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halonachos wrote:
I don't know, but I find it funny that you're arguing for the possible existence of something despite the lack of physical proof funny in this context. I'm talking about your sig BTW.

I'm not arguing for anything, I merely gave phrase to my speculation.

I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

dogma wrote:I'm wondering if The Airman is a certain Cynical Brit, or a follower thereof.

The guy who plays World of Warcraft, among other things? I can't say I do. I wasn't aware he had a known stance on this topic.

dogma wrote:If my belief in God allows me to continue living, and I want to live, then believing in God is rational.

Its a generalized form of Pascale's Wager.

The Airman wrote:The guy who plays World of Warcraft, among other things? I can't say I do. I wasn't aware he had a known stance on this topic.

He doesn't, but the top-hatted and monocled tank gave a certain impression.

Ahtman wrote:I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

Hey, ghosts are supposed to be trapped souls so if they exist then that means souls trapped on Earth exist and if trapped souls exist that means untrapped souls can also possibly exist. Sure it's farfetched for most people, but it works for me.

@Dogma: I just think its funny that you're speculation on this subject seems pro soul/heaven by being anti-Hawking and your sig is a quote from a man who wrote "Why I am Not a Christian".

@Airman: Your view on Christians seems incredibly broad and vague, its like saying all Muslims are the same despite the fact that there are Sunni and Shiite muslims. Not all Christian faiths follow the same traditions and beliefs, predestination was popular to certain groups while there were other faiths that used depictions of the Saints and then there are those who don't really celebrate the Saints. Even then you have different sects of those sects; Baptist and Southern Baptist for example.

halonachos wrote:
@Dogma: I just think its funny that you're speculation on this subject seems pro soul/heaven by being anti-Hawking and your sig is a quote from a man who wrote "Why I am Not a Christian".

Bad arguments are bad regardless of their actual content.

dogma wrote:

halonachos wrote:
@Dogma: I just think its funny that you're speculation on this subject seems pro soul/heaven by being anti-Hawking and your sig is a quote from a man who wrote "Why I am Not a Christian".

Bad arguments are bad regardless of their actual content.

Ah, so you were just being anti-bad.

I just lost a bit of respect for Hawking through this, that's all. Clearly he's entitled to his opinions I just thought he was a bit classier than that.

Ahtman wrote:I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

Ghosts do exist!

Slarg232 wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

Ghosts do exist!

...and you have proof?

Fafnir wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

Ghosts do exist!

...and you have proof?

Despite the fact that my neighbor's son stays at home, and nobody named "Abi" has ever been to their house he'll sometimes ask "Where's Abi?". Then there's the fact that my neighbor's fiancee has dreams about a young girl named "Abi" and when my friend was young he once saw a young girl sitting on his bed. Their front door opens and closes on its own sometimes and it's the primary reason I never slept over his house when we were younger, tried it once but that damn door pulled one of its tricks that night.

Then there was the time I saw my cat, which was cool except he had died the week before.

halonachos wrote:@Airman: Your view on Christians seems incredibly broad and vague

As it should be since they're a large and diverse group. I was trying to tie them together via the following of Jesus (as a path to salvation) but I'll admit I was flawed in my approach. The original point that was made was that Christianity isn't based upon salvation, in which I disagreed with. But apparently that's just me.

halonachos wrote:Despite the fact that my neighbor's son stays at home, and nobody named "Abi" has ever been to their house he'll sometimes ask "Where's Abi?". Then there's the fact that my neighbor's fiancee has dreams about a young girl named "Abi" and when my friend was young he once saw a young girl sitting on his bed. Their front door opens and closes on its own sometimes and it's the primary reason I never slept over his house when we were younger, tried it once but that damn door pulled one of its tricks that night.

Then there was the time I saw my cat, which was cool except he had died the week before.

Fafnir wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

Ghosts do exist!

...and you have proof?

Photoshop's wonderful, ain't it?

We cannot understand these things unless we understand what consciousness is. Some scientists argue that it is preserved after death in quantum particles (or something like that), which if it was true, would give a good explanation for a lot of things, like ghosts. Not a supernatural one, but a scientific reason why ghosts could, in fact, exist. Of course, there is little evidence to support this, but I think it is plausible, if scientists think so too.

malfred wrote:

LordofHats wrote:
The BEST that could happen is a zombie apocalypse.

Fixed your typo!

but then we have the CDC zombie survival guide.

Fafnir wrote:Photoshop's wonderful, ain't it?

See, you clearly didn't see it; go back and look again.

Mike Noble wrote:We cannot understand these things unless we understand what consciousness is. Some scientists argue that it is preserved after death in quantum particles (or something like that), which if it was true, would give a good explanation for a lot of things, like ghosts. Not a supernatural one, but a scientific reason why ghosts could, in fact, exist. Of course, there is little evidence to support this, but I think it is plausible, if scientists think so too.

Which scientists?


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Slarg232 wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Photoshop's wonderful, ain't it?

See, you clearly didn't see it; go back and look again.

If you look in the bottom right hand corner, next to the stairs, there is an uncanny giant sperm.

The Airman wrote:

halonachos wrote:Despite the fact that my neighbor's son stays at home, and nobody named "Abi" has ever been to their house he'll sometimes ask "Where's Abi?". Then there's the fact that my neighbor's fiancee has dreams about a young girl named "Abi" and when my friend was young he once saw a young girl sitting on his bed. Their front door opens and closes on its own sometimes and it's the primary reason I never slept over his house when