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I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.
   
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Bah.

Its the beginning that makes it worth it. There's so much of the universe that we've never seen before, instead of the same old crap and same old faces. And it actually takes the time to show us some of that before being forced to link up directly with the start of New Hope.

For about 30-40 minutes, Star Wars actually felt like a galaxy rather than a handful of tired meme planets and Star Wars street.

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I'm not sure if Rise of Skywalker is worse than Attack of the Clones, but deciding would require rewatching at least one of them, and I'm not about to dare go down that path.

On the whole I think Last Jedi is one of the better films, but its so long that there's both an entire movie of some of the best scenes in Star Wars.... and a whole movie worth of some of the worst.
   
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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.


I really don't think Jyn and Galen were forgettable. Andor, K-2S0, Chirrut, Krennic were all very good characters. Jyn is infinitely more likable than Rey ever will be, which is a big part of why I liked the film.


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 LunarSol wrote:
I'm not sure if Rise of Skywalker is worse than Attack of the Clones, but deciding would require rewatching at least one of them, and I'm not about to dare go down that path.

On the whole I think Last Jedi is one of the better films, but its so long that there's both an entire movie of some of the best scenes in Star Wars.... and a whole movie worth of some of the worst.


The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are in my opinion the very best of Star Wars. I'll never get tired of enjoying those two films.

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 LunarSol wrote:
I'm not sure if Rise of Skywalker is worse than Attack of the Clones, but deciding would require rewatching at least one of them, and I'm not about to dare go down that path.

On the whole I think Last Jedi is one of the better films, but its so long that there's both an entire movie of some of the best scenes in Star Wars.... and a whole movie worth of some of the worst.


dont get me wrong, attack has its own flaws. all the star wars movies do, but i would say attack made far fewer of them, again because it had a much more coherent and controlled development, and tied into the preceding film, whereas Rise just basically retconned a major plot point of the previous film, introduced a new enemy form left field with zero explanation or even build up (literally "somehow hes back"!), tries to have a shock main character kill (that it can't bring itself to actually kill), and the ending space battle doesnt work of a laundry list of reasons i wont bore you with.

trust me, its significantly better worse than attack of the clones.

edit: somehow called it better than attack, dispite not meaning to.

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xerxeskingofking wrote:

trust me, its significantly better than attack of the clones.


Worse you mean? I'll take your word for it. RoS is the one film in the entire saga I really didn't have anything good to say about.
   
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Krieg! What a hole...

Another good side to Rogue One was the Death Troopers. They've become by far my favorite trooper look. And they, at least, get to be competent for a scene before the plot armor kicks in.

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 Grimskul wrote:



Pitch meeting knocks it out of the park again.


Red Letter Media also has the second part of theirs. (surprisingly, they mostly liked it)


Also, also, a list of the next 9 SW shows (some already known, obviously)
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-tv-shows-releasing-after-obi-wan-kenobi/

Andor
Bad Batch 2
Tales of the Jedi (2022, six episodes covering Ahsoka, Dooku, Jinn, Windu, Anakin and 'more')
Mando 3 (Feb, 2023)
Young Jedi Adventures (2023, animated, aimed at pre-school age kids, and randomly possibly the first High Republic show, but the article seems confused about that)
Ahsoka (2023)
SW Skeleton Crew (?? post OT, Jude Law and apparently a bunch of kids trying to go home)
The Acolyte (??, end of the High Republic, because obviously that's the best place to start)
And finally, Lando. (?? because the guy who played him in Solo is apparently super busy)


Also Rogue Squadron is still a thing, and still 2023.

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 Grimskul wrote:
Pitch meeting knocks it out of the park again.
100%.

What a waste of 5 weeks that show was...

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Help me Obi Wan Kenobi Cassian Andor, you are my only hope! I said I was looking forward to it and was hoping this was going to happen, but reading it in the article makes me happy:

Andor will bring back Saw Gerrera (Forest Whitaker)...


He's easily one of the best things to happen to Star Wars in the last decade.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
Pitch meeting knocks it out of the park again.
100%.

What a waste of 5 weeks that show was...


But cause for a great seven minutes of Pitch Meeting.

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Good old Pitch Meeting is spot on, but I still enjoyed the show despite it's flaws, mainly for the bits with Vader in, and young Leia joins that very small number of child characters I don't find incredibly annoying. If Season 2 goes ahead then hopefully they'll learn some lessons.
   
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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.


