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Andykp wrote:
What this kit really makes me want to do is build a lovely 1st/2nd edition army with all the modern (retro) kits.

I was planning on remake my original RT Salamanders doing the same thing.

I played HH for a couple of years back in 2016-2018. Personally I found the community to be no different than the communities for AoS and 40K. But I also don't think the GW communities are all that bad when compared to other stuff I've been in.

I have to say that seeing the models in a wider range of colors has warmed me up them a bit more. Death Guard was probably the oddest one, but unlike MkIII and MkIV where some legions can feel out of place in that armour (I think it's a combination of color combos and lore that does it to me at least) the beakies seem to do every color scheme they've put them in well.

I am a little surprised there aren't any special or heavy weapons mixed in but if I had to guess the intent isn't to try and piggyback the set into 40k for extra sales and instead treat it as a primarily HH product instead.

As for the complaints about limited posing, I've always been confused by the grievance. Mind I spent years with a single option for each heavy weapon and three poses with Bolters for Sisters (and adding in spending time doing the whole military thing which means dressing like everyone else and marching in step), but I mean when you dealing with an army, especially the more uniform legions having models that look similar just kind of makes sense. Plus do you really spend all your time in a game looking for duplicate poses, or do you play time just playing the game?

Again, I've got a bias, but I've just never seen not having a whole bunch of unique poses for every single model as an issue. I'm just happy that the models aren't doing the old "full diaper" squat anymore.

As long as arms and heads are switchable, fixed torsos and legs are overall fine to me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I have to say that seeing the models in a wider range of colors has warmed me up them a bit more.

They look good in yellow, that much is true.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I have to say that seeing the models in a wider range of colors has warmed me up them a bit more. Death Guard was probably the oddest one, but unlike MkIII and MkIV where some legions can feel out of place in that armour (I think it's a combination of color combos and lore that does it to me at least) the beakies seem to do every color scheme they've put them in well.

I am a little surprised there aren't any special or heavy weapons mixed in but if I had to guess the intent isn't to try and piggyback the set into 40k for extra sales and instead treat it as a primarily HH product instead.

As for the complaints about limited posing, I've always been confused by the grievance. Mind I spent years with a single option for each heavy weapon and three poses with Bolters for Sisters (and adding in spending time doing the whole military thing which means dressing like everyone else and marching in step), but I mean when you dealing with an army, especially the more uniform legions having models that look similar just kind of makes sense. Plus do you really spend all your time in a game looking for duplicate poses, or do you play time just playing the game?

Again, I've got a bias, but I've just never seen not having a whole bunch of unique poses for every single model as an issue. I'm just happy that the models aren't doing the old "full diaper" squat anymore.

I have my doubts regarding the Iron Hands, but then, I have Mk3/4 to scratch all my clunky armour itches, so may the new stuff bring joy to you all else!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I have to say that seeing the models in a wider range of colors has warmed me up them a bit more.

They look good in yellow, that much is true.

Night Lords blue ain't bad either. No opinion on Ultramarines blue though, it's so basic it goes on everything.

Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-



There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Spoiler:

There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

Can confirm...each set of arms are numbered 1-5 and they really only work in 1 position each.

 Tronbot2600 wrote:

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Spoiler:

There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

Can confirm...each set of arms are numbered 1-5 and they really only work in 1 position each.

Hasn't really stopped anyone before. All it takes is a little creativity and a scalpel.

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Yeah, 'cause that's the comparison that was being made.

I heard a lot of talk about how the new Intercessor kits were fine because anyone "good enough" would still be able to customize them. Well I don't see a whole lot of Primaris conversions out there, whereas I just built a bunch of HH marines out of the same old tired Tac box that's been the start of so many projects. Or am I supposed to be happy with a few bitz swaps now because GW said so?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Yeah, 'cause that's the comparison that was being made.

Comparisons to Intercessors are tired. The Intercessors kit is actually really solid. I've built it. Get better Marines out of it than I've EVER gotten out of the old Tactical Marines and Chaos Marines of the previous style. Arm sets can be freely swapped across torsos making for even more pose options than you'd get normally, and yes, that's with 'ONLY' 5 torso/leg sets.

