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The Wyvern would have to count against my opponent's point cost to even make me think about taking it.

Maybe the plan is7th Ed. Coherency is 1 inch. Then maybe small blast will be worth something?

Unless, of course, the other artillery tanks (that lack a kit), are removed, the Wyvern is quite a joke.

Sorry for the idea of "it will rack up a ton of wounds". I said that thinking that shred wounded on a +2 ( what I get for not having a rule book in front of me). Its a joke now why did they create this?

Fleshbane wounds on a 2+, but alas, that would be too awesome to have.

 BrookM wrote:
Unless, of course, the other artillery tanks (that lack a kit), are removed, the Wyvern is quite a joke.

A second joke would be to move every other heavy support tanks that do not have a plastic model to a new dataslate ® : Astra Militarum ® artillery !
Oh and nerf the Manticore, because it is obviously too good, while his kit counterpart needs some overhaul.
So why not a Deathstrike throwing a strength : D large blast ?

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Unless, of course, the other artillery tanks (that lack a kit), are removed, the Wyvern is quite a joke.

A second joke would be to move every other heavy support tanks that do not have a plastic model to a new dataslate ® : Astra Militarum ® artillery !
Oh and nerf the Manticore, because it is obviously too good, while his kit counterpart needs some overhaul.
So why not a Deathstrike throwing a strength : D large blast ?

We need to have a conversation about the word "joke"

I use mortars..and the only thing I see of the Wyvern is that it got armour and no leadership, so it would need 3 glancing or a single good penetrating hit to get it killed.

But yeah basically just a supped-up mortar.

"From Faeit 2012 New looks like some more goodies. Things from IA:1 goodness?

This week we are getting confirmations that the Astra Militarum (Imperial Guard) are getting their new codex with a new Hydra Flakk Tank dual box set that includes the new Wyvern artillery. The one thing missing here are leaked Ogryns that we have seen and talked so much about, and I can assume that these are coming the week after.

Please remember that these are rumored still, as there has been no official release information out.

via Dex in Alaska on Faeit 212
Pre-Orders April 5th, Released April 12th
Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern $56
Codex: Astra Militarum $49.50
104 Pages, New Warlord Traits, background, “Along with a number of units never seen in the army before” “including rules for tank commanders and tempestus Scions platoons”
Codex: Astra Militarum Limited Edition $100 (online only)
Astra Militarum Cadian Armoured Fist $60 (11 models)- chimera +10guardsmen
Astra Militarum Orders: $6 (10 cards)

Commissar- paperback $14
Honour Imperialis Omnibus-paperback $17.50

Horus Heresy Book III: Extermination $116 (online only)"



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Zengu wrote:
"From Faeit 2012 New looks like some more goodies. Things from IA:1 goodness?

This week we are getting confirmations that the Astra Militarum (Imperial Guard) are getting their new codex with a new Hydra Flakk Tank dual box set that includes the new Wyvern artillery. The one thing missing here are leaked Ogryns that we have seen and talked so much about, and I can assume that these are coming the week after.

Please remember that these are rumored still, as there has been no official release information out.

via Dex in Alaska on Faeit 212
Pre-Orders April 5th, Released April 12th
Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern $56
Codex: Astra Militarum $49.50
104 Pages, New Warlord Traits, background, “Along with a number of units never seen in the army before” “including rules for tank commanders and tempestus Scions platoons”
Codex: Astra Militarum Limited Edition $100 (online only)
Astra Militarum Cadian Armoured Fist $60 (11 models)- chimera +10guardsmen
Astra Militarum Orders: $6 (10 cards)

Commissar- paperback $14
Honour Imperialis Omnibus-paperback $17.50

Horus Heresy Book III: Extermination $116 (online only)"

http://www.natfka.blogspot.com/2014/03/this-weeks-release-list-astra-militarum.html

cool!

I'm curious if the limited edition codex will follow the utterly useless GW mould (stupid $50 dust jacket) or the useful one done by FW (the Istvaan 3 LE). Obviously the former is much more likely. Every time I see one of those up on the swap shop or bartertown I cross my fingers that the person selling gets no more than $5-10 over the cost of the normal codex.

It might be somewhere in between the two, like the Imperial Knight Limited Edition was with art prints.

Also it's worth noting that previously, "limited editions" for Forge World were just that if you ordered quick enough you got a signed book with no price difference.
The Istvaan LE is seemingly them dipping their toes into the LE marketplace.