A lot of Star Wars fans like the military Sci Fi part more than space wizards. The idea of a rebellion against a vast, corrupt galactic power. Rogue One does that. Not perfectly, but if the highlight of the films for you was Hoth you have had to wait a long time for anything similar.
   
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That and the crime (which R1 also overlaps with a little). I'm here for the fun stuff, not morally bankrupt space wizards with a pyramid-temple full of hubris.

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If only the Empire had remembered that they have nigh impenetrable shields which can cover a whole planet when they built those giant space stations...
   
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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.


We love it because we finally got to see an OT-era space battle with modern CGI. No jedi, no main characters doing gimmick nonsense with a battle in the background like ROTS, just x-wings and y-wings dogfighting with TIE fighters like God Himself intended. Which of course makes it completely baffling that Disney hasn't given us a Rogue Squadron show, or even a halfway decent dogfight. It's sad that the best new Star Wars war content was in a video game trailer.

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CadianSgtBob wrote:
 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.


We love it because we finally got to see an OT-era space battle with modern CGI. No jedi, no main characters doing gimmick nonsense with a battle in the background like ROTS, just x-wings and y-wings dogfighting with TIE fighters like God Himself intended.


Exactly, I couldn't have explained it better.

I also add that a standalone story, with a beginning and a definitive ending, is something some people (me, for starters) value a lot, especially in an era of endless sagas.

 
   
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Toronto, Ontario

CadianSgtBob wrote:
 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.


We love it because we finally got to see an OT-era space battle with modern CGI. No jedi, no main characters doing gimmick nonsense with a battle in the background like ROTS, just x-wings and y-wings dogfighting with TIE fighters like God Himself intended. Which of course makes it completely baffling that Disney hasn't given us a Rogue Squadron show, or even a halfway decent dogfight. It's sad that the best new Star Wars war content was in a video game trailer.


So, in other words, the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it?
   
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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
CadianSgtBob wrote:
 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I will seriously never understand why the fandom loves Rogue One so much. It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars, but the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it. It's baffling. If Rogue One was an entry in any other franchise, it would have been savagely torn apart.


We love it because we finally got to see an OT-era space battle with modern CGI. No jedi, no main characters doing gimmick nonsense with a battle in the background like ROTS, just x-wings and y-wings dogfighting with TIE fighters like God Himself intended. Which of course makes it completely baffling that Disney hasn't given us a Rogue Squadron show, or even a halfway decent dogfight. It's sad that the best new Star Wars war content was in a video game trailer.


So, in other words, the lasers and explosions at the end somehow make the whole thing worth it?


So, in other words, anyone who watches films in a long running sci-fi series known not only for special effects but innovative special effects shouldn’t enjoy seeing films in that long running sci-fi series when they include special effects?\

It’s…..a weird flex.

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It's a story about regular dudes, not superheroes. And the main cast is all new characters.

I find characters like Andor and Jyn much more interesting than Luke or Rei, let alone Anakin, and an antagonist like Krennic also much more interesting than the Emperor or Kylo Ren. There's also a plethora of secondary characters that are extremely interesting and refreshing, starting with the droid.

Visuals are great the entire movie but at least when it comes to real battles there isn't the nonsense we saw countless times in other SW installments.

 
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
If only the Empire had remembered that they have nigh impenetrable shields which can cover a whole planet when they built those giant space stations...


Wow, now we have a new 'weirdest complaint ever.'

They didn't forget. That was the entire point of the ground operation on Endor. To knock out the shields protecting the death star.
The entire space battle, rebel fleet vs imperial fleet, was a delaying action until those shields were shut down.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

So, in other words, anyone who watches films in a long running sci-fi series known not only for special effects but innovative special effects shouldn’t enjoy seeing films in that long running sci-fi series when they include special effects?\

It’s…..a weird flex.


Who's flexing? I'm genuinely curious why star wars fans love Rogue One. Voss so far is the only person I've seen defend the film with something other than 'b-b-but the battle at the end is so cool! And Vader! Did you see Vader?!'
   
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I'm curious what your issues with the movie are. Mind going into more detail than "It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars"?

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Cobblers. Many have explained their enjoyment, but your response appears to be “nuh-uh, lasers are for babies”

If you didn’t enjoy it, you didn’t enjoy it. But could you please not pretend others have no explanation for a differing opinion?

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i enjoyed the early parts of the moive, as well as the big end battle. The exploration of the darker side of the rebellion, of the lengths that those fighting the empire would go to for "the greater good". Quite a few rebels showed they were, in fact, the terrorists the imperials said they were.