The Mark VI marines are likely to be much the same.

The Mark III and Mark IV marines were not all that poseable either. Due to the Mark III having a longer front section, you could only turn it so far, and there were still only 5 pairs of legs, most in the same sorts of pose you'd find in the Tactical marine box. No crouched poses, no running poses, just all kinda standing there.

Again, the arguments are old and stale and fall apart under scrutiny. Seems people either want the moon, with every finger and toe able to be posed, or you vaguely refer to something that you think is superior but... is either the same net, or not superior at all.

But hey, go and become a 3d modeler so you can 3d print your perfect marines in exactly the way and mark of armor and pose and other things you want!

Just please, stop.


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 Hairesy wrote:
I heard a lot of talk about how the new Intercessor kits were fine because anyone "good enough" would still be able to customize them. Well I don't see a whole lot of Primaris conversions out there, whereas I just built a bunch of HH marines out of the same old tired Tac box that's been the start of so many projects. Or am I supposed to be happy with a few bitz swaps now because GW said so?

You may not see many conversions, but it hardly has anything to do with the kit itself. Please, instead, show me all of the amazingly stunning conversions using the old Tactical Marine kit that produce poses that are superior to today's kits. Would love to see those, unironically.

Also just check out golden daemon entries and the top tier painters, you'll see plenty of things you can do with all that sort of stuff.

The fact of the matter is that MOST hobbyists and gamers build the model out of the box, paint it as is, and go about their day.

I don't think that it's at all unreasonable to want to have ten leg/torso poses per ten models, rather than five, even if there's no waist joint.

Even from the preview pictures GW have showed the repetition is egregious.

I'm sure we will see running poses with Assault Marines.

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Spoiler:

There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

Those leg poses are however much better than the new ones.


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 Tronbot2600 wrote:

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Spoiler:

There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

Can confirm...each set of arms are numbered 1-5 and they really only work in 1 position each.

That’s not gonna be any different with the new ones? Paired arms do only work in 1 position each.

drbored wrote:
Again, the arguments are old and stale and fall apart under scrutiny.

Not really. No. They stick together like plastic multi-part multi-pose models held together with plastic cement. And I ain't even brought up Intercessors, so nice try there.

I've provided endless amounts of screenshots of sprues showing the CLEAR AS DAY divide when things began to change with GW miniatures. You and your ilk can continue to deny reality and pretend that things have always been like this when that's clearly not the case. A guy a few posts above even says that the arms are numbered to the torso on these new Beakies, meaning they're even less posable. But I guess that's imaginary as well, right? Or doesn't really mean anything, as they were basically non-posable before (but still aren't mono-pose as well... 'cause that makes sense!).

But hey, you do you man. Keep denying reality. I don't a give a damn anymore...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Even from the preview pictures GW have showed the repetition is egregious.

No, no. Haven't you been listening? The repetition is not real. It's completely in our heads. We're all utterly mental for even beginning to think that these minis are in any way different - at all - to the kits from even 6 years ago.

We have to stop pretending that multi-pose was ever a thing. It wasn't. There have never been multi-pose kits, and these minis also (paradoxially) aren't mono-pose... somehow! They're just... pose, I suppose. Ha! Suppose.

RazorEdge wrote:I'm sure we will see running poses with Assault Marines.

This. I wasn't happy with the variety of intercessor poses when the first came out. But looking at the variety they have out now across the 3 tacticus kits kits out there it's not inconceivable that the same would bode for 30k. The downside is 40k had to wait for year and an edition change new box set for it to happen. I hope this isn't the case for beakies.

You know what would be nice ..? If certain people could just accept that the line between posable and monopose is subjective, that whether or not it matters is subjective, that whether the new style is better or worse than the old style is subjective.

That way we could stop having the same argument literally every time GW preview a new kit and we wouldn’t have pages of people trying to prove that other people’s subjective opinions are wrong.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You know what would be nice ..? If certain people could just accept that the line between posable and monopose is subjective, that whether or not it matters is subjective, that whether the new style is better or worse than the old style is subjective.

