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http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

Observe 4th Question and Answer. That was enough to make me like the fellow, despite never reading one of his books and being exposed constantly to the online vitriol for his work that sometimes exists.

/pew pew!

Yeah. I heard he had a great sense of humor, yet someone (not naming names) thought I was trolling when I said I wanted to read his autobiography

MeanGreenStompa wrote:That was enough to make me like the fellow, despite never reading one of his books and being exposed constantly to the online vitriol for his work that sometimes exists.

It is BECAUSE you have never read one of his books, that you are able to like him

Kroothawk wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:That was enough to make me like the fellow, despite never reading one of his books and being exposed constantly to the online vitriol for his work that sometimes exists.

It is BECAUSE you have never read one of his books, that you are able to like him

i have read one of his books, and have to say that after reading some of that interview, i may still loathe his books but as a person he doesnt seem half bad

All the vitriol is misdirected.

Should it be directed towards the BL editors who have final say in publishing?

Maybe some readers take things far to seriously. GW seem to be okay with Multi Lazors.

Surely as expansive and sprawling a background as 40K can stand a bit of humour?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Observe 4th Question and Answer. That was enough to make me like the fellow, despite never reading one of his books and being exposed constantly to the online vitriol for his work that sometimes exists.

Nothing says you can't like the guy and think he's a bad writer who wrote a series of atrocious books.

Oh, sorry, I shouldn't be giving reasoned and measured responses should I? I apologise, and will now revert to kind:

*ahem*

MULTI-LAZORS! This pleases him! Transforming Razorback-Land Raiders and people surfing on Falcons! MULTI-LAZORZ!!!!!1

Im not fond of hes books, if I am reading fan fiction I prefer when the authors keep within the boundaries of what the fluff has depicted or if there are plausible reasons for a change in fluff, for example Multi Lazers wouldnt be so bad if they were say an ancient, discovered weapon founded by the Mechanicum from the days before the Dark Age of Technology. But this is the only one left or there are very few.
I love when people get creative with the fluff but I do prefer it to be from a realist approach, sure you could have an army of Orks which have developed Tau tactics and even dress like them but dont make them into envoys, diplomats and preachers of the Greater Good, this goes against the Ork psyche completely.

With that said I have nothing against Goto as a person, Im just not a fan of his books, Im not going to force myself to read them and then send death threats to his home claiming that he wasted my time

In the end it IS just fan fiction, he is a fan of 40k and the Eldar so he has every right to write books about them however he wants, I just dont like how he does them.

Mr. Burning wrote:Maybe some readers take things far to seriously. GW seem to be okay with Multi Lazors.

Multi Lazors are one thing, but a fat drooling (!) child molesting Slaanesh worshipping Farseer as main character or torturing a female farseer for 180 pages before she is finally allowed to die is not acceptable and doesn't qualify him as an "Eldar fan".

As mentioned, he can be a nice guy, have a good sense of humor and be a gakky writer all at the same time.

I've suffered through three of his books and I can tell you, the vitriol for his writing is well deserved. Personal attacks about things other than his writing, not so much.

"Blame the editors"- I agree to an extent. OTOH, if his books turned out to be marvelous works, he'd get all the glory and the editors would get nil. Since the books turned out to be steaming piles, he deserves what he's gotten.

Wasn't he the single reason GW clamped down some rules for BL writers?

Did they issue an FAQ?

Do people not like his books because they are actually poorly written and bad, uninteresting stories, or do they just dislike him because his books go pretty far outside the bounds of established fluff?

The hate stems from both but I would guess more from the latter given that BL readers aren't expecting Shakespeare. Although, when you're okay with low expectations and someone still doesn't meet them . . .

Hordini wrote:Do people not like his books because they are actually poorly written and bad, uninteresting stories, or do they just dislike him because his books go pretty far outside the bounds of established fluff?

Yes, all of it, plus all the perverse stuff (hidden as Slaanesh cult things etc) he throws at people, esp. Eldar fans buying Eldar novels written by this extreme Eldar hater.

Given the strong emphasis on debauchery nearly killing the eldar and giving birth to Slaanesh and then Slaanesh then devouring the eldar souls...

Yeah, that does blow colossal chunks IMO. But, then again, I think the Soul Drinkers premise is revoltingly childish and I keep hearing this kiddies voice telling me whenever I read the back of the book or hear about them that 'Yeah but they are choas marines with mutations and stuff and they're leader is a giant fething spider dude and some of them worshipped khorne, but no they are still for the emperor but yeah they hate the imperium and the inquisition and all that but no they are heroes not bad choas marines!'

*Choas intentionally spelt that way...


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What might have been interesting would be an uncovering of senior eldar trying to bargin with one of the Other chaos powers to gain an advantage over Slaanesh. Tzeentch seems likely or even a direct chat with old mad and angry himself, Khorne.