I feel thiers room for a series or show with a greater focus on this aspect, with the main cast being a bunch of "villain protagonists", morally grey type imperial intel agents, working against full on "ends justify the means" extremist rebel group. the show can explore the problems both sides face, the imperials having to recoile their desire for a stable orderly government that just lets people get on with living with the increasingly cartoonishly evil senior leadership, and the rebels can soul search over the questions of wether their noble goals can actaully justify the means they are forced to use etc.

lots of room for great character work, but i feel its much to morally complex for modern production......

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In an ideal world you just described Andor, but yeah, I'm not expecting it.

Come on, Disney. Prove me wrong. I dare you!

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I by no means think Rogue One is a perfect movie, and I think there are definitely parts of it that could be improved. But I think the fact that it slots in well into the other movies without feeling overbearing or too big on the nostalgia factor beyond Vader and that brief moment with Leia, really helped to set up the feeling of the Rebel Alliance beyond the main cast of the OT. Furthermore, seeing the internal Imperial politicking between Krennic, Vader and Tarkin was nice and gives us more of the Empire's perspective than we usually get in the movies. The fact that the focus was a pyrrhic victory for the rebels and it was more on the regular mooks rather than the Jedi was an added plus and shows how things were moving forward even before Luke and the gang got the ball rolling in a New Hope.
   
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 Geifer wrote:
I'm curious what your issues with the movie are. Mind going into more detail than "It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars"?


The forgettable characters are exactly what make it atrocious. Star Wars fans love to talk about how much Scarif makes up for the rest of the movie, but it's really hard to get invested in the action when I'm not invested in the characters. Outside of Jyn and Andor, I couldn't tell you the name of a single character in their team. Not one. I'm supposed to care when they die, but I don't because they're just that unmemorable.

It's also very hard to get invested in the story because you know the death star plans end up with the Rebels, which saps a lot of the tension out of what is supposed to be the climax. You know Tantive IV is going to be fine, because Vader has to board it at the beginning of ANH. The whole thing is just chock full of 'why did I need to see any of this?'
   
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 Geifer wrote:
In an ideal world you just described Andor, but yeah, I'm not expecting it.

Come on, Disney. Prove me wrong. I dare you!


Probably worth checking out Rebels. Not as dark as described above, and it is in the end a kid’s show. First season needs perseverance, but is required watching. The rest is simply amazing stuff.

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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
I'm curious what your issues with the movie are. Mind going into more detail than "It's a god awful film with some of the most forgettable characters in Star Wars"?


The forgettable characters are exactly what make it atrocious. Star Wars fans love to talk about how much Scarif makes up for the rest of the movie, but it's really hard to get invested in the action when I'm not invested in the characters. Outside of Jyn and Andor, I couldn't tell you the name of a single character in their team. Not one. I'm supposed to care when they die, but I don't because they're just that unmemorable.

It's also very hard to get invested in the story because you know the death star plans end up with the Rebels, which saps a lot of the tension out of what is supposed to be the climax. You know Tantive IV is going to be fine, because Vader has to board it at the beginning of ANH. The whole thing is just chock full of 'why did I need to see any of this?'


I see, thanks.

The thing is, if that's how you feel about stories that fill in blanks between existing movies and shows, there's no point in arguing the merits of the movie. If you don't see the appeal, you don't see the appeal.

As has been mentioned already, you see the action from the perspective of non-notable characters. That's something a lot of people are interested in from a franchise that had a lot of material surrounding the big names and a where a lot revolved around the actions of those characters. It's been joked, even if it's the wrong Death Star and factually incorrect, that it's great to see the many Bothans that died to bring the rebellion those plans. It is, if you will, the behind the scenes look that shows the little people without which the rebellion couldn't succeed, but who always stand in the shadow of the big names. If that is not of interest to you, then yeah, Rogue One loses a lot of its appeal.

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 Geifer wrote:
In an ideal world you just described Andor, but yeah, I'm not expecting it.

Come on, Disney. Prove me wrong. I dare you!


Probably worth checking out Rebels. Not as dark as described above, and it is in the end a kid’s show. First season needs perseverance, but is required watching. The rest is simply amazing stuff.


Saw it. Loved it. Got to disagree on the first season thing the same way I disagree with people who say bad things about first or second season Ahsoka. It's still cool stuff because it really, really needs to start there or else you don't get the same growth, and by extension the payoff in the end isn't as big.

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