That way we could stop having the same argument literally every time GW preview a new kit and we wouldn’t have pages of people trying to prove that other people’s subjective opinions are wrong.

a- fething -men

on another note, I recently for a convo in a discord took a picture of a MK III marine beside one of the new CSMs. I expect the MK 6 kit to be basicly the same as the CSM kit in terms of general construction.



I think over all with that in mind the beakies are gonna fit in fine with the mk iii and mk iv kits on the field, so those wanting some visual flair can run mixes of armor marks without too many issues

I do really like the new proportions (kind of wish they were redoing the Mk III and IV marines in them - but they are relatively new and nice kits in their own right). I pretty happy with how they look in the different color schemes shown.

As an Iron Warrior fan, I am a bit skeptical how they will look in Iron Warriors colors......but I might just use them for a second legion and keep the Iron Warriors in mostly Mk III and a smattering of IV. Mark VI wasn't a mark the Iron Warriors were fond of anyways, though towards the end of the war, i'm sure the legions were using whatever they could get their hands on.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We have to stop pretending that multi-pose was ever a thing. It wasn't. There have never been multi-pose kits, and these minis also (paradoxially) aren't mono-pose... somehow! They're just... pose, I suppose. Ha! Suppose.

Strange things going on and GW marketing is doing its thing

you know, having 3 different legs, 3 different torsos (not fixed to the legs), 5 different heads (not fixed) and 3 different pairs of arms (not fixed) is now "too many duplicates to be useful in a mass battle game"

while 5 different models without the possibility to easy change them is superior and perfectly fine for mass battle games regarding duplicates
as long as GW makes it of course, 3rd party Marines that have 5 different bodies with free to pose arms and heads are considered a no-go because they produce too many duplicates which is unacceptable these days

don't know if people are not aware that they apply double standards here and just 1:1 copy GW marketing and add that models must be superior to justify the price, or are just White Knights that go around social media to advertise the superiority of new GW models

 Sabotage! wrote:
I do really like the new proportions (kind of wish they were redoing the Mk III and IV marines in them - but they are relatively new and nice kits in their own right). I pretty happy with how they look in the different color schemes shown.

As an Iron Warrior fan, I am a bit skeptical how they will look in Iron Warriors colors......but I might just use them for a second legion and keep the Iron Warriors in mostly Mk III and a smattering of IV. Mark VI wasn't a mark the Iron Warriors were fond of anyways, though towards the end of the war, i'm sure the legions were using whatever they could get their hands on.

If it helps, I've never seen any version of power armor that looks bad in metallic colors.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You know what would be nice ..? If certain people could just accept that the line between posable and monopose is subjective, that whether or not it matters is subjective, that whether the new style is better or worse than the old style is subjective.

That way we could stop having the same argument literally every time GW preview a new kit and we wouldn’t have pages of people trying to prove that other people’s subjective opinions are wrong.

If you don't want to see any subjective views, just look at the announcements on the WarCom pages.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it helps, I've never seen any version of power armor that looks bad in metallic colors.

Friend of mine once sprayed his Marines with chrome paint. That... was an interesting take. Mirror finish Marines.

drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Spoiler:

There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

Isn't that resin version? Compare monopose models to multipose　if you dom't want to show yourself dishonest.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You know what would be nice ..? If certain people could just accept that the line between posable and monopose is subjective, that whether or not it matters is subjective, that whether the new style is better or worse than the old style is subjective.

That way we could stop having the same argument literally every time GW preview a new kit and we wouldn’t have pages of people trying to prove that other people’s subjective opinions are wrong.

If you don't want to see any subjective views, just look at the announcements on the WarCom pages.

I think it's less about the subjective takes at this point and more about the fact that ever since Primaris launched and GW started exploring poses with less leg and torso combos for more natural poses to pair with a variety of arm options this horse has been beaten to death, and then continued to be beaten until it can't even be used for glue.