Cadian Armoured Fist squad eh? Could this be the return of the actual unit entry as well then?

I'm fully expecting the LE codex to be nothing more than a different dust jacket and as equally a waste of money as all the prior LE codices.

 BrookM wrote:
Cadian Armoured Fist squad eh? Could this be the return of the actual unit entry as well then?

I kind of doubt it. Theoretically "Armoured Fist squads" never left. They're still mentioned by name in the soon to be replaced Codex Imperial Guard.

I think we might just see something like "If you take a Tank Commander you must take Chimera mounted Veteran/Infantry Squads" or something like that.

Oh well, one can dream, though the ability to take a command tank as a HQ, oh my~!

 Brother SRM wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well, at least they are following the IG vehicle naming convention.

Also, the game totally needed more ignore cover. I mean, those armies that rely on cover to survive are just too OP

Ignore cover with AP6 is hardly a problem, and doesn't really contribute to that overarching issue the game has these days.

General Hobbs wrote:



I think that seals the deal that the Colossus (and Penal Guard) are goners.

Um... why exactly?

No kit usually means the unit is a goner. Especially if other companies make models for them. I was holding out the slim hope the Hydra or Basi would be packaged with the Colossus, but the Wyvern overlaps enough (except for AP) that it tells me it will replace Colossus. You have Basilisks to kill Marines, and Wyverns for light infantry, no real niche for the Colossus except to deny 3+ a cover save....

12/10/10 48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred. Oh wow sweet! That's so awesome. Just what I wanted. This is going to see so much play wow.

Up next, Codex: Gunslinger! Now we can use dual wielding plasma pistol characters again!

Hope fw vehicles are in new codex.

I wonder if you can take a tank as your warlord and how that works with warlord traits.

As for the Wyvern, why does GW insist on having so many multiple blast weapons and such bad multiple blast rules? Not in terms of effectiveness, just that they take so bloody long to resolve each salvo. I don't want to make six separate rolls and fiddle about placing a template for each one just to see how many hits I aren't going to be converting into casualties in the end anyway.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Hmm so I notic that the "Militarum Tempestus"
Get their own section in the army list at GW site ?? they are a army by they now right now ..with TWO modells ..a hole section for TWO modells ...

I know the knights get their own section ..but they are not a part of any other army so it make a bit more seens

I find it really confusing that Imperial guard elite units do not include the new"stormtroopers" aka Militarum Tempestus

WHY ?!

Its because adding "codex" seems to justify charging full amount on something that should be no more then $20.

As much as HQ Russes would be awesome, I imagine (although I hope I'm wrong) it refers to Pask-type characters, who command tanks.

I think tank-HQs are pretty much the realm of the ABG list.

Assuming these are true, I'm glad Scion rules are in the codex.

"48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred"



Such pointlessness! Much redundancy. Very dumb.

 Paradigm wrote:
As much as HQ Russes would be awesome, I imagine (although I hope I'm wrong) it refers to Pask-type characters, who command tanks.

I think tank-HQs are pretty much the realm of the ABG list.

So?

Assuming these are true, I'm glad Scion rules are in the codex.

Why do people think they won't be? Do you have to buy Codex: Space Marines to field Rhinos or Land Raiders in Dark Angels or Grey Knights?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred"



Such pointlessness! Much redundancy. Very dumb.

Amen.

Anyone want to take bets on the point cost of the Wyvern?

5 internetz says 100pts.

 Blacksails wrote:
Anyone want to take bets on the point cost of the Wyvern?

5 internetz says 100pts.

You do realize that the Griffon is 75 points right now, yes?

 Blacksails wrote:
Anyone want to take bets on the point cost of the Wyvern?

5 internetz says 100pts.

Its apparently going for 65pts.

 Kanluwen wrote:

You do realize that the Griffon is 75 points right now, yes?

Exactly my point.

It'll be beautiful in its absurdity.


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 Ravenous D wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Anyone want to take bets on the point cost of the Wyvern?

5 internetz says 100pts.

Its apparently going for 65pts.

Wow, that's...not completely awful.

Just mostly awful.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred"



Such pointlessness! Much redundancy. Very dumb.

More so when there is things like the eradicator that is S6 ap3 ignores cover.

 Blacksails wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

You do realize that the Griffon is 75 points right now, yes?

Exactly my point.

It'll be beautiful in its absurdity.

Yes, but the person who posted the Wyvern rumor states that the "Wyvern is 10 points less than a Griffon".
75-10 does not equal 100.