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 Rented Tritium wrote:
So the devilfish is called the mantaray in spanish? That's confusing. What do they call the manta?

They totally call it a devilfish obviously.

The bomber creates a new bomb on a 2+
You cn give FnP to the riptide for 35 pts, no longer special issue it appears.
the -1 toughness against darkstrider's shots (and his squad's) is counted when checking for ID.
New rail rifles are S: 6 AP: 1 (rapid fire? Seems too good but that's what I recall)
The + range drones is pathfinder only (at least I couldn't find them anywhere else in the list)
The riptide gets up to 2 special drones (missile defense drones?) that are toughness 6, have a 4++ and a missile pod for 25pts/each. Have the riptide's charactersistics dropped already? If not I have most of them.
Most things dropped in points, all suits have multi-trackers and blacksun filters base (those now allow to ignore Blind usr and give that night-fighting ignoring usr)

Did anyone else notice shas'vre are now ld9 and have 3 attacks? seems they really are "heroes" now, rather than just glorified sergeants, nice!

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
The -1 LD ability is no more, sadly.

Thats a bummer. Also I'm having a heck of a time working with the Quotes on this forum.....

Also, according to whats written, each unit firing has to expend a markerlight to gain the +1 BS. They do not give all units the upgrade.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Most things dropped in points, all suits have multi-trackers and blacksun filters base (those now allow to ignore Blind usr and give that night-fighting ignoring usr)

Where does it say the bolded part? That indeed would help with the BS3 on crisis suits as you can take a targetting array (I assume they still exist but who knows).


edit: Does anyone know what benefit that giant drone on top of the devilfish cupola grants?

 warboss wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Most things dropped in points, all suits have multi-trackers and blacksun filters base (those now allow to ignore Blind usr and give that night-fighting ignoring usr)

Where does it say the bolded part? That indeed would help with the BS3 on crisis suits as you can take a targetting array (I assume they still exist but who knows).


edit: Does anyone know what benefit that giant drone on top of the devilfish cupola grants?

I also don't see that anywhere....

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
The bomber creates a new bomb on a 2+
You cn give FnP to the riptide for 35 pts, no longer special issue it appears.
the -1 toughness against darkstrider's shots (and his squad's) is counted when checking for ID.
New rail rifles are S: 6 AP: 1 (rapid fire? Seems too good but that's what I recall)
The + range drones is pathfinder only (at least I couldn't find them anywhere else in the list)
The riptide gets up to 2 special drones (missile defense drones?) that are toughness 6, have a 4++ and a missile pod for 25pts/each. Have the riptide's charactersistics dropped already? If not I have most of them.
Most things dropped in points, all suits have multi-trackers and blacksun filters base (those now allow to ignore Blind usr and give that night-fighting ignoring usr)

FnP on the ruptide sounds sick, missile drones as well.

I can potentially see a great anvil unit of a max squad of firewarirors with a cadre fireblade and darkstrider with drone support for just dakka ridiculousness.

Looks like lots of scary new Tau stuff to me

Seems like regular Kroots got strength and attack nerf and hounds also received strength nerf. On the bright side, they are all 1 point cheaper. If my google translator is anything to go by, they still only get stealth in forests, but they can still infiltrate.

I really hope Ethereal's army wide stubborn effects Kroot. Before, they weren't considered "Tau units". Perhaps purchasing a Shaper makes them count at Tau units and receive Ethereal's effect?

At least Kroot Hounds are still I5, so there's a good chance Kroots can break off from losing assault and regroup next turn.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

The riptide gets up to 2 special drones (missile defense drones?) that are toughness 6, have a 4++ and a missile pod for 25pts/each. Have the riptide's charactersistics dropped already? If not I have most of them.

Under XV108 cataclismo

@ warboss and samurai
In the armory section you have a part about the suits with that line (although I might have misused the term blacksun filter, rough translation on my part) and then it gives you the armour save associated with each kind of suit.
@ cthululs spy My bad, did glance over the last few pages, posted just after coming back home. It seems that here you don't see that the riptide's got a 5++ though


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@ warboss the drone is the recon drone which, when its squad is embarked merges with the devilfish. It gives the devilfish a couple items, that I seem to recall gave a no-scatter for nearby deep-strikes and something about flank attacks.
If I recall correctly about the flank part, it gave the option of choosing to come from the side of the board the devilfish/drone is on, provided it is close enough

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
@ warboss and samurai
In the armory section you have a part about the suits with that line (although I might have misused the term blacksun filter, rough translation on my part) and then it gives you the armour save associated with each kind of suit.
@ cthululs spy My bad, did glance over the last few pages, posted just after coming back home. It seems that here you don't see that the riptide's got a 5++ though


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@ warboss the drone is the recon drone which, when its squad is embarked merges with the devilfish. It gives the devilfish a couple items, that I seem to recall gave a no-scatter for nearby deep-strikes and something about flank attacks.
If I recall correctly about the flank part, it gave the option of choosing to come from the side of the board the devilfish/drone is on, provided it is close enough

I must not be seeing all the pages. I don't see the armoury page with the different armor types.

If anyone's got access to the armory pages of the codex, can we get an idea of the point costs for battlesuit systems? Also, are there any new weapon choices for XV8s?

@ samurai I do remember seeing such a page. From what I recall it's before the studio models gallery. I'll have to wait tomorrow but I'll give you a page number then if you want.
I think the page in question had the pic with all the suits standing side by side (size comparison?)

