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I've noticed a ton of people seem to have a very profound dislike of anything made by Wargames Factory.

Sure the models aren't the same quality in detail as Games Workshop's own plastic sets but for the price tag and the amount of models I think it's a pretty alright deal.

I just bought my first set of them (The zombies) Sure they are a bit smaller than 28mm but it's worth it for the price I got them and the amount I can build.

Imperial wrote:Sure the models aren't the same quality in detail as Games Workshop's own plastic sets...

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Some people are happy with inferior quality if it's cheaper. Some feel that no price is low enough if the model isn't up to the standard they would be happy putting on the table.


Wargames Factory are doing a lot right, and they're blazing relatively new ground in the miniatures field... but the quality of their sculpts to date leaves a lot of people underwhelmed. That may change as time goes on, but for the moment, they are what they are.


Having said that, a certain amount of the 'hate' online also comes from other places... people being impatient with the release process, people not being interested in the particular models that WF are currently working on, people seeing them as a 'threat' to more conventional miniatures and somehow lowering the standard for everyone else... probably other reasons as well, but they're the main ones I've heard bandied about.

And the fanbois and apologists of GW also like taking potshots at other companies, eager to point out the perceived inferior quality. Certain of the guys posting seem to support GW like a football team or church and see other companies as 'the enemy', when their actually offering alternative products and widening the market choice.

Frankly I'd certainly take a scifi greatcoat over a razorgor, minotaur, obliterator or indeed much of the catachan range.

@OP , you'll find out that alot of the people that criticizes none GW brands also fully support GW bad products such as:

Glue, Drills , Air Brush, the list goes on.

So i agree with stompa , its fanboism

*Edit arnt they the guys that made Great Coat Shock Troopers? They look good to me

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H8trz love to haet.

Some people get off on sending out negative vibes and being part of a gang. Especially if they can get a fight going with another gang, i.e. the "fanbois".

In real life it is easy to deal with companies such as Wargame Factory. Just don't buy their products that you don't like.

I never heard of War-games Factory until i just clicked on this thread And i went to there website and i dont see what the big deal is i think the great coat stormtroopers look amazing..so i dont know what people would against them...


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And how much smaller are they compared to a Cadian

Imperial wrote: Wargames Factory: Why the hate?

People got tired of bitching about Scibor so picked another target?

And the fanbois and apologists of GW also like taking potshots at other companies, eager to point out the perceived inferior quality. Certain of the guys posting seem to support GW like a football team or church and see other companies as 'the enemy', when their actually offering alternative products and widening the market choice.

Frankly I'd certainly take a scifi greatcoat over a razorgor, minotaur, obliterator or indeed much of the catachan range.

Fair enough, I can see why some people seem to hate these miniatures



While I agree that they are like other have said less detailed but they seem to be improving with each passing set they make.

Imperial wrote:... they seem to be improving with each passing set they make.

And why anyone wouldn't want to foster that improvement is beyond me.

While i see alot of hate towards the models, i see even more people using them.
The greatcoats are nice models, but most replace the arms with cadain ones.

TBH - People will allways pick faults, its human nature to do so.

Myself, i love the models and i really do think they are going to do well.

However, people are comparing price and quality.
For now, GW remain stupidly expensive with a good quality, while WF are stupidly cheap, but not the best of sculpts (still good though)

Now, compare GW to a company like reaper.
Reaper out-does GW on price and quality.

so yea, people are comparing everything to GW for some reason, as if it was the only mainstread miniture cmopany.


Give it time and WF will be throwing out GW quality models at a fraction of the price. (unless they shoot themselves by going down the GW route of "we now have better quality, we now demand more money")

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Imperial wrote:... they seem to be improving with each passing set they make.

And why anyone wouldn't want to foster that improvement is beyond me.

