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It happened last night in a game. I figured the vehicle was for all intents and purposes "destroyed". Kill points didnt matter, it was a capture and control game anyway.

A Leman Russ Executioner attempts to enter the board after being in reserves. It entered the board going thru difficult (dangerous) terrain that was on the very board edge and makes its check. It rolled a '1' for going thru the terrain.

Hence, actually, the tank couldnt make it all the way on the board. My opponent asks me what happens, I told him I thought it was destroyed.

Correct?

The model may overlap the edge, otherwise you'd never be able to get a Monolith onto the board.

yes but the model stops at the point in which it enters the terrain i think so it would not even make it to the board edge

hmm dunno tho i may have made that up

Was the terrain touching or up against the table edge?

I ask because:

"A result of 1 means that
the vehicle halts immediately and suffers an
Immobilised damage result, so if it was attempting to
enter difficult terrain it stops just outside."

Under "Vehicles," subsection "Vehicles and Movement," subsection "Terrain Effects."

Seems to indicate that if the difficult terrain was touching the table edge, the vehicle didn't even partially make it onto the board ("stops just outside [the terrain]"). Therefore, the vehicle would be destroyed.

However, if the vehicle was partially on the board, I can't find anything saying that a vehicle partially off the board is entirely off the board, so it'd be immobilized but still in play. He could still shoot, and the vehicle, IIRC, would be worth 50% victory points at the end of the game.

You can be partially on the board and fully, 100% satisfy the requirement to move onto the board.

Unless your terrain was perfectly flush the model will be at least 0.00001", and will be fine.

Edit again:

For the sake of the game the vehicle would be placed onto the board edge with its back against it. and immobalised

Mahtamori wrote:The model may overlap the edge, otherwise you'd never be able to get a Monolith onto the board.

Deepstriking?



Where does the rulebook state that? Models are supposed to be on the game board right? Half-on Half-off is not on the gameboard. Noone knows what conditions OFF the gamboard are. Perhaps its ALL Line of sight blocked...essentially if its off the 6'4" table...its not in play.

Partially off the board is partially "out of play"...sort of like partially "pregnant"


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SaintHazard wrote:Was the terrain touching or up against the table edge?

I ask because:

"A result of 1 means that
the vehicle halts immediately and suffers an
Immobilised damage result, so if it was attempting to
enter difficult terrain it stops just outside."

Under "Vehicles," subsection "Vehicles and Movement," subsection "Terrain Effects."

Seems to indicate that if the difficult terrain was touching the table edge, the vehicle didn't even partially make it onto the board ("stops just outside [the terrain]"). Therefore, the vehicle would be destroyed.

However, if the vehicle was partially on the board, I can't find anything saying that a vehicle partially off the board is entirely off the board, so it'd be immobilized but still in play. He could still shoot, and the vehicle, IIRC, would be worth 50% victory points at the end of the game.

It was touching the table edge.

dead then

Like Nos said, you could probably finagle a millimeter or so out of it and technically claim it's on the board, and it's legally so...

...but honestly, who'd do that? I'd play this one as destroyed.

Deadshane - no such rule exists. Partially on resolves entirely and 100% the requirement for moving onto the board.

You may play it differently, but that is a houserule.

deadshane, I believe pregnancy is usually measured in weeks or months, not binary (for several reasons I will refuse to discuss analogies regarding reserve rolls, thank you). I also believe that there are no rules regarding what happens if a model is outside the board edge, only fuzzy rules regarding how close to the edge models may traverse.

I'd say its destroyed, it never really made it onto the board due to failing its test.

For simplicities sake I would just call it destroyed and leave it off the table. I think if something hasn't come on the board by the end of the game it counts as destroyed anyways.

Deadshane1 wrote:
Where does the rulebook state that? Models are supposed to be on the game board right?

Models cannot move off of the board, but that is not the same thing.

Deadshane1 wrote:Half-on Half-off is not on the gameboard.

So how about this, is the ruler on the table?



I love that image.

That ruler is about three times more awesome than a Leman Russ Executioner (full-size, functioning). I'd allow it to say that it is 100% on the table simply because I'd be afraid it'd kick my ass if I said otherwise.

So thats what Schrodinger was talking about!

I get it now, the ruler is simultaneously on and off the table at the same time!

