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Come on. Mat Ward gave you The Sanguinor, Death Company as TROOPS, the Furioso Librarian, Astorath the Grim, Flying Terminators-sorry, Sanguinary Guard, the Flamestorm cannon on the Baal Predator, the Descent of Angels rule......What's not to like?

Er it went from Codex Creep to Codex Sprint?

By which you mean what?

The same reasons you stated. Plus the Valkyrie,er stormbird yea thats it which can also drop dreadnoughts, plus dropping landraiders. Death company and librarian dreads.
Deepstriking landraider? Really? Really?

Power Abs and Twilight prettyvampires were given FNP bubbles, accurate deepstriking, meltaproof skimmers that transport not one, but two units, deepstriking landraiders, cascading hit dreadnoughts, able to dish out an unlimited number of wounds a turn, psyker dreadnoughts, and harpoons to pull vehicles closer. That's at least 8 things that haven't been possible in 40k before.

There's nothing bad about the codex (excpet possibly the models if pretty men aren't your thing) but all of the unprecedented new directions are absurd. I remember when people freaked out because the Orks had d3 autocannon shots on their lootas, and codexes limited themselves to 3 or 4 new units and innovations.

Squigsquasher wrote:Mat Ward gave you The Sanguinor

There you go. You just answered your own question.

Oh, and don't forget that you can now have a Psychic Dreadnought jump out of a plane using a Psychic Jump Pack whilst firing a Grappling Hook.

Also Bloodshard Rounds, Bloodfists, Blood Talons and Bloodstrike Missiles. x2

Oh yea... and they are super tight with Necrons... 3 steps from being 'bros'.

Then there's the Mary Sue Sanguinator of awesome-sauce-I-Pick-Up-Greater-Daemons-and-drop-them.

So yea, even the Fluff is pretty crazy on top of the rules.

Oh yea... you still have the reliable options found in the SMurf codex.

Frazzled wrote:Deepstriking landraider? Really? Really?

Really. Sounds cool, pretty worthless in practice.

And yet its still an option, at no cost.

Where are the drawbacks to BA vs. generic marines?
Why do they suddenly have a Valkyrie standin but with new and improved abilities?

They don't have Thunderfire Cannons and their Drop Pods hold two less people?

n0t_u wrote:They don't have Thunderfire Cannons and their Drop Pods hold two less people?

Yea, thats a brutal drawback there. BA players are practically wheelchair bound on the battlefield. Somehow they'll hav eto get by with their FAST predators...

My thoughts when I first read the Blood Angels stupid fluff, overpowered and ridiculous rules:





After reading this insane Codex I bought the White Dwarf to see what Mat Ward was actually thinking when he wrote it.
After reading the Designer's Notes I found that most of it was something my 4 year old brother would fantasize about when he's playing with his Iron Man action figures.

''Look Ediin my Iron Man is flying towards the bad guy but suddenly this jeep drops out of the sky and kills everyone of the bad guys! And look, look,
this black action figure is insane and tears the evil men to shreds!!!11!! Wow now a huge red airplane swoops in and boombaammmbonbaoldrrement,
And out of the red plane jumps Iron Man's super best friend and he has super powers and stuff but he's half dead and is in a machine!!!!!
However now the bad guys are killing some of Iron Man's friends and now Iron Man is calling the Golden action figure who is actually his daddy!!
Golden Daddy swoopps in and Baamboomcrashbang!! bad guy dead.''

And their WS6 Dreads.

And yeah, I forgot about the Deep Striking Land Raiders.

Really. Deep Striking Land Raiders. x100


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Ediin wrote:After reading the Designer's Notes I found that most of it was something my 4 year old brother would fantisize about when he's playing with his Iron Man action figures.

I'm curious - what did he actually say?

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm curious - what did he actually say?

*My previous post*

It's threads like this one that remind me why GW make me sad...it just really feels like the integrity of the game is simply not a priority for them. Grey Wolves 18 months ago were basically what Dark Angels are now, a year and a new codex later, half the online community has sigs proclaiming how they are and always have been "wolves for life". I know, I know...fickle community is fickle. Nothing to see here...

Yeah, k, but seriously - what did he actually say.

I doubt he said what you wrote above... or... I hope he didn't say what he wrote above, otherwise I'm worried...

Nothing is bad about it. It's just part of the new paradigm where absurd is the standard. It started with the last Chaos Space Marines and hasn't stopped.

When everything is crazy awesome, nothing really is.

People just can't get over that, but for every Blood Talon, there's a Doom of Malanti, or a Vendetta, or an Implosion Missile, etc.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, k, but seriously - what did he actually say.

I doubt he said what you wrote above... or... I hope he didn't say what he wrote above, otherwise I'm worried...

My brother talks like that when he plays with action figures. That was just me inserting Blood Angels-related stuff.

