amount of kits they choose to make.

 tauist wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
"You can kitbash more poses with other kits" isn't exactly proving the original point of "the original base kit was very limited". Neither is "you can slightly changes poses with heat" as that is the same as saying people can just cut and repose their plastics.

Yes, you can do those things, but it doesn't mean the original kit is more diverse right out of the box on it'a own.

Reposing resin legs is a heckuva lot easier than reposing plastic legs.

Again, my gripe is not that we only get 5 poses, but that we only get 5 poses and have ZERO other kits to kitbash with for more variety, as the new resculpts (which admittedly look superior) are incompatible with the leg pieces of older kits. This is exactly the same situation we were when Primaris Interecessors were released. Fast forward to today, we have Hellblasters, Interecessors and Assault Interecessors to kitbash with, tripling our torso/pose kitbashing potential - much, much better!

The heavy weapons/special weapons thing will be interesting to see. If the old FW resin upgrades are to remain compatible, the hands of these NuBeakies will have to be separate from the arms like on the older models.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
The same people who will complain about how the "monopose" kits distinctive poses stick out to much in a crowd and thus are worse than the multipose kits where every model looked the same will also unironically explain to you how much extra effort they can put into their old minis in order to get them into distinctive poses that will stick out in a crowd more.

I don't know if this was a critique towards me? If it was, I'll let you know that I do not intend to build an army with much more than 30-40 marines altogether. My idea of Space Marines is based on their scarcity and high value as assets to the Imperium, the army will have much more vehicles and mechanized units than actual infantry, and when I'm done, every single infantry model will be unique one way or the other. Sure enough, if I was planning on building a legion with 60-100 marines, I wouldn't be so concerned about having model repetition in my army. But this is my army, and I have my own prerogatives with it. Feel free to build your army exactly as you see it, I will not judge you. It's your hobby.

It's funny, it almost sounds like you are upset about someone doing things differently from you.

It was really a general critique about one side of the argument and the hypocritical mental gymnastics they use to try to justify the supposed superiority of their multipose waifus. In this case it has nothing to do with you doing anything differently (by all means, they are cool minis), but rather that you've sided with the "multipose miniature master race" crowd while aptly demonstrating that the indistinct sameness of those same minis has driven you to make an added effort to attempt to differentiate them with more distinct posing, not long after another poster suggested that the more distinct and differentiated poses offered by monopose minis are a problem, rather than a feature, because they make the models stand out more amongst the unit rather than blending in with one another.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Again, the arguments are old and stale and fall apart under scrutiny.

Not really. No. They stick together like plastic multi-part multi-pose models held together with plastic cement. And I ain't even brought up Intercessors, so nice try there.

I've provided endless amounts of screenshots of sprues showing the CLEAR AS DAY divide when things began to change with GW miniatures. You and your ilk can continue to deny reality and pretend that things have always been like this when that's clearly not the case. A guy a few posts above even says that the arms are numbered to the torso on these new Beakies, meaning they're even less posable. But I guess that's imaginary as well, right? Or doesn't really mean anything, as they were basically non-posable before (but still aren't mono-pose as well... 'cause that makes sense!).

But hey, you do you man. Keep denying reality. I don't a give a damn anymore...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Even from the preview pictures GW have showed the repetition is egregious.

No, no. Haven't you been listening? The repetition is not real. It's completely in our heads. We're all utterly mental for even beginning to think that these minis are in any way different - at all - to the kits from even 6 years ago.

We have to stop pretending that multi-pose was ever a thing. It wasn't. There have never been multi-pose kits, and these minis also (paradoxially) aren't mono-pose... somehow! They're just... pose, I suppose. Ha! Suppose.

You love pointing at the Thousand Sons kits as the pinnacle of multi-pose, but the rubric marines had the same issue. 2 sets of 5 legs and torsos and other things, with an extra bit to make the aspiring sorcerer stand on a heroic rock. It's easy to miss because unlike the very simple look of regular tactical marines, the thousand sons have a ton of detail obscuring the flat surfaces of the models. So go ahead and lump the thousand sons in with all the other 'multipose' kits like the resin Mark VI (which, to the other poster that clearly didn't do his research, DOES come in the classic legs + torso + arms + backpack + head configuration, but still doesn't invalidate my point) which is that there's still more limit than you might think, and the number of poses you can get out of the rubric marines is even further limited by the tabards that prevent you from rotating the torso a long way around.