Because for a certain kind of personality, hatred is vital. They need it to survive, they huddle around it to stay warm, they breathe it in until it seeps through every artery of their vile bodies. Or because they're teenagers. Take your pick.

insaniak wrote:

Imperial wrote:Sure the models aren't the same quality in detail as Games Workshop's own plastic sets...

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Some people are happy with inferior quality if it's cheaper. Some feel that no price is low enough if the model isn't up to the standard they would be happy putting on the table.

Insaniak nailed it right there. The minis are okay, but that's it. If it was about budget then I'd be right there but I'd rather get models I actually like.

GW has the same problem on quite a few ranges. I'd like a Dark Eldar army but so much of the range is terrible that it just isn't worth starting.

Anymore suggestions for alternative companies? saves me from trawling!
I think the greatcoats make a great sci-fi force, especially if you do a little repositioning and shave down a few bits here and there

I think their ancients models are fantastic- I'm just not sure what I'd do with them. Their minis are a bit plain, but I like that- I'm so sick of models that look like they brought their whole house with them strapped about their person.

Well I think a BIG problem is their stuff is hit and miss

Ok I admit I am EASILY impressed by pretty much anything (even "horrible" gw things like Minos, I think they look kinda cool) but yea if you go to their official forums and say something like "Ehh I dont really like how WF is managed and I think they could be doing better", prepare for a lynch mob attack


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weetyskemian44 wrote:Anymore suggestions for alternative companies? saves me from trawling!

What kind minis do you want?

LunaHound wrote:@OP , you'll find out that alot of the people that criticizes none GW brands also fully support GW bad products such as:

Glue, Drills , Air Brush, the list goes on.

So i agree with stompa , its fanboism

You'll also find that a lot of those who criticise non-GW brands are just as critical of GW.

Writing it off as 'fanboi-ism' is simplistic. That may be an aspect of it for some people... but it's not the only reason for it. Or even the main one, I would suspect. For all the frequency with which the term is thrown around in cyberspace, I have met very, very few people who are that one-eyed about GW products... most are perfectly capable of accepting that GW puts out stinkers just like any other company.

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I've never bought anything by Wargames Factory, the only thing that would've interested me is their greatcoat IG-a-likes. But that is a very disengenuous comparison - I mean, one set of models is professionally painted and photographed, while the other isn't. The GW models have got to be 10 years old, and I assume the WGF models are quite recent. There's not much comparison between the old chaos marauders and, say, the newest GW plastic kits I've seen (IG command squads and sentinels).

i think the models look good,cant see that i`d use any but for the price not bad

MeanGreenStompa wrote:And the fanbois and apologists of GW also like taking potshots at other companies, eager to point out the perceived inferior quality. Certain of the guys posting seem to support GW like a football team or church and see other companies as 'the enemy', when their actually offering alternative products and widening the market choice.

There's definitely an element of this, it's like wearing branded clothing. GW insist that only GW figures are used in their shops and at their events. Fair enough. But I think some people get used to this and go out of the shops and into the wider hobby and suddenly become indignant that other people playing Warhammer are fielding armies at a fraction of the price from other manufacturers instead of spending the huge layout required for a pure GW army.

weetyskemian44 wrote:Anymore suggestions for alternative companies? saves me from trawling!
I think the greatcoats make a great sci-fi force, especially if you do a little repositioning and shave down a few bits here and there

What kind of figures are you looking for? There are various plastic ancients, mediaeval, and 19th century ranges on the market.

I suppose I prefer sci-fi and modern type stuff, but I love the ancient stuff too. Really individualistic stuff is great - like what reaper does. A bit of Steam punk, the odd mercenary and street gang member, civilian militia, strange characters, celtic, and goth

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:But that is a very disengenuous comparison - I mean, one set of models is professionally painted and photographed, while the other isn't. The GW models have got to be 10 years old, and I assume the WGF models are quite recent. There's not much comparison between the old chaos marauders and, say, the newest GW plastic kits I've seen (IG command squads and sentinels).