You should just be happy that BA didn't get bat cavalry. No matter how bad the BA 'dex is in terms of fluff and cheese, at least they're not Space Wolves, amirite?

Well they do have Bat bikers.

Ediin wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, k, but seriously - what did he actually say.

I doubt he said what you wrote above... or... I hope he didn't say what he wrote above, otherwise I'm worried...

My brother talks like that when he plays with action figures. That was just me inserting Blood Angels-related stuff.

No HBMC is asking what the guy that wrote the codex said. At leas thats how Im taking it.

The reason for all the BA hate is because they are not a tough army to beat because they are good. They are a tough army to beat because the guy that wrote it went ARE YOU FECKING SERIOUS?!?! over the top. They drop LRs from the sky for christ sakes.....speaking of christ, they have him in the army.....but hes been Space MArined and wanted golden armor, to show off how incredibly badass he is. GOLDEN ARMOR!

Thats why people hate the BA, except those guys that just have to win all the time and laugh about it

Squigsquasher wrote:What's not to like?

The blood words are pretty blood bad, but the blood rules that they blood make up are just blood silly.

KingCracker wrote:

Ediin wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, k, but seriously - what did he actually say.

I doubt he said what you wrote above... or... I hope he didn't say what he wrote above, otherwise I'm worried...

My brother talks like that when he plays with action figures. That was just me inserting Blood Angels-related stuff.

No HBMC is asking what the guy that wrote the codex said. At leas thats how Im taking it.

The reason for all the BA hate is because they are not a tough army to beat because they are good. They are a tough army to beat because the guy that wrote it went ARE YOU FECKING SERIOUS?!?! over the top. They drop LRs from the sky for christ sakes.....speaking of christ, they have him in the army.....but hes been Space MArined and wanted golden armor, to show off how incredibly badass he is. GOLDEN ARMOR!

Thats why people hate the BA, except those guys that just have to win all the time and laugh about it

Everyone points to the deep-striking Landraider without considering how monumentally stupid it is to actually deep-strike a Landraider. Are there people actually doing this to you guys or something?

I still think the Space Wolf 'dex is way more over the top, but YMMV.

Seaward wrote:Everyone points to the deep-striking Landraider without considering how monumentally stupid it is to actually deep-strike a Landraider.

Actually I think most people point it out exactly because it is stupid. In theory AND in practice.

KingCracker wrote:No HBMC is asking what the guy that wrote the codex said. At leas thats how Im taking it.

Mat Ward wrote:It made sense to me that if the Chapter's troops were grappling up close with the enemy from early on
then they would develop a method for their armoured support to perform a similar role. So the Blood Angels use Thunderhawk
Transporters to drop their Land Raiders directly into the heat of battle, trusting the tank's sturdy nature to allow for a safe landing for it, and
any passengers and crew.

Taken from page 19 of White Dwarf 364.

And of course, IMO, it's ridiculous. If it's so obvious, why didn't other chapters think of it? It's just stupid. Sorry Mat.

kirsanth wrote:

Seaward wrote:Everyone points to the deep-striking Landraider without considering how monumentally stupid it is to actually deep-strike a Landraider.

Actually I think most people point it out exactly because it is stupid. In theory AND in practice.

I thought the theory was just that it gets dropped from a Thunderhawk Transporter? I mean, sure, it may require temporarily suspending the laws of physics for the guys inside to survive, but...

Alright, it's stupid.


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Ediin wrote:

KingCracker wrote:No HBMC is asking what the guy that wrote the codex said. At leas thats how Im taking it.

Mat Ward wrote:It made sense to me that if the Chapter's troops were grappling up close with the enemy from early on
then they would develop a method for their armoured support to perform a similar role. So the Blood Angels use Thunderhawk
Transporters to drop their Land Raiders directly into the heat of battle, trusting the tank's sturdy nature to allow for a safe landing for it, and
any passengers and crew.

Taken from page 19 of White Dwarf 364.

And of course, IMO, it's ridiculous. If it's so obvious, why didn't other chapters think of it? It's just stupid. Sorry Mat.

Yes, it's stupid. It's like relying on the sturdiness of an elevator to allow for a safe landing in free fall down an elevator shaft. The elevator may well survive intact. Not so much the people inside.

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If it works in real life . . .

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Irdiumstern wrote:http://pixdaus.com/pics/1221406308civInTb.jpg
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No one's in that tank and it's got itself quite a few parachutes.

Seaward wrote:No one's in that tank and it's got itself quite a few parachutes.

+1

PLus they don't drop tanks onto the front lines because the enemy has a tendency to shoot at the aircraft.

If you get to drop LR's I should get the option of shooting down the aircraft or hitting the underside of the LR. If you're going to play landers you have to play all the lander rules.