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Seriously?

Lost and the Damned, and Slaves to Darkness.

These two books together have enough chaos to shake a tentical at. A way to make your own chaos army that is open ended enough that you can actually have chaos and not pretty ponys on crack.

Other then that, I want chaos in my chaos flakes. Not just spikey Space Marines.

Cultists, Zombies, Spawn of Chaos, Demon troops, Etc.etc.etc. If I want a platoon of IG in there as well, waving thier doom banner, then let them roll.

IG, Orks, Tau, ETC. I want all of the other factions in 40K to be able to have some inclusions under the chaos Trademark.

Blood for the greater good!!!

I just re-read the icon entry in the codex and just realized icons grant a unit the mark of that god. Didn't know that. So a unit of CSM with an icon of nurgle count for Epidemius's ability. At least until they lose the icon (which is why they suck - but the chaos glory one is still good).

I definitely agree that thousands don't suck. They won me games simply because of the built in invulnerable save. Possessed on the other hand, I have a hard time justifying. Cool models, but Demonkin is just so random. If I could have possessed with fleet every time, I'd seriously think about taking them. Throw an icon of Tzeentch in there and they are very resilient.

John, I don't know why you don't like DP's and defilers. They are part of a CSM force just like the marines themselves. Of course DP's are better than CSM, they have ascended to their ultimate goal.




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You know what? Why don't all codexes let you take 2 wound HQ's as 2 for 1 HQ choices? If they let demons and space wolves do it, why not let everyone do it? What's so special about wolves and demons that only they can take extra HQ's?

Squigsquasher wrote: Possessed and Thousand Sons do not suck.

Get rid of generic Greater and Lesser Daemons in favour of the ones from Codex: Chaos Daemons.

No Soul Grinder though-Chaos Space Marines already have the Defiler.

Add some special characters from the Word Bearers, Night Lords, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion.

Prehaps the Word Bearers could get the Warmonger (the Chaos Dreadnought from the Dark Apostle series). He could be a beefed-up Chaos Dreadnought without the "Crazed" rule, and a rule saying that all friendly units within 6" of him are Fearless, due to his inspiring presence.

Dreadclaw Drop Pods would be good.

Legion special rules would be awesome-Hooray for Word Bearers!

And how about a Chaos Land Speeder?

Possesed and TS may not suck, but they're not so great, either...

Markable Daemons are a good compromise between full-on Chaos Daemons and one-size-fits-all Daemons. As I noted, the thing is, they have to be worse than regular 14-pt CSMs, so limits how good they can be. Sadly, Chaos Daemons aren't cheap enough to be horde-like (they should have been, and this can be fixed with the next Codex), so there's a disconnect.

Soul Grinder would be OK, but it'd need to be worse than the Chaos Daemons version, and different from the Defiler.

More Special Characters should be a given.

A Chaos Dread comparable to Bjorn would be fine.

Pods should also be a given.

Legion rules? Tied to the appropriate SC, sure!

No Chaos Landspeeders - they just don't have Skimmer tech. Copying SMs is the worst thing to do.


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Noisy_Marine wrote:John, I don't know why you don't like DP's and defilers. They are part of a CSM force just like the marines themselves. Of course DP's are better than CSM, they have ascended to their ultimate goal.

Is this to me? I like Daemon Princes & Defilers - they're properly characterful, far moreso than Chaos Lords and Chaos Dreads which merely mirror their SM counterparts.

More blood for the blood god.

coolyo294 wrote:More blood for the blood god.

You just can't get enough! BLOOD FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!!!!