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Everytime I look at the CSM dex', I get more and more disappoint with it.

1. Bring back Chaos Armor
2. Chaos Storm Shields
3. Mastercrafted Weapons...
4. Bring back lesser daemons
5. Bring back greater daemons
5. Bring the doomrider back
6. FOC allowances sort of like loyalist codex**
7. Juggernaut riders units.
8. Land Raider variants (Something different from LRC or LRR)
9. Bring back storm bolters
10. Drop pods/ dreadclaws
11. Keep kharne exactly the same.

Didn't see one of these threads, so I made one.

I don't think Chaos have ever had proper stormbolters, have they? I like them having twin linked bolters. It's a colorful sidegrade.

Personally, I'd like your HQ's mark affect what models you can take. In other words, a Lord of Khorne makes Berserkers troops instead of Elites. A Nurgle Lord makes Plague Marines troops instead of Elites. An undivided Lord may take one of each cult Marine squad as troops instead of elites, etc.

Just something to make things a bit fluffier. I'd also bring back cult Terminators and Havocs. On the topic of daemons, I'd let you at least take marks for them. I can understand wanting to keep them different from Chaos Daemons codex units, and I think that would be a good middleground.

I would also make possessed and spawn not totally suck. Not sure how, exactly, but I would.

Chaos dont have SB, they are a later deveopment post heresy. Like Assault cannons

they shoud have Dreadclaws! THen i could use my FW one more often...

Brother SRM - that is what the 3.5ed codex did.

yeah the chaos codex does need sorting out, but then again so do a load of others. Make up your own rules, thats what my brother has done. Hes got chaos landspeeders. You can get Dread claws on forge world too, they look pretty insane aswell. You've probably already seen this though.



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Juggernaut riding units would rock, they could do seeker riding units aswell and maby a chaos sorcerer riding a screamer.

12. give us our books of chaos back
13. give us psychic defenses
14. dont let gav thorpe write it

All of you are wrong about storm bolters The 3rd edition codex has them plainly put on everything that has them now.

I really like the idea of juggs too. It might be worth a Fast Attack slot. In the 3rd codex, they used to give the rider +2 Strength and toughness!

Sadly my money is on no Demons at all the next time CSM is updated and that makes me a sad panda.

As to the main change I'd like to see,

Drop Icons, and just have marks, even if they cost more.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Everytime I look at the CSM dex', I get more and more disappoint with it.

1. Bring back Chaos Armor Not every marine army gets artificer army get over it.
2. Chaos Storm Shields No. chaos never had them and probably (hopefully) never will.
3. Mastercrafted Weapons... No codex written in 5th ed. has had them as an option why should they?
4. Bring back lesser daemons Agreed. Codex daemons was a dumb idea fluff wise.
5. Bring back greater daemons Also agreed.
5. Bring the doomrider back meh
6. FOC allowances sort of like loyalist codex** Play loyalists..
7. Juggernaut riders units. Play daemons (or space wolves).
8. Land Raider variants (Something different from LRC or LRR) Nope. you get defilers and you already stole the SM vindicator.
9. Bring back storm bolters Nope. they weren't put into widespread use before the heresy Abby's the only chaos dude that has one.
10. Drop pods/ dreadclaws No. balance issue.
11. Keep kharne exactly the same.

Didn't see one of these threads, so I made one. They show up every couple of months. You were more conservative than some though; you didn't ask for speeders, attack bikes or razorbacks

Cult armies. Daemons with marks, more chaos tech and vehicles to represent the daemonic machines we hear about in the forgeworld books, Legion rules and gifts of the gods. Also put Defilers in Fast Attack, replace the battle cannon with a daemonic blast of sorts, a la maybe a flaming explosion that ignores cover, keep the fleet and what not *it IS fast attack after all* and there you go, 1 less thing competing for a heavy slot AND we now have good fast choices.

The current CSM book is good. It's definitely chock full of options. If anything, some of the options are so good it renders others redundant. Part of this is because some of the options tend toward specific use. The internet meta, conversely, decries anything but reliable plug'n'play. Units like winged DPs and Oblits are especially condusive to this sort of attitude. Combine it with the overwhelming lack of table experience that many armchair (mousepad?) generals bring to the forums and you've got a deadly critical brew. One example of defeating this attitude is Sanctjud's great defense of the Possessed.

Ummm...Kharn definitely needs eternal warrior. So does Lucius. It's fluffy on both accounts, and would make the characters way more worth their points.

Darth Bob wrote:Ummm...Kharn definitely needs eternal warrior. So does Lucius. It's fluffy on both accounts, and would make the characters way more worth their points.

Not only that but they need to re-design lucius' model, he looks like a pile of crap and not the badass he should be, as portrayed in the HH novels


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Khan is still as cool as ever however.

@OP: Maybe you should play your CSMs as SMs?

Personally, I like the current CSM Codex far better than the previous mess.

The current CSM book is awesome.

Nothing is stopping any of you from playing Mono-God if that's what you want.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP: Maybe you should play your CSMs as SMs?

Personally, I like the current CSM Codex far better than the previous mess.

You know, this is a good idea I do love my plaugue marines, Obliterators, daemon princes and defilers though.

Then you might accept that SMs get Sv3++ Storm Shields in lieu of Plague Marines and Defilers and so on. It's a trade-off. You want something, you give something.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Everytime I look at the CSM dex', I get more and more disappoint with it.

1. Bring back Chaos Armor Not every marine army gets artificer army get over it.
2. Chaos Storm Shields No. chaos never had them and probably (hopefully) never will.
3. Mastercrafted Weapons... No codex written in 5th ed. has had them as an option why should they?
4. Bring back lesser daemons Agreed. Codex daemons was a dumb idea fluff wise.
5. Bring back greater daemons Also agreed.
5. Bring the doomrider back meh
6. FOC allowances sort of like loyalist codex** Play loyalists..
7. Juggernaut riders units. Play daemons (or space wolves).
8. Land Raider variants (Something different from LRC or LRR) Nope. you get defilers and you already stole the SM vindicator.
9. Bring back storm bolters Nope. they weren't put into widespread use before the heresy Abby's the only chaos dude that has one.
10. Drop pods/ dreadclaws No. balance issue.
11. Keep kharne exactly the same.

Didn't see one of these threads, so I made one. They show up every couple of months. You were more conservative than some though; you didn't ask for speeders, attack bikes or razorbacks

1. I see. Well, they had 'chaos armor' in 3rd. Seemed cool to me. It made kharne a lot better.
2. I guess. I've never seen them in the fluff, so maybe not a good idea.
3. Really? I'm pretty sure the SM codex and BA codex do.
8. Feh. Defilers are basically a leman russ that can get 5 attacks

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Everytime I look at the CSM dex', I get more and more disappoint with it.

1. Bring back Chaos Armor Not every marine army gets artificer army get over it.
2. Chaos Storm Shields No. chaos never had them and probably (hopefully) never will.
3. Mastercrafted Weapons... No codex written in 5th ed. has had them as an option why should they?
4. Bring back lesser daemons Agreed. Codex daemons was a dumb idea fluff wise.
5. Bring back greater daemons Also agreed.
5. Bring the doomrider back meh
6. FOC allowances sort of like loyalist codex** Play loyalists..
7. Juggernaut riders units. Play daemons (or space wolves).
8. Land Raider variants (Something different from LRC or LRR) Nope. you get defilers and you already stole the SM vindicator.
9. Bring back storm bolters Nope. they weren't put into widespread use before the heresy Abby's the only chaos dude that has one.
10. Drop pods/ dreadclaws No. balance issue.
11. Keep kharne exactly the same.

Didn't see one of these threads, so I made one. They show up every couple of months. You were more conservative than some though; you didn't ask for speeders, attack bikes or razorbacks

1. I see. Well, they had 'chaos armor' in 3rd. Seemed cool to me. It made kharne a lot better.
2. I guess. I've never seen them in the fluff, so maybe not a good idea.
3. Really? I'm pretty sure the SM codex and BA codex do.

Nope.

Not as an option. A few Characters have them but it's not an option for any unit.

I like the codex just fine as it is....Although I would like to see storm-shields and thunder-hammers.

Thortek wrote:I like the codex just fine as it is....Although I would like to see storm-shields and thunder-hammers.

We've got Obliterators and the Lash of Submission, man! Not to mention a selection of the best troop choices in the game!

nickmund wrote:
Khan is still as cool as ever however.

Until he gets a Lascannon to the face.

I really just want separate rules for each chapter. That was such a good system... I'd like it even more if they used a traits system where you can choose your corruption (sort of like in Night Haunter, the gods offer their gifts in exchange for servitude).

I wish you could take something on your HQ that granted a Legion Specific special rule. Dunno what they would be, but it would be cool.

I dunno. Maybe give the army a 'CCS' sort-of thing. You can take a chaos lord and 4 guys, and one of them gets a legion standard that grants something to the whole army. I was talking to....Rifzor about this...

I think more options for the Chaos Lord would be incredibly nice. Give him a page like the Wolf Lord.

Mostly I guess I just want more customization, e.g. different DW options (not too many, just a couple more, especially for Undivided), and some more armour/stat modifiers, to give your Lord some different uses depending on how you equip him.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Brother SRM - that is what the 3.5ed codex did.

Exactly

However, there's a lot of stuff in that codex I didn't like, like the whole option for a first turn assault with a Nurgle Lord on steed with infiltrate and wings or whatever - I don't remember the exact equipment, but it was possible to get first turn charges with close combat monsters.

I'd vote for most of the Chaos Marine special characters to get Eternal Warrior, since the majority actually have been fighting for 10,000 years.

I also stand firmly against giving Chaos Marines any more loyalist stuff. I'd like the two armies to be as different as can be while still being fluffy.

Brother SRM wrote:I also stand firmly against giving Chaos Marines any more loyalist stuff. I'd like the two armies to be as different as can be while still being fluffy.

Seconded. Chaos *is* different, and the more different CSM are from Ultras, the better!

A Nurgle 'fast' attack or unique character - you know, to go with your changeling and three headed flesh hound that the other gods get... >.>

the_ferrett wrote:A Nurgle 'fast' attack or unique character - you know, to go with your changeling and three headed flesh hound that the other gods get... >.>

Winged Daemon Prince with a Mark of Nurgle.

Boom.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:I also stand firmly against giving Chaos Marines any more loyalist stuff. I'd like the two armies to be as different as can be while still being fluffy.

Seconded. Chaos *is* different, and the more different CSM are from Ultras, the better!

Thirded, I think the Space Marines are the spoiled children of GW, I would much rather not try to be a SM clone >.>

the_ferrett wrote:A Nurgle 'fast' attack or unique character - you know, to go with your changeling and three headed flesh hound that the other gods get... >.>

Nurgle and Fast don't really belong in the same sentence, Nurgle, by almost definition, is all about slow, ponderous battles of attrition.

OH! Nurgle Havocs that have Slow and Purpousful would be AWESOME!

Nurgle bikers are cool as hell, IMO. T6? Yesss. Probably too expensive for what they are though.