The Exalted Sorcerer kit is there with only a SMALL HANDFUL of other kits that are like this. The Daemon Prince, the old Space Marine Command Squad, and maybe a few others here and there. You like to flaunt it as the standard of what GW "can and should" be achieving for every single kit, but it's actually not at all standard. It's excellent because it's for an HQ unit, and we've seen a few other HQ units that have multiple ways to build the model, though the same base pose. The Sisters of Battle Canoness has options. The new Gravis Space Marine Captain has options. The only thing that those kits are missing are multiple bodies, but it just wouldn't make sense for GW to sell a kit of 3 Canonesses or 3 Space Marine Captains. With those other ranges, there's also nothing stopping you from converting a canoness or captain out of other kits, because many of the bits are compatible across the range. Same with Orks. Same with Chaos Marines. You'll find a limit here or there, but no other faction gives you 3 leaders in a box with as many options. It was a one-off. If you enjoy those kits so much, then it seems like your needs should be satisfied! Make a wonderfully varied Thousand Sons army with all of the multi-pose models you can get your hands on!

Instead, what we end up with is a toxic mix of entitlement and rose-tinted nostalgia that creates these arguments that never, ever, EVER change anyone's mind. At the end of the day, they serve one purpose:

So angry grognards can try to throw a dagger at a picture of GW and continue their grumbling about how awful things are in this forum of other people complaining about how awful things are.

Oh, and of course, if anyone's sick of the grognard stinking up the place, they get called a GW fanboy and all of their own complaints and stink is ignored and dismissed. Wonderful thing about opinions: they don't matter to those that have the opposing opinion.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
"You can kitbash more poses with other kits" isn't exactly proving the original point of "the original base kit was very limited". Neither is "you can slightly changes poses with heat" as that is the same as saying people can just cut and repose their plastics.

Yes, you can do those things, but it doesn't mean the original kit is more diverse right out of the box on it'a own.

Reposing resin legs is a heckuva lot easier than reposing plastic legs.

Again, my gripe is not that we only get 5 poses, but that we only get 5 poses and have ZERO other kits to kitbash with for more variety, as the new resculpts (which admittedly look superior) are incompatible with the leg pieces of older kits. This is exactly the same situation we were when Primaris Interecessors were released. Fast forward to today, we have Hellblasters, Interecessors and Assault Interecessors to kitbash with, tripling our torso/pose kitbashing potential - much, much better!

The heavy weapons/special weapons thing will be interesting to see. If the old FW resin upgrades are to remain compatible, the hands of these NuBeakies will have to be separate from the arms like on the older models.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
The same people who will complain about how the "monopose" kits distinctive poses stick out to much in a crowd and thus are worse than the multipose kits where every model looked the same will also unironically explain to you how much extra effort they can put into their old minis in order to get them into distinctive poses that will stick out in a crowd more.

I don't know if this was a critique towards me? If it was, I'll let you know that I do not intend to build an army with much more than 30-40 marines altogether. My idea of Space Marines is based on their scarcity and high value as assets to the Imperium, the army will have much more vehicles and mechanized units than actual infantry, and when I'm done, every single infantry model will be unique one way or the other. Sure enough, if I was planning on building a legion with 60-100 marines, I wouldn't be so concerned about having model repetition in my army. But this is my army, and I have my own prerogatives with it. Feel free to build your army exactly as you see it, I will not judge you. It's your hobby.

It's funny, it almost sounds like you are upset about someone doing things differently from you.