I'd put the LR on the edge of the table, immobilized, becuase I think it's a bit douchey to short someone on points (oh you loose 150 points of your 1500 point army, that sucks). I'd rather it be on the board with a chance to do something. I can see the other side of the coin though.

whalemusic360 wrote:I'd put the LR on the edge of the table, immobilized, becuase I think it's a bit douchey to short someone on points (oh you loose 150 points of your 1500 point army, that sucks). I'd rather it be on the board with a chance to do something. I can see the other side of the coin though.

But bringing in an Executioner from reserves through difficult terrain? Not the smartest decision on the part of his opponent...

whalemusic360 wrote:I'd put the LR on the edge of the table, immobilized, becuase I think it's a bit douchey to short someone on points (oh you loose 150 points of your 1500 point army, that sucks). I'd rather it be on the board with a chance to do something. I can see the other side of the coin though.

Pffft, if he rolls his biker squadron through said terrain and rolls five "1"'s, does he get to keep his squad? He took a risk, it bit him in the arse. If the terrain is flush with the tabletop, BL chump- thats what risks are about. If it's not flush with the tabletop then its immobolized with its bum hanging out. Move a LandRaider onto the table, and you will have a portion of your tank off the field... or even better, as someone mentioned, use a monolith

Jihallah wrote:

whalemusic360 wrote:I'd put the LR on the edge of the table, immobilized, becuase I think it's a bit douchey to short someone on points (oh you loose 150 points of your 1500 point army, that sucks). I'd rather it be on the board with a chance to do something. I can see the other side of the coin though.

Pffft, if he rolls his biker squadron through said terrain and rolls five "1"'s, does he get to keep his squad? He took a risk, it bit him in the arse. If the terrain is flush with the tabletop, BL chump- thats what risks are about. If it's not flush with the tabletop then its immobolized with its bum hanging out. Move a LandRaider onto the table, and you will have a portion of your tank off the field... or even better, as someone mentioned, use a monolith

Agreed.

Deadshane, it seems like you're making up rules to justify your benefit. The rulebook is not clear, and you and your opponent didn't agree on it beforehand.

4+ it, or decide before. You're not going to have the rules back you up on this one.

Well, the rulebook IS clear - if you can get even 0.000001" on, you are fine.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Well, the rulebook IS clear - if you can get even 0.000001" on, you are fine.

ref?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Well, the rulebook IS clear - if you can get even 0.000001" on, you are fine.

Agreed - 0.1" on the table is still on the table.

Additionally, if the model will not float in mid-air on the edge of the table you can take it off and just hold it in place every time you want to shoot/get shot at - see Wobbly Model Syndrome box in the movement section.

Of course, I'd probably just move the damn tank on and leave it there, immobilised, for the sake of simplicity....

The Book wrote:If the unit has a special rule forcing it to move in a specific direction (*example*) or that could stop it from moving, the rule is ignored in the phase when it arrives from Reserve.

The unit is being affected by a special rule that could stop it from moving. Ignore the rule.

Arctik - incorrect. You can ignroe the *units* special rules, not the rules of terrain on the table.

Epic - from the fact the reserve rules tell you to move onto the table, without qualifying "onto" both "entirely" and "partially" satisfy this requirement.

If that's how you choose to read it, it's still a Vehicle and hence a special rule applies.

Its not how I choose to read it, it is how the rule is written.

The rule lets you ignore Special rules of the *unit* that would prevent the unit from moving on. It does not allow you to ignore other rules that could stop you moving

The unit is a Vehicle. Special rules apply. You can't decide which rules are 'special'.
If a vehicle moves into difficult terrain and fails its test, it is stopped from moving. Hence, by the rules as written, a vehicle unit cannot be immobilised in the phase it arrives from Reserve because that would stop them from moving. It's not like I've come across this weird phenomenon before and I'm coming from a predetermined position - that's what the rules say.

Except they dont say that.

Is it a special rule OF THE UNIT? No, it is a special rule of the terrain (difficult or dangerous terrain) and as such the allowance to ignore special rules *of the unit* does not apply as it is not a special rule *of the unit*.

It cant be made much clearer than that....

It is not a special rule of the terrain, it is a special rule pertaining to vehicles under the 'Terrain Effects' heading in the vehicles section. It does not apply to anything but Vehicle units.