Kroothawk wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:Maybe some readers take things far to seriously. GW seem to be okay with Multi Lazors.

Multi Lazors are one thing, but a fat drooling (!) child molesting Slaanesh worshipping Farseer as main character or torturing a female farseer for 180 pages before she is finally allowed to die is not acceptable and doesn't qualify him as an "Eldar fan".

That seems entirely plausible behaviour for a Slannesh worshipping Farseer.......

Now,

What constitutes 'canonical' fluff?

I always liked Goto for the nerdrage he inspires from people that take fluff way too seriously.

Now I love him. In a completely heterosexual way, of course.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:See here
http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

Observe 4th Question and Answer. That was enough to make me like the fellow, despite never reading one of his books and being exposed constantly to the online vitriol for his work that sometimes exists.

/pew pew!

Thanks for posting this MeanGreenStompa. I've never been very excited about GW novels because of price and emphasis on the Imperium. But he actually seems to be taking some risks and giving the eldar actual personality. For an alien race older than dirt, they've always been portrayed as far too monolithic and idealized. ie. bland. Based on this interview, they might just be interesting.

I'll be picking up one of his books this weekend.

Can anyone copypasta the text in question for those of us whose employers apparently have a problem with his site?

Thanks.

Eric

RH: It started when I asked some local students about their WH40K (Warhammer 40,000) games. They told me that they’d set up a tournament for the following week in which two teams would play against each other, one side representing the ‘Goto-verse’ and the other side representing ‘Reality.’ Apparently their group was divided over your novels, and they wanted to battle it out in the form of a game!

CG: Wow, that’s amazing! (laughs) But I wonder who won?

RH: Reality won!

CG: Of course. Was this because the eldar armies on my side kept fighting amongst themselves? Or perhaps it was because my Space Marines suddenly became full of existential angst and walked off to sulk in the corner? Or may be my army was an uncomfortable mix of eldar and Marines who didn't trust each other and just watched as the whole planet exploded?

RH: They did say something about introducing a special ‘succumbing to decadence’ saving-role for the eldar armies!

CG: Anything about multi-lasers?

RH: What?

CG: Never mind

Mastiff wrote:I'll be picking up one of his books this weekend.

I implore you to spend your money on something else, but if you follow through and purchase, please post what page you're able to get to before throwing it on the fire. Seriously...

+1 Internet for Devastator.

Thanks, man!

Eric

P.S. What IS the deal with multi-lasers? I don't think I've ever read any of his books (that I recall).

Gamble wrote:

Mastiff wrote:I'll be picking up one of his books this weekend.

I implore you to spend your money on something else, but if you follow through and purchase, please post what page you're able to get to before throwing it on the fire. Seriously...

Alright, I'll bite. What did you not like about his books?

I thought every Imperial Guard Chimaera had a multi-laser, which means that there must be multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers and multi-lasers.

MagickalMemories wrote:+1 Internet for Devastator.

Thanks, man!

Eric

P.S. What IS the deal with multi-lasers? I don't think I've ever read any of his books (that I recall).

AFAIK, all of the Astartes in his novels wield Multi-lasers, which by fluff doesn't make any sense. (As Astartes don't use multi-lasers, and they are usually a vehicle mounted weapon, requiring (IIRC) more power than a lascannon to operate, due to the high strength and rate of fire).

There was a tc squad equiped with MLs in one of his books.

There was also a razorback that in the next paragraph was a land raider than the next was a razorback again.

Oh and backflipping terminators.

Good reads but bad errors of fluff.

MagickalMemories wrote:+1 Internet for Devastator.

Thanks, man!

Eric

P.S. What IS the deal with multi-lasers? I don't think I've ever read any of his books (that I recall).

As I recall, he described a Space Marine Devastator (or Terminator? I'm not sure) utilizing a multi-laser in one of his books. This kinda became the stamp for his violations of 40k fluff, and thus MULTI-LAZORZ became a new meme! Yay!

Btw, I laughed while reading this. It's great to see that he's got a sense of humor about his own work....It makes him a likable person, and gives one more reason why Uwe Boll does not count as anything resembling the word entertainer.

From reading this interview, he seems like a smart and witty guy. I want to read his books now. Yes, I understand that the sky is falling, his books don't follow the other fluff, he made a mistake with the razorback-LR-razorback thing, and that these are the worst books possible because of it, and the world's going to end all because of C.S. Goto.

Alright, he's not historically accurate. I get that. Is he a bad writer?

micahaphone wrote:From reading this interview, he seems like a smart and witty guy. I want to read his books now. Yes, I understand that the sky is falling, his books don't follow the other fluff, he made a mistake with the razorback-LR-razorback thing, and that these are the worst books possible because of it, and the world's going to end all because of C.S. Goto.

Agreed! Everyone knows that the fluff of GW is sacrosanct, and is never retconned or contradicts itself!