It was really a general critique about one side of the argument and the hypocritical mental gymnastics they use to try to justify the supposed superiority of their multipose waifus. In this case it has nothing to do with you doing anything differently (by all means, they are cool minis), but rather that you've sided with the "multipose miniature master race" crowd while aptly demonstrating that the indistinct sameness of those same minis has driven you to make an added effort to attempt to differentiate them with more distinct posing, not long after another poster suggested that the more distinct and differentiated poses offered by monopose minis are a problem, rather than a feature, because they make the models stand out more amongst the unit rather than blending in with one another.

Faces generally have 2 eyes, a nose, and a mouth. There are subtle differences between individual's faces that make them distinguishable if you look closely. A sea of slightly different faces looks like a crowd. A sea of faces where there are only 5 types and where every face of a given type is identical looks like a clone army. If on top of that, every third face also has an eye patch and pirate hat then it just looks silly.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Again, the arguments are old and stale and fall apart under scrutiny.

Not really. No. They stick together like plastic multi-part multi-pose models held together with plastic cement. And I ain't even brought up Intercessors, so nice try there.

I've provided endless amounts of screenshots of sprues showing the CLEAR AS DAY divide when things began to change with GW miniatures. You and your ilk can continue to deny reality and pretend that things have always been like this when that's clearly not the case. A guy a few posts above even says that the arms are numbered to the torso on these new Beakies, meaning they're even less posable. But I guess that's imaginary as well, right? Or doesn't really mean anything, as they were basically non-posable before (but still aren't mono-pose as well... 'cause that makes sense!).

But hey, you do you man. Keep denying reality. I don't a give a damn anymore...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Even from the preview pictures GW have showed the repetition is egregious.

No, no. Haven't you been listening? The repetition is not real. It's completely in our heads. We're all utterly mental for even beginning to think that these minis are in any way different - at all - to the kits from even 6 years ago.

We have to stop pretending that multi-pose was ever a thing. It wasn't. There have never been multi-pose kits, and these minis also (paradoxially) aren't mono-pose... somehow! They're just... pose, I suppose. Ha! Suppose.

You love pointing at the Thousand Sons kits as the pinnacle of multi-pose, but the rubric marines had the same issue. 2 sets of 5 legs and torsos and other things, with an extra bit to make the aspiring sorcerer stand on a heroic rock. It's easy to miss because unlike the very simple look of regular tactical marines, the thousand sons have a ton of detail obscuring the flat surfaces of the models. So go ahead and lump the thousand sons in with all the other 'multipose' kits like the resin Mark VI (which, to the other poster that clearly didn't do his research, DOES come in the classic legs + torso + arms + backpack + head configuration, but still doesn't invalidate my point) which is that there's still more limit than you might think, and the number of poses you can get out of the rubric marines is even further limited by the tabards that prevent you from rotating the torso a long way around.

The Exalted Sorcerer kit is there with only a SMALL HANDFUL of other kits that are like this. The Daemon Prince, the old Space Marine Command Squad, and maybe a few others here and there. You like to flaunt it as the standard of what GW "can and should" be achieving for every single kit, but it's actually not at all standard. It's excellent because it's for an HQ unit, and we've seen a few other HQ units that have multiple ways to build the model, though the same base pose. The Sisters of Battle Canoness has options. The new Gravis Space Marine Captain has options. The only thing that those kits are missing are multiple bodies, but it just wouldn't make sense for GW to sell a kit of 3 Canonesses or 3 Space Marine Captains. With those other ranges, there's also nothing stopping you from converting a canoness or captain out of other kits, because many of the bits are compatible across the range. Same with Orks. Same with Chaos Marines. You'll find a limit here or there, but no other faction gives you 3 leaders in a box with as many options. It was a one-off. If you enjoy those kits so much, then it seems like your needs should be satisfied! Make a wonderfully varied Thousand Sons army with all of the multi-pose models you can get your hands on!

Instead, what we end up with is a toxic mix of entitlement and rose-tinted nostalgia that creates these arguments that never, ever, EVER change anyone's mind. At the end of the day, they serve one purpose:

So angry grognards can try to throw a dagger at a picture of GW and continue their grumbling about how awful things are in this forum of other people complaining about how awful things are.

