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The Command Barge enables the Lord to attack a unit it flew over, even if it moved flat-out. The lord may deal 3 strikes, which hit on 4+ (3+ if the vehicle moed less 12" or less). Each Wound roll of 6 may be allocated by the Necron Player. All aditional effects of the Lords weapon DO apply. Vehicles are always hit in the rear.

Trazyn the Infinite (or so I gather from a quick look through a couple rumor pages) is the one with the ability to hit all like models in a unit that he killed in CC. I seem to remember this being a function of some weapon he was carrying, but that was from a rumor I read a few days ago.

So, if Trazyn gets in a command barge, and flies over a unit of 30 Boyz, does he get to potentially kill all the boys in the unit?

Actually the Lord gets to allocate the wounds for all "to hit" rolls of 6, not "to wound" - I got that wrong yesterday.

And I don't think he has the option for a Command Barge. But yes, I think the ability does apply. THAT would be fun =D

All of the named Overlords are supposed to be able to take the barge.

Overall I'm very impressed, i like most of the stuff i see here.

But again we come to the flayed ones... hmmmm.... well i think i have a way to make them work! I'll just have to paint them to be more gruesome! With blood dripping and flowing all over them, then have it pooling on the base.

oh yea i like where this is going....

Swara wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Swara wrote:Remember remember the fifth of November
Tesla, doomsday and Gauss.
All will cower, why, overpower?
Can't be worse than Jaws..

Gauss doesn't rhyme with jaws

It does around here, lol.
Yes I am well aware that the "proper" pronunciation is gous, but that doesn't keep everyone in south from calling it Gaws.
It's supposed to be funny! Sorry : (

Oh, I laughed. I just wished it rhymed properly is all.

Vhalyar wrote:All of the named Overlords are supposed to be able to take the barge.

I sincerely hope this is the case, because I am a huge fan of the concept of the command barge.

One quick note to the attempt at "Gaws" smarminess. It has a regional pronunciation. Just like apricot is pronounced two ways in the U.S. as well as countless words.

You aren't wrong you say "Gaws". Thank you Linguistics 500 level course

I thought "Gauss" was derived from someone's name.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:I thought "Gauss" was derived from someone's name.

It was.

Carl Friedrich Gauss is the guy who came up with it. Its a unit for magnetic field strength, with 1 gauss being equal to 1x10^-4 tesla.

It is, but it can still be bastardized and pronounced any number of ways. Simply due to the way that we generally put emphasis on certain syllables or leave silent others

dancingcricket wrote:The Command Barge enables the Lord to attack a unit it flew over, even if it moved flat-out. The lord may deal 3 strikes, which hit on 4+ (3+ if the vehicle moed less 12" or less). Each Wound roll of 6 may be allocated by the Necron Player. All aditional effects of the Lords weapon DO apply. Vehicles are always hit in the rear.

Trazyn the Infinite (or so I gather from a quick look through a couple rumor pages) is the one with the ability to hit all like models in a unit that he killed in CC. I seem to remember this being a function of some weapon he was carrying, but that was from a rumor I read a few days ago.

So, if Trazyn gets in a command barge, and flies over a unit of 30 Boyz, does he get to potentially kill all the boys in the unit?

No,

Because sweep attacks are not close combat attacks, they are just special sweep attacks and plus he's not locked in combat with the enemy unit which is required for the power to work.

This is was off topic and I apologize in advance.

Azure wrote:It is, but it can still be bastardized and pronounced any number of ways. Simply due to the way that we generally put emphasis on certain syllables or leave silent others

No, you can't correctly pronounce it any other way because it is a proper noun. "Tom" is never "tome", and the US President is not "Obayma".

But the poem still works, because it utilizes an eye rhyme. Like William Blake trying to rhyme "eye" with "symmetry", for example.



Now, back to rumours! Is there confirmation about named characters riding the Command Barge like it's a Goblin Glider? I can't find anything saying either way, but I thought I saw something about this a while back.

Edit: oh, I see Yakface just crushed my dreams of a Trazyn Drive-By.

azazel the cat wrote:This is was off topic and I apologize in advance.

Azure wrote:It is, but it can still be bastardized and pronounced any number of ways. Simply due to the way that we generally put emphasis on certain syllables or leave silent others

No, you can't correctly pronounce it any other way because it is a proper noun. "Tom" is never "tome", and the US President is not "Obayma".

But the poem still works, because it utilizes an eye rhyme. Like William Blake trying to rhyme "eye" with "symmetry", for example.



Now, back to rumours! Is there confirmation about named characters riding the Command Barge like it's a Goblin Glider? I can't find anything saying either way, but I thought I saw something about this a while back.

Edit: oh, I see Yakface just crushed my dreams of a Trazyn Drive-By.

Sorry to have to disagree with you, but you are 100% false. There is no such thing as "that's a proper noun" if I word changes into other forms of speech it is no longer a proper noun and no longer has one way of being said. Here is a funny video to play on this concept: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/09/28/140467781/wanna-live-forever-become-a-noun

Again, Linguistics 500 FTW

Nightsbane wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:This is was off topic and I apologize in advance.

Azure wrote:It is, but it can still be bastardized and pronounced any number of ways. Simply due to the way that we generally put emphasis on certain syllables or leave silent others

No, you can't correctly pronounce it any other way because it is a proper noun. "Tom" is never "tome", and the US President is not "Obayma".

But the poem still works, because it utilizes an eye rhyme. Like William Blake trying to rhyme "eye" with "symmetry", for example.



Now, back to rumours! Is there confirmation about named characters riding the Command Barge like it's a Goblin Glider? I can't find anything saying either way, but I thought I saw something about this a while back.

Edit: oh, I see Yakface just crushed my dreams of a Trazyn Drive-By.

Sorry to have to disagree with you, but you are 100% false. There is no such thing as "that's a proper noun" if I word changes into other forms of speech it is no longer a proper noun and no longer has one way of being said. Here is a funny video to play on this concept: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/09/28/140467781/wanna-live-forever-become-a-noun

Again, Linguistics 500 FTW

That video has absolutely nothing to do with it. Besides that, there is only ever one proper pronunciation for any given word, regardless of what popular linguistics bastardizes it as. I don't know where you get the idea that if multiple things are referred to as 'Gauss' it goes from a proper noun to a common noun, but you are incorrect on that subject. Gauss is, has been, and continues to be a proper noun, with only one proper method of pronunciation.

That being said, given that its the 41st millenium and, to my knowledge, Gauss weapons have absolutely nothing to do with any real world definition of that word, I think its safe to say that in this case we can pronounce it pretty much however the hell we want to pronounce it, as its quite clearly not a reference to Carl Friedrich Gauss.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Nightsbane wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:This is was off topic and I apologize in advance.

Azure wrote:It is, but it can still be bastardized and pronounced any number of ways. Simply due to the way that we generally put emphasis on certain syllables or leave silent others

No, you can't correctly pronounce it any other way because it is a proper noun. "Tom" is never "tome", and the US President is not "Obayma".

But the poem still works, because it utilizes an eye rhyme. Like William Blake trying to rhyme "eye" with "symmetry", for example.



Now, back to rumours! Is there confirmation about named characters riding the Command Barge like it's a Goblin Glider? I can't find anything saying either way, but I thought I saw something about this a while back.

Edit: oh, I see Yakface just crushed my dreams of a Trazyn Drive-By.

Sorry to have to disagree with you, but you are 100% false. There is no such thing as "that's a proper noun" if I word changes into other forms of speech it is no longer a proper noun and no longer has one way of being said. Here is a funny video to play on this concept: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/09/28/140467781/wanna-live-forever-become-a-noun

Again, Linguistics 500 FTW

That video has absolutely nothing to do with it. Besides that, there is only ever one proper pronunciation for any given word, regardless of what popular linguistics bastardizes it as. I don't know where you get the idea that if multiple things are referred to as 'Gauss' it goes from a proper noun to a common noun, but you are incorrect on that subject. Gauss is, has been, and continues to be a proper noun, with only one proper method of pronunciation.

That being said, given that its the 41st millenium and, to my knowledge, Gauss weapons have absolutely nothing to do with any real world definition of that word, I think its safe to say that in this case we can pronounce it pretty much however the hell we want to pronounce it, as its quite clearly not a reference to Carl Friedrich Gauss.

It is. Gauss weapons use a strong magnetic field to strip away molecules. Carl Friedrich Gauss did research into magnetic fields, hence the unit of magnetic flux density "Gauss".

Anyway, can we get back to the rumours? Any more information, like on the Stalker?

GrumpyJester wrote:

Robbietobbie wrote:My girlfriend picked it up for me yesterday so it's available alright

I picked it up yesterday as well. Guess it depends on the country, I'm from the Netherlands just like Robbietobbie.