There is a definite spectrum of posing capability with snap fit monopose on one end, and master grade Gundams (yes, the ones were you can pose all the fingers) on the other. Everything else falls along a line and whether you feel a waist swivel is important or not for expressing your ideas is entirely subjective. Same for how many unique poses you get. Honestly limited poses don't bother me because we're not playing a skirmish game where you only have maybe 10 distinct models who all do need to be highly individualized. Instead we have dozens of models on the table and any individuality in a unit is going to be lost once you start pushing them around the table en masse.

As someone who paints far more than I can play I can appreciate options for sure, but it's never ruined my fun to not have every model in a unit be a perfectly unique mini, even when paint and decals are used. Now your mileage may vary and I'm sure someone can tell me it's soul crushing to paint the same mini twice, thrice, or more. Basically all I'm saying is this debate has been done to death and no one it ever going to talk other people out of their opinions on what the "correct" amount of posing is for that person.

Now, having said all that, and moving back to the main topic, being HH and the model preview, I'm sincerely hoping heavy and special weapons will be plastic, not a FW resin upgrade. I prefer the more durable bond of plastic glue over the brittleness of superglue whenever possible so not having to mix the two materials would be super.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it helps, I've never seen any version of power armor that looks bad in metallic colors.

Friend of mine once sprayed his Marines with chrome paint. That... was an interesting take. Mirror finish Marines.

A quick google search for what that might look like lead me to this page: https://illuminatorhobby.wordpress.com/category/wips-tutorials/ and yeah, they don't look bad. Different that I'd expect, but not bad.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You know what would be nice ..? If certain people could just accept that the line between posable and monopose is subjective, that whether or not it matters is subjective, that whether the new style is better or worse than the old style is subjective.

That way we could stop having the same argument literally every time GW preview a new kit and we wouldn’t have pages of people trying to prove that other people’s subjective opinions are wrong.

If you don't want to see any subjective views, just look at the announcements on the WarCom pages.

On the contrary, I do want to see people’s subjective views about what they like and dislike. I just wish it could come without all the arguing about who’s subjective view is the correct one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I do really like the new proportions (kind of wish they were redoing the Mk III and IV marines in them - but they are relatively new and nice kits in their own right). I pretty happy with how they look in the different color schemes shown.

As an Iron Warrior fan, I am a bit skeptical how they will look in Iron Warriors colors......but I might just use them for a second legion and keep the Iron Warriors in mostly Mk III and a smattering of IV. Mark VI wasn't a mark the Iron Warriors were fond of anyways, though towards the end of the war, i'm sure the legions were using whatever they could get their hands on.

If it helps, I've never seen any version of power armor that looks bad in metallic colors.

Chaos Space Marines also have all Mk5, Mk6 and Mk7 Legs in their Sets.

Andykp wrote:
What this kit really makes me want to do is build a lovely 1st/2nd edition army with all the modern (retro) kits.

Welcome to the club! I've been doing exactly the same thing for a few years now. There has never been a better time for redoing a 1st ed/2nd ed 40K army with modern GW minis. I even got the Ambull and the Zoat now.


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drbored wrote:
Oh no, 5 poses, that sure is so much worse than we had befo-

Spoiler:

There's 3 leg options. No crouching, no kneeling, no standing normally, just a sort of waddling gaited jog. Maybe 3 positions for the bolter/weapon to be in?

God I'm tired of the monopose argument in this community. Just... just please go play another game. Any other game. I'm sure the grass is real green over there.

Call me whatever you want, dismiss me, whatever, your opinion is old, stale, and barely holds up when scrutinized and you know it.

You are deliberately misunderstanding things.

First off, that kit actually has 5 discreet leg poses, and you can make more by heating up the resin pieces and bending them gently. Check LeakyCheese's MkVI youtube video for proof.

Secondly, this is not the only source for MkVI bits, not by a long shot. You can also combine this kit with all the plastic MKVI bits from regular 40K kits, which offer a lot more MkVI legs and poses. Here's 2 picts to prove this:





Would you say there are only 5 leg poses in those pictures?

The new kit will have 5 leg poses, will not be bendable into new poses cuz its plastic, and due to scale creep will be incompatible with the existing 40K MkVI kits. This is the problem. If we ever get MkVI assault marines in the new scale, things will improve a lot.