Oh, and of course, if anyone's sick of the grognard stinking up the place, they get called a GW fanboy and all of their own complaints and stink is ignored and dismissed. Wonderful thing about opinions: they don't matter to those that have the opposing opinion.

PLUS stuff like the daemon prince and exalted sorc aren't even that poseable -- they just come with more weapon/gear options in the box.

Some folks are thinking that the Termiantors could be too small in relation of the upcoming Beakies, I can calm you cause I found a nice detail.

I was reading an older WD and it featured an Fallen Angels Army with MkIII and Cataphractii Models. The good; all of them are 100% in scale with the actual models (32mm and 40mm wide are the bases on the pages).

I measured them from Foot to Head and the Terminators are much taller than the MkIII. The issues also featured the new CSMs in 100% printed and they are same tall than the Terminators.

I actually went to the GW site and counted.

Out of all of the Warhammer 40k kits under the "HQ" tag, there are 234 kits. Many of them are of course named characters.

12 of them could be considered 'Multipose' and here they are:

Big Mek in Meganob Armor (a pack of 3 Meganobz)
The 4 Custodes kits that can be used to make one of their leaders.
The Tau Empire Commander
The Daemon Prince
Cadian Command Squad
Catachan Command Squad
Tyranid Hive Tyrant
Exalted Sorcerers (which aren't even in HQ but I've included them here)

Of those, the Daemon Prince and Hive Tyrant have a base 'core' of the common thing that people complain about: a fused torso and legs.

MANY more of the HQ units across the range have multiple options, but 'suffer' from the same thing that monopose complainers complain about: fused torso and legs.

I haven't built any of the Custodes or Ork kits so I'm not sure how they go together, but I'm guessing... fused torso and legs. Maybe the Meganobz have a ball joint for their waist?

So that leaves the 2 aging Command Squads and the Tau Commander and of course the Exalted Sorcerer kit. So...

3 out of 234? A little over 1% of GW's HQ sets are the prime example of kit-building across the industry? And of these, only a handful actually replaced an older kit. There were many, many, MANY kits that were brand new, like the Contorted Epitome, the Lord Discordant, and the Beastboss on Squigosaur.


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RazorEdge wrote:
Some folks are thinking that the Termiantors could be too small in relation of the upcoming Beakies, I can calm you cause I found a nice detail.

I was reading an older WD and it featured an Fallen Angels Army with MkIII and Cataphractii Models. The good; all of them are 100% in scale with the actual models (32mm and 40mm wide are the bases on the pages).

I measured them from Foot to Head and the Terminator Marines are much taller than the MkIII Power Armour Miniatures. The issues also featured the new CSMs in 100% printed and they are same tall than the Terminators.

This is good. I guess I'll have to see how they measure up when they are side by side.

I do wonder if the new Cataphracti are going to be the old kit, or if they're going to be an updated kit.

drbored wrote:
I actually went to the GW site and counted.

Out of all of the Warhammer 40k kits under the "HQ" tag, there are 234 kits. Many of them are of course named characters.

12 of them could be considered 'Multipose' and here they are:

3 out of 234? A little over 1% of GW's HQ sets are the prime example of kit-building across the industry? And of these, only a handful actually replaced an older kit. There were many, many, MANY kits that were brand new, like the Contorted Epitome, the Lord Discordant, and the Beastboss on Squigosaur.

...why would one want to check HQ kits to "prove" anything about monopose or multipose kits? One would think that HQ kits, by their very nature of needing few in an army, would be much less of a "problem" in regards to posability than troop kits.

I mean, if you go check the oldmarines line, how many of the regular kits can be considererd "multipose"?

That said, yes, most of the HQs (except the squads, for obvious reasons) tend to be either fully monopose, particularly special characters (duh) or they have a single pose and multiple options. I don't think anyone was disputing that.

I will be honest I remember these guys so have a pretty low bar, so by comparison all of the new poses look great!



Although I remember at the time people complaining that the 2nd edition box set marine was deliberately poor to push people into buying the metal (and much more expensive) mk7 marines, which had a lot more poses. It did definitely feel like a step back from the posing possibilities of the RTB-01 kit, that was for sure.