Speaking of the White Dwarf: I never found anything on the Warscythe rolling 2D6 against armour. It most definitely states that Warriors are 13 points however, separately when discussing the Warrior and in the army lists for the battle report. Some other point values that can be learned from the battle report are:

- Necron Lord @ 45 points
- Necron Cryptek @ 35 points and 55 points (depending on wargear no doubt)
- Lychguard @ 40 points...however, one squad of 5 was +25 points more expensive...could be that the shield option is +5 points.
- Deathmarks @ 19 points...not that bad, actually.
- Flayed Ones @ 13 points (and no mention at all of the "Fearsome Visage" rule or something they used to have)
- Warriors @ 13 points
- Ghost Ark @ 115 points
- Immortals @ 17 points regardless of weapon
- Scarabs @ 15 points per base
- Destroyers @ 40 points
- Heavy Destroyers @ 60 points

I am debating whether to go with lots of warriors/two monoliths or less warriors/ghost arks.

Ghost Arks at 115 pts each is a tough call though.

Thoughts?

I just realized the Entropic rules (that Scarabs have) are totally lacking when it comes to vehicle squadrons. Because hits on squadrons aren't distributed to individual vehicles until after armor penetration is rolled.

So do all vehicles in the squadron count as being hit by all the attacks or do you just count as evenly spreading the hits across each vehicle? And if so, what about an odd number of hits compared to vehicles in the squadron, who would get to pick where the extra hit would go?

I hope it's covered in the final codex, but I'm doubting it.

I'd just assume that the -1 armor effect is spread the same way wounds are amongst an infantry squad.






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Nightsbane wrote:Sorry to have to disagree with you, but you are 100% false. There is no such thing as "that's a proper noun" if I word changes into other forms of speech it is no longer a proper noun and no longer has one way of being said. Here is a funny video to play on this concept: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/09/28/140467781/wanna-live-forever-become-a-noun

Again, Linguistics 500 FTW

Aw, how cute. The linguistics version of an oh-so-rebellious poli-sci student wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt.





Anyways, for anyone who has the new White Dwarf: does it look like the Command Barge will be able to be magnetized so that it is interchangeable with the Destroyer Barge? I'd love to have the option to field either one, without having to commit.

azazel the cat wrote:I'd just assume that the -1 armor effect is spread the same way wounds are amongst an infantry squad.

But only (unsaved) wounds trigger the Entropic ability against non-vehicles, at which point they have been allocated to specific models.

Against vehicles (including squadrons), HITS are what cause the Entropic effect and these aren't allocated to specific models in the squadron until after rolling to penetrate armor.

yakface wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:I'd just assume that the -1 armor effect is spread the same way wounds are amongst an infantry squad.

But only (unsaved) wounds trigger the Entropic ability against non-vehicles, at which point they have been allocated to specific models.

Against vehicles (including squadrons), HITS are what cause the Entropic effect and these aren't allocated to specific models in the squadron until after rolling to penetrate armor.

Sorry. I meant in the same vein as when wounds, prior to saving rolls, are allocated in a complex unit. With vehicles, wouldn't the defending player spread the entropic hits evenly amongst the squad, and then have the ability to decide where to allocate the remainders?

yakface wrote:
I just realized the Entropic rules (that Scarabs have) are totally lacking when it comes to vehicle squadrons. Because hits on squadrons aren't distributed to individual vehicles until after armor penetration is rolled.

So do all vehicles in the squadron count as being hit by all the attacks or do you just count as evenly spreading the hits across each vehicle? And if so, what about an odd number of hits compared to vehicles in the squadron, who would get to pick where the extra hit would go?

I hope it's covered in the final codex, but I'm doubting it.

And you know the errata is going to make Necron players sad on this one...

Maybe they are finally going to do the intelligent thing and make vehicle squadrons independent models?

azazel the cat wrote:I'd just assume that the -1 armor effect is spread the same way wounds are amongst an infantry squad.






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Nightsbane wrote:Sorry to have to disagree with you, but you are 100% false. There is no such thing as "that's a proper noun" if I word changes into other forms of speech it is no longer a proper noun and no longer has one way of being said. Here is a funny video to play on this concept: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/09/28/140467781/wanna-live-forever-become-a-noun

Again, Linguistics 500 FTW

Aw, how cute. The linguistics version of an oh-so-rebellious poli-sci student wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt.





Anyways, for anyone who has the new White Dwarf: does it look like the Command Barge will be able to be magnetized so that it is interchangeable with the Destroyer Barge? I'd love to have the option to field either one, without having to commit.

Hmmm, whose opinion should I trust, the guy who's clearly a student of linguistics, or Random Patronizing Internet Guy?

As a guy with a CS degree, I've certainly had enough of the latter telling me I didn't know what I was talking about when it came to the limits of what a computer can or can't simulate, so I think I'm going to go with the former.


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King Pariah wrote:

yakface wrote:
I just realized the Entropic rules (that Scarabs have) are totally lacking when it comes to vehicle squadrons. Because hits on squadrons aren't distributed to individual vehicles until after armor penetration is rolled.

So do all vehicles in the squadron count as being hit by all the attacks or do you just count as evenly spreading the hits across each vehicle? And if so, what about an odd number of hits compared to vehicles in the squadron, who would get to pick where the extra hit would go?

I hope it's covered in the final codex, but I'm doubting it.

And you know the errata is going to make Necron players sad on this one...

I doubt it. Even with the old codex, I loved it when my opponents squadroned up! Immobilized results wreck squadron vehicles, and I certainly had no shortage of glances with which to inflict them

If it turns out that scarabs have to distribute -1 AVs, whatever survives will probably get pen'd by flayers the following round anyway.

yakface wrote:
I just realized the Entropic rules (that Scarabs have) are totally lacking when it comes to vehicle squadrons. Because hits on squadrons aren't distributed to individual vehicles until after armor penetration is rolled.

So do all vehicles in the squadron count as being hit by all the attacks or do you just count as evenly spreading the hits across each vehicle? And if so, what about an odd number of hits compared to vehicles in the squadron, who would get to pick where the extra hit would go?

I hope it's covered in the final codex, but I'm doubting it.

I would allow them to spread the attacks across all of the vehicles as you would with wounds. But this is exactly the kind of weird rule holes that make Ward so disliked.

I can't believe I'm sucked into this, but I wince when I see self-professed linguists attempting to pervert language to the point where everyone can communicate on a level plane at the expense of the language itself.

@Ostrakon: As someone with a CS degree, I would hope you would make a decision based on the rules of the English language. To do otherwise would be the English equivalent of saying "yeah, this string of unreadable code isn't how to actually program a Perl script, but maybe if enough people type in the code this way, those erroneous codes will become correct!"

Far too often Linguistics students confuse actual languages with colloquialisms, and believe they are interchangeable. When texting on your phone, most people type "ur" instead of "you're" or "your". But just because a quarter of a billion people do so, does not actually change the spelling of "your" or "you're" to "ur".

And please do not confuse someone who has taken a Linguistics class with a Linguistics major. Find the answer for yourself, rather than just following the lead of some random guy on the Internet. This includes myself.

I won't say any more on this subject in this thread, and feel bad for going this far off-topic already. I apologize.

The list i will try out first is:
Stormlord
1 cryptek with solar pulse (hoping he isn't the 55 point guy)
10x warriors
10x warriors
10x warriors
10x scarabs
2x destroyers, 1x heavy destroyer
Monolith
Monolith
Doomsday Ark

This comes out to 1550 points if the cryptek is 55 points

That list brings up a question I don't recall seeing any answers about yet: can we mix up the weapons within a squad, or do we have to swap out the entire squad's weapons when we make changes? With Destroyers & Heavy Destroyers, I don't know if I'd see much benefit of mixing up the selections, but with Immortals I think one or two Tesla weapons amongst the rest of the squad as Gauss would be a great tactic.

Yak, have you seen any word about this?

If I can point out that an alternate spelling of 'your' may very well become 'ur' -http://www.cracked.com/article_17408_15-words-you-wont-believe-they-added-to-dictionary.html

Language is fluid and only guided by those who speak it, I we want to change it... we do. Spelling, pronunciation, everything. It's why there are children not childs and foxes not foxen.

Wheee, back to topic.

Destroyer Lords we know are in, are Flayed Lords also there? In Fall of Damnos they definitely existed and with the dynasties report it seems that there is a whole tribe of them, would make sense for them to be there. Also, will the Crypteks get any 'fun diseases' like the Destroyer Curse/Flayer Disease, or are they totally immune to everything?

I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere on an earlier page in this thread that with the exception of characters and lords/crypteks, the squads must all be equipped the same (a-la tyranids).

Maybe not but we'll see in a week and a half.

I am gonna go out on a limb and say this will be the build for the internet's "competetive build" for necrons at 2500points

HQ-
Stormlord: 225 points
An overlord that has max cost of 165 points
Royal Court 1: Single cryptek with solar pulse
Royal Court 2: Single cryptek with solar pulse

Troops-
10x Warriors in Ghost Ark: 235 points
10x Warriors in Ghost Ark: 235 points
10x Warriors in Ghost Ark: 235 points
10x Warriors in Ghost Ark: 235 points
10x Warriors in Ghost Ark: 235 points

Fast Attack-
10x Scarabs: 150 points
10x Scarabs: 150 points

Heavy Support-
Doomsday Ark: 175 points
Doomsday Ark: 175 points
Doomsday Ark: 175 points

I have done no math or play tests or anything, but I have a feeling it will be like this or at least with 4 warriors in ghosts and a filled out cryptek/lord royal court.