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Well, looks like the IMF and the European Central Bank are coming in to sort out the squabbling mess that counts as government in my home country.

I predicted this, but instead of satisfaction I just feel a hollow sadness that my countrymen couldn't pull their heads out of their arses in time to sort out our nation.
I guess political, cultural and intellectual immaturity combined to make a nonviable state.
I'm saddened for my family who will have to live with the cuts, and saddened for my friends who are leaving the country in droves. I'm saddened for our partners in Europe, more responsible, more cautious, who must now clean up our mess for us. I'm sorry that you'll have to pay for our repeated long term mistakes, please know there were those in Ireland who did not agree with the polices that brought us to this.

Most of all, I'm sad for the Ireland-that-could-have-been, as we got some things right, we had some advantages. That will never happen now, and this is just another chapter in a long history of disappointments from my nation.

An Englishman, an Irishman and an Icelander walk into a bank. The Englishman stops and says "I think I'm in the wrong joke".

I like it!

I am missing something with what you have said.

Why are people leaving in droves?
Nonviable state?

ireland is suffering from budget defecits similar to the scorched earth that Labour left.

You're making it sound like the whole of the country is infected with a disease rather than the government being in debt.

The government is in a HUGE amount of debt, only surviving at all due to massive borrowing. It's infastructure is still complete pants and it's industries have stalled. It is in need of a massive bailout from the IMF and the EU central bank that will require a loss of power to our actual government (probably not a bad thing but depressing).

The situation isn't similar to the UK at all, really. Your deficit isn't nearly as bad as ours, your economy is more productive and robust, and unemployment isn't half as high, as well as the fact that your infastructure is largely solid and well planned. Ireland is in a very poor state, that is why people are leaving. It's nonviable because it can't run without massive injections of foreign cash.

Elmodiddly wrote:I am missing something with what you have said.

Why are people leaving in droves?
Nonviable state?

ireland is suffering from budget defecits similar to the scorched earth that Labour left.

You're making it sound like the whole of the country is infected with a disease rather than the government being in debt.

Your talking as if the governments debt has no impact on the citizens.

At last! A problem the Irish can't blame on us!

In all seriousness, this is a great shame - I have a considerable amount of affection for the Irish people. It IS hard, however, not to feel a small amount of schadenfreude that we, the people the Irish love to hate, will be one of the largest contributors to bailing them out.

Incidentally, I fully support it - I don't expect them to be grateful or even to acknowledge it, however.

I feel sort of like they shouldn't bail us out, if they could get away with it. The people should be held to account for their dumbass decisions. I know you HAVE to bail us out, for self protection, but I still would feel that that is an injustice when it was the stupidity of our electorate that brought us to this.

Alby, it's not all of us that hate the UK either- I have tremendous affection for this nation.

Da Boss wrote:I feel sort of like they shouldn't bail us out, if they could get away with it. The people should be held to account for their dumbass decisions. I know you HAVE to bail us out, for self protection, but I still would feel that that is an injustice when it was the stupidity of our electorate that brought us to this.

I think you're being unduly harsh on Ireland - the Euro is to blame. It's a failed experiment. When you have so many nations sharing a currency, but NOT sharing a central financial policy-making body with any sort of teeth, shenanigans are bound to ensue. You should rejoin the Pound. Fast.

Alby, it's not all of us that hate the UK either- I have tremendous affection for this nation.

Fair one. I just have difficulty accepting this whole concept that the countries we share an archipelago with are allowed to hate us, even though we prop their economies up, and that we have to just take it. The Jocks are the worst - they get billions upon billions of English tax-payers money, and all they do is slag us off. I've never met a single Scotsman that didn't have something negative to say about the English.



Rant over!

Albatross wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I feel sort of like they shouldn't bail us out, if they could get away with it. The people should be held to account for their dumbass decisions. I know you HAVE to bail us out, for self protection, but I still would feel that that is an injustice when it was the stupidity of our electorate that brought us to this.

I think you're being unduly harsh on Ireland - the Euro is to blame. It's a failed experiment. When you have so many nations sharing a currency, but NOT sharing a central financial policy-making body with any sort of teeth, shenanigans are bound to ensue. You should rejoin the Pound. Fast.

Sorry but most of Irelands problems are self caused. Their ridiculous overconfidence in the property market in particular.

And as for: Ireland should join the pound? Would you like to catch aids? ...you know you may get agreement on that by the American members here, but only because their next forgeworld purchase would cost them 99% less due the pounds strength plummeting.

whatwhat wrote:
And as for: Ireland should join the pound? Would you like to catch aids? ...you know you may get agreement on that by the American members here, but only because their next forgeworld purchase would cost them 99% less due the pounds strength plummeting.

+1 lol, sacrifices must be made to ensure the survival of my pocket book

Albatross wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I feel sort of like they shouldn't bail us out, if they could get away with it. The people should be held to account for their dumbass decisions. I know you HAVE to bail us out, for self protection, but I still would feel that that is an injustice when it was the stupidity of our electorate that brought us to this.

I think you're being unduly harsh on Ireland - the Euro is to blame. It's a failed experiment. When you have so many nations sharing a currency, but NOT sharing a central financial policy-making body with any sort of teeth, shenanigans are bound to ensue. You should rejoin the Pound. Fast.

Alby, it's not all of us that hate the UK either- I have tremendous affection for this nation.

Fair one. I just have difficulty accepting this whole concept that the countries we share an archipelago with are allowed to hate us, even though we prop their economies up, and that we have to just take it. The Jocks are the worst - they get billions upon billions of English tax-payers money, and all they do is slag us off. I've never met a single Scotsman that didn't have something negative to say about the English.



Rant over!

In the defense of the Scots, they are forced to eat Haggis.

Frazzled wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I feel sort of like they shouldn't bail us out, if they could get away with it. The people should be held to account for their dumbass decisions. I know you HAVE to bail us out, for self protection, but I still would feel that that is an injustice when it was the stupidity of our electorate that brought us to this.

I think you're being unduly harsh on Ireland - the Euro is to blame. It's a failed experiment. When you have so many nations sharing a currency, but NOT sharing a central financial policy-making body with any sort of teeth, shenanigans are bound to ensue. You should rejoin the Pound. Fast.

Alby, it's not all of us that hate the UK either- I have tremendous affection for this nation.

Fair one. I just have difficulty accepting this whole concept that the countries we share an archipelago with are allowed to hate us, even though we prop their economies up, and that we have to just take it. The Jocks are the worst - they get billions upon billions of English tax-payers money, and all they do is slag us off. I've never met a single Scotsman that didn't have something negative to say about the English.



Rant over!

In the defense of the Scots, they are forced to eat Haggis.

In the defense of Frazzled, he is from Texas.

Obligatory TEXAN and WEINER DOG image.

Sad to see Boss, I have distant relatives in Ireland who are farmers, hope they do okay in all of this.

It's also looking like Greece's debt is going to be a problem again, didn't the IMF take care of that already?

Stormrider wrote:Sad to see Boss, I have distant relatives in Ireland who are farmers, hope they do okay in all of this.

It's also looking like Greece's debt is going to be a problem again, didn't the IMF take care of that already?

Do not worry. Your distant relations' massive subsidy will not be affected.

I think ireland will be better off under the rule of benign german technocrats than either main irish political party.

Perhaps it is time to remove all the whiskey in Ireland so that a sober country can make a decision about how to take care of the situation. I saw that episode of Family Guy, I know how much drinking goes on there.

Da Boss wrote: It's infastructure is still complete pants

It amuses me to take this statement literally - highways made of neatly pressed trousers, powerplants protected by layers of jeans, train tracks formed of lined up shots.

I guess Ireland can at least be greatfull Da Boss doesn't mean trousers when he says pants, and even more gratefull that he doesn't mean pants when he says pants.

Is Ireland still apart of England or is it its own country? I know this is a stupid question but I can't remember anymore

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The Republic of Ireland is not.

Seriously?

'Ireland is an imaginary place at the end of the rainbow where all the leprechauns live.' - That's the picture I get of most American's view on ireland.

Ireland were effectively at war with Britain for the best part of the last hundred years, so no.

At least China and Timor aren't buying your debt.

Wow thank you for automatically assuming because I am an American that I think Ireland is filled with leperchauns and rainbows I only asked that question to regain knowledge Ive lost on this subject

BloodDrop101X wrote:Is Ireland still apart of England or is it its own country? I know this is a stupid question but I can't remember anymore

Seriously Dude, you should google this rather than post it on a forum for all and sundry to see. You're not doing the stereotype of geographically challenged Americans any favor.

BloodDrop101X wrote:Wow thank you for automatically assuming because I am an American that I think Ireland is filled with leperchauns and rainbows I only asked that question to regain knowledge Ive lost on this subject

to be fair you did ask if ireland was a country...

whatwhat wrote:
Ireland were effectively at war with Britain for the best part of the last hundred years, so no.

yeah but you wernt very good at it

WarOne wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I feel sort of like they shouldn't bail us out, if they could get away with it. The people should be held to account for their dumbass decisions. I know you HAVE to bail us out, for self protection, but I still would feel that that is an injustice when it was the stupidity of our electorate that brought us to this.

I think you're being unduly harsh on Ireland - the Euro is to blame. It's a failed experiment. When you have so many nations sharing a currency, but NOT sharing a central financial policy-making body with any sort of teeth, shenanigans are bound to ensue. You should rejoin the Pound. Fast.

Alby, it's not all of us that hate the UK either- I have tremendous affection for this nation.

Fair one. I just have difficulty accepting this whole concept that the countries we share an archipelago with are allowed to hate us, even though we prop their economies up, and that we have to just take it. The Jocks are the worst - they get billions upon billions of English tax-payers money, and all they do is slag us off. I've never met a single Scotsman that didn't have something negative to say about the English.



Rant over!

In the defense of the Scots, they are forced to eat Haggis.

In the defense of Frazzled, he is from Texas.

Obligatory TEXAN and WEINER DOG image.

Thats the former lair of TBone and the Shanker, prior to their permanent headquarters at Castle Frazzled!

Gibbsey wrote:

whatwhat wrote:
Ireland were effectively at war with Britain for the best part of the last hundred years, so no.

yeah but you wernt very good at it

Ture that. The guerilla warfare and terrorism from the British side was rather poor and lacked effort, it was almost as if Britain didn't want a war at times

The more important question, will this lower the price of Guinness?

Why of course, I forgot to include guiness in my generalisation of the American view on Ireland...lets see we have rainbows and leprechauns, the exhonorat freedom fighting IRA and Guiness.

whatwhat wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

whatwhat wrote:
Ireland were effectively at war with Britain for the best part of the last hundred years, so no.

yeah but you wernt very good at it

Ture that. The guerilla warfare and terrorism from the British side was rather poor and lacked effort, it was almost as if Britain didn't want a war at times

that was kind of my point, but i had meant to say "they" instead of "you"