5th edition Chaos Marines; What do you want to see?

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**Mordoskul**

Like the title says, what would you like to see in the 5th edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

**Iur_tae_mont**

The Soul Grinder, Real Daemons again.

**SumYungGui**

I'd like a Chaos Space Marines codex, not a renegade marines codex guest-starring Chaos. Will never agree with taking Demons out of the codex even if it was to give them their own.

**Iur_tae_mont**

They should atleast gotten like an Allies rule were you could use Chaos Marines in a Daemon Army and Daemons on a Chaos Marines army.

**Mordoskul**

Hell yes to the Soulgrinder!

**Samus_aran115**

Already been done dude. Try the search function (even if everyone knows it sucks

)

Better icons, better chosen, better lords, icons for tanks.

Better daemonic possession, better possessed marines.More options for defilers. Chaos Plasma land Raiders!

**Mordoskul**

Dammit! (somewhere in the Warp) Just as planned!

**AbaddonFidelis**

not written by gav thorpe.
drop pods.
psychic defenses.
give us our fething books of chaos back.
give us our fething legit demons back.
possessed that don't suck. just once.
ya ya ya

**Mordoskul**

(sheepishly) I liked the Thorpness...

**AbaddonFidelis**

rage

**Mordoskul**

Thanks for the advice on the daemons, though.

**Samus_aran115**

AbaddonFidelis wrote:not written by gav thorpe.
drop pods.
psychic defenses.
give us our fething books of chaos back.
give us our fething legit demons back.
possessed that don't suck. just once.
ya ya ya

CORRECT!

All of this.

**AbaddonFidelis**

hahaha

**JohnHwangDD**

Mordoskul wrote:Like the title says, what would you like to see in the 5th edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

Top 5:

1. Markable Lesser Daemons, but starting with a S3 T3 basic statline.

2. Markable Greater Daemon, with Wings

3. Cheaper Possessed (Troops option for Black Legion).

4. Markable Cultists (also count as Beastmen & Mutants), as non-Scoring Troops (Scoring for Word Bearers)

5. "Big 4" Special Characters removed (for future CSM Legions book)

**keezus**

@JohnDD: Re: Taking out the big 4. Look what happened when they did that with Daemons. Using GW's rules-writing logic, this would only end up with a main book with no daemons OR specialty marines, and no way to get them back!

They'd have marks, but those would only make "poor mans" versions of the cult troops, without specialty wargear. The writers would include special characters for each of the lesser legions though, and rules to make uh... "characterful" lists like Raptor troops for Night Lords, Havoc troops for Iron Warriors, and outflanking Rhinos for Alpha Legion. Word Bearers will get less than nothing with some hamfisted CHAPLAIN ABOMINUS or somesuch with the rules to make spawns as troops. Black Legion will be stock Chaos Marines with um... free mark undivided for each unit. Yeah!

There'd be a huge White Dwarf spread of the new command sculpts, and Jervis would write another Standard Bearer about how the Chaos book is more streamlined without cult troops (get their own book DAWG!) and how lots of new options have been opened up...!

Oh yeah!!!!

**Leo_the_Rat**

Cult teminators. They were there for one brief shining moment and then they were gone.

**AbaddonFidelis**

oh yeah I forgot all about that. in my cult of khorne who are the only bozos without furious charge? the lord and his elite retinue. pretty fething stupid.

**Maenus_Rajhana**

Psychic defenses
A Greater Daemon who isn't slow as all crap

those are my biggest ones, though markable daemons of both flavors is pretty damn high on my list as well.

**LazzurusMan**

A lord with eternal warrior....WHY DOESN'T HE HAVE IT ALLREADY?

I mean, c'mon, if the choas gods gave him all that power....why let a single lascanon totting devastator kill him instantly?

**terribletrygon**

I'd like to see some fluff about how the Red Corsairs are destroyed so hard, they never had the spot light in 4th ed.

Also Doom Rider kills his way into Huron's Special Character position + Codex Art Work of Abbadon stomping all over Thorpe.

**JohnHwangDD**

keezus wrote:@JohnDD: Re: Taking out the big 4. Look what happened when they did that with Daemons. Using GW's rules-writing logic, this would only end up with a main book with no daemons OR specialty marines, and no way to get them back!

They'd have marks, but those would only make "poor mans" versions of the cult troops, without specialty wargear. The writers would include special characters for each of the lesser legions though, and rules to make uh... "characterful" lists like Raptor troops for Night Lords, Havoc troops for Iron Warriors, and outflanking Rhinos for Alpha Legion. Word Bearers will get less than nothing with some hamfisted CHAPLAIN ABOMINUS or somesuch with the rules to make spawns as troops. Black Legion will be stock Chaos Marines with um... free mark undivided for each unit. Yeah!

There'd be a huge White Dwarf spread of the new command sculpts, and Jervis would write another Standard Bearer about how the Chaos book is more streamlined without cult troops (get their own book DAWG!) and how lots of new options have been opened up...!