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
@ samurai I do remember seeing such a page. From what I recall it's before the studio models gallery. I'll have to wait tomorrow but I'll give you a page number then if you want.
I think the page in question had the pic with all the suits standing side by side (size comparison?)

It's also in WD400.

S6 ap1 Rail Rifles??! YAY!!

What is that long ranged (Scoped) pulse rifle??

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
@ warboss and samurai
In the armory section you have a part about the suits with that line (although I might have misused the term blacksun filter, rough translation on my part) and then it gives you the armour save associated with each kind of suit.
@ cthululs spy My bad, did glance over the last few pages, posted just after coming back home. It seems that here you don't see that the riptide's got a 5++ though


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@ warboss the drone is the recon drone which, when its squad is embarked merges with the devilfish. It gives the devilfish a couple items, that I seem to recall gave a no-scatter for nearby deep-strikes and something about flank attacks.
If I recall correctly about the flank part, it gave the option of choosing to come from the side of the board the devilfish/drone is on, provided it is close enough

Cool, thanks for the info. I'm guessing you have a source besides just the pics posted in a spanish forum as I couldn't find an armory page there except the one for weapons.

What's the point in fielding Sun Shark Bomber that produces Str5 AP5 large blasts bombs when you could field Razorshark Strike Fighter with over charge Ion Quad that fire Str8 AP4 large blast?

It also seems modulo lanzamissiles is an upgrade option, which fires 36" 2x Str7 AP4 shots and 4x if overcharge. If used with non-overcharge Quad Ion, that's a total of 8x Str7 AP4 shots, absolutely vicious against other flyers! Also, the Quad Ion is indeed turret, Helldrake's days are numbered.

So I am a bit confused because there seems to be multiple reports ... what is the profile of the weapon the broadsides get please? And how much is the skyfire upgrade? Thanks.

I'm not so sure. Assuming it isn't twin-linked, that's a mere .8844 HP per turn against a heldrake. Better than a stormraven, but still not enough to turn the tide.

To stop heldrakes, you need the power to wipe them out in 1-2 turns. The only thing in the game that can currently do this is the Vendetta.

whoadirty wrote:
So I am a bit confused because there seems to be multiple reports ... what is the profile of the weapon the broadsides get please? And how much is the skyfire upgrade? Thanks.

There are 3 rail weapons, the rail rifle at S6 , the "heavy rail rifle" at S8 (that's what the broadsides have) and the Railgun the hammeads have (remainedthe same as far as I can tell)
The skyfire upgrade is 20 points, all options are the same cost for all suits except the FnP one which is more expensive for the riptide (makes sense).
Another fun bit I remember, the special issue stuff are quite fun, one of which causes an enemy unit's weapon to have the gets hot usr, another allow a suit to punch through a tank. (exchanging all attacks for a single s10 ap1 one)

If the Broadside is toughness 4, then how many wounds does it have?


Thanks for the info btw, Bob' and Samurai'.

 Just Dave wrote:
If the Broadside is toughness 4, then how many wounds does it have?


Thanks for the info btw, Bob' and Samurai'.

Looks like 2 from the Spanish leaks

 Just Dave wrote:
If the Broadside is toughness 4, then how many wounds does it have?.

2

Oh, and another note, I1m wondering if the Skyfire system is Broadside only or other suits may take it as well?

Broadsides' stats are identical IIRC so still 2 wounds,
and the skyfire upgrade (velocity tracker?) is avalaible to all suits ( at least I couldn't see a restriction about that)

2 wounds.

Also, with what I am seeing, why would be concerned about the helldrake? The Riptide apparently can purchase the Velocity Tracker. if so, and the thing comes within 15 inches of it, it can activate the Nova Reactor and shoot it twice with a fusion blaster. Also, the guns of all the tau airplanes can fire backwards, so fly past it, then shoot it in the back at armor 10. The Broadsides can kick out (unit of 3) 12 str 7 skyfire shots a turn. Also, one of the warlord traits is that the unit gains skyfire for a turn... again... fusion blasters + skyfire = dead helldrake.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Dogface 76 wrote:
St 5 on a Blast weapon is just silly. I would rather shoot the enemy with the many other St5 AP5 weapons in the Tau list, and have no scatter issues.

Guess im building a Fighter!

Its large blast, and its the only bomber in the game that can make its bombs. I would say that its a fair option.

I'm not sure how a Str 5 AP 5 bomb, on an 11/10/10 platform with all the movement restrictions of a flyer, can be a fair option when you get a 13/12/10 Ionhead for 35 pts less and it fires Str 8 AP 3 large blast.

Eeesh, so a model that big is only 65pts, T4 and 2 wounds, and can be taken in multiples? I'm not saying it's uncompetitive, but my more cynical side could guess why they are charging so much for it...

It sounds like flyers won't be a problem for the Tau though: they'll probably become (even more) popular allies.

 Just Dave wrote:
Eeesh, so a model that big is only 65pts, T4 and 2 wounds, and can be taken in multiples? I'm not saying it's uncompetitive, but my more cynical side could guess why they are charging so much for it...

It sounds like flyers won't be a problem for the Tau though: they'll probably become (even more) popular allies.

Stat-wise, it's the same as it's always been. Just a base and size increase, and different weapon systems options.