As long as the old chaos marauders are being sold by GW, I'd say the comparison is quite fair. GW isn't a baby that needs our protection- when they decide they don't want their current line of Norse-esque barbarians to represent them, they are more than capable of arranging the resources to get them replaced. Until they do, those models are choices GW has made and it is totally fair to judge them as harshly as any of us would like.

That said, there is a key difference between the two sets. WGF's minis are intended to be fairly historical. GW's clearly are not. So they are trying for different aesthetics. As GW's designs get more and more ridiculous, I find myself getting more interested in real historical minis. I'll probably never go full-bore into historical gaming, but I really appreciate that companies like WGF are trying to bridge the historical market into plastics. At the very worst, they broaden the supply of bits available to everyone.

But personally, I'll take a bunch of WGF barbarians in striped pants over GW's overly muscled, giant-weapons-no-one-could-ever-wield-in-real-life barbarians any day.

Why the hate? I dont hate them... but I dont love them either.
I like to critic any miniatures from anyone under my personal preferences I could care less about the companies.

Looking at these miniatures I find them errrrr... bad! WHen they make good minis I will praise them untill then I can only just express my reasons and why I dont like their stuff so far.

Hate= other companies apologists? sorry guys but Hate= stupidity... as much as blind fanboyism does ( if you go to WF forums theres lots of those also there).

In the end it all balances it out for itself and then you find me in the moderated middle waiting for nice minis from anyone outhere.
A good mini is just a good mini and a bad one is also just a bad mini, who made them is a bit irrelevant since Im no shareholder of any of them so my interest is just based on the goods they put out.

I find a bit odd this thread because many of you are assuming people critisizing WF minis = haterz and that I find shortsighted.

WGF minis:

Pro: they are CHEAP!

Con: they are CHEAP!

I can buy a whole bucket of green army men and paint them like Cadians for very little cash. Instead I bought 150 Vostroyans and painstakingly converted them with headswaps and sculpting to look unique.

Guess it comes down to dedication. Cheap models is one step above cardboard chits in my opinion. If you're going to do an army DO it! lol

As to the "Fanboyz" claims, I regularly use non-GW things and am always exploring alternative models that either fit the range or help convert GW models (my IG heads are Pig Iron). GW does make some stupid models (like the Vostroyan heads that I axed!) but rarely are they cheap poorly made models. There's a difference.

I buy miniatures to paint so I want the best I can get, but I justify my purchases because I play games with them. It doesn't matter how great/poor the figures are if I can't use them in a game. I have a GW empire army that is made up of Reaper female figures. In the recent 'Ard boyz tournament I couldn't play them because they aren't GW and had to resort to old unpainted GW figs. If I could convert my gaming group to play Reaper's fantasy game or anyone's for that matter than I could play the miniatures that I want to play. I won't buy Wargames Factory just because they would have to stay on the shelf during tournaments.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Imperial wrote: Wargames Factory: Why the hate?

People got tired of bitching about Scibor so picked another target?

No they didn't. Real haters have energy for more than one target.

I like their stuff. Well I'm not a huge fan of their death korps looking guys but the historical stuff is all great. I like their vikings way better than GW's marauders. In fact if I was doing a chaos mortals army I'd prolly wanna use WGF's models instead.

I think it all boils down to the ongoing hobbyist vs gamer debate. Gamers are all for inexpensive solutions to field massive units for their games. Hobbyists desire high quality miniatures to showcase, convert, do whatever with.

I'm not particularly good at the hobby aspect of the game I play so I guess I'm all for cheaper miniatures. Seriously, I am unable to tell the difference between a GW sculpt and a Wargames Factory sculpt from the 5 feet away that I see them on the game table.

I think that lots of GW minis look like ass: Obliterators, Crisis Suits, various models in the Dark Eldar line, the Avatar, etc. etc.

I also think that the "greatcoat troopers" from WGF look like ass. I don't hate the company, but it's definitely not a product I'm interested in. Just because I don't want what they're selling doesn't mean that I hate the company.