Oh yeah!!!!

I'm looking at Warhammer Fantasy, in which Daemons are one army, Mortals are another, and Beastmen are a third. Not to mention how Undead were split into Wet and Dry. In that context, Chaos Daemons, Chaos Legions, and Chaos Marines makes perfect sense. Legions would have Cult Terminators and Cult Rhinos and so on.

Chaos Marines can have basic Markable S3 T3 Lesser Daemons, along with basic Cult Marines. Daemons would have full-on S4 T4-based Cult Daemons. And, of course, as you suggest, a whole raft of MoCU Special Characters, taking the MoCU Legions and renegades out of the shadow of the Big 4, ultimately giving players *more* choices.

Your note on the WD article misses how GW would blather about how they've been working on Chaos Legions for *years* and blah-blah-blah, finally they are able to release blah-blah *awesome sauce* blah-blah, *BUY MOAR!!!* blah.

I'd still be excited over it.

**AbaddonFidelis**

well the days of cheap and easy access to eternal warrior are gone forever. marines dont have it, chaos doesnt have it, bugs dont have it etc etc. that's not coming back any time soon. personally I'm in favor of it - the instant death rule was starting to look kind of pointless a few years ago.

And yes BRING BACK DOOM RIDER!!!!! Let them quiver in rapturuous ecstacy as they are impaled upon his throbbing demon sword!!! Let them fall to their knees in rapturuous bliss as the white heat of his gushing plasma pistol spills upon them!!! May they know the ecstatic bliss he graciously bestows upon them in an orgy of destruction!!! For these reasons and more, Oh Great God Slaanesh, we beseech thee, Send forth your servant DOOM RIDER!!!!!!

**Mordoskul**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Mordoskul wrote:Like the title says, what would you like to see in the 5th edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

Top 5:

1. Markable Lesser Daemons, but starting with a S3 T3 basic statline.

2. Markable Greater Daemon, with Wings

3. Cheaper Possessed (Troops option for Black Legion).

4. Markable Cultists (also count as Beastmen & Mutants), as non-Scoring Troops (Scoring for Word Bearers)

5. "Big 4" Special Characters removed (for future CSM Legions book)

Hmm, I like it, but why remove the big 4 as you put it?

**Samus_aran115**

Just asking...Is doomrider a metal model with a plastic bike, or is his bike metal too?

I just put together a plastic CSM bike and it was awesomely easy! I want to make a bike army now!

**AbaddonFidelis**

he's a plastic csm bike kit with some metal bits.

**JohnHwangDD**

Mordoskul wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:Top 5:

1. Markable Lesser Daemons, but starting with a S3 T3 basic statline.

2. Markable Greater Daemon, with Wings

3. Cheaper Possessed (Troops option for Black Legion).

4. Markable Cultists (also count as Beastmen & Mutants), as non-Scoring Troops (Scoring for Word Bearers)

5. "Big 4" Special Characters removed (for future CSM Legions book)

Hmm, I like it, but why remove the big 4 as you put it?

To free up design space by splitting CSM into Big 4 Legions vs unaligned Legions

**AbaddonFidelis**

I don't think they'll do two sperate codices. They're big projects and they take up alot of their R&D team's time. Besides that two codices for one model range? I'm skeptical...

**avantgarde**

Make Thousand Sons not suck.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:I don't think they'll do two separate codices. They're big projects and they take up alot of their R&D team's time.

It's not like the devs actually play test the rules that extensively.

Besides that two codices for one model range? I'm skeptical...

I agree that would be absurd, almost as absurd as 5 codices sharing the same model line.

**JohnHwangDD**

AbaddonFidelis wrote:I don't think they'll do two sperate codices. They're big projects and they take up alot of their R&D team's time. Besides that two codices for one model range? I'm skeptical...

Are you talking about 40k's Space Marines or Chaos Daemons of Chaos?

Splitting the books takes less time per book, as each book is more focused.

**AbaddonFidelis**

mmmmm.... they only partially share it. blood angels space wolves etc have plenty of their own toys. I just dont see why they would do two different books. they've never gone into the background of the renegade legions in anything like as much detail as they have the loyalists. what would be in the world eaters section of the codex? more berserkers? they're not like space wolves who have 20 different kinds of units. they're all berserkers. I just dont see it. yes thousand sons not sucking would be awesome. I think we're going to have to wait for 6th and 5++ cover for that. other than the cover issue the real problem with thousand sons is their price. at 20 points a guy and 50 points for a sorcerer with any power free + an upgraded blast of tzeentch or whatever they would be good. AF

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JohnHwangDD wrote:
AbaddonFidelis wrote:I don't think they'll do two sperate codices. They're big projects and they take up alot of their R&D team's time. Besides that two codices for one model range? I'm skeptical...

Are you talking about 40k's Space Marines or Chaos Daemons of Chaos?

Splitting the books takes less time per book, as each book is more focused.

demons have two different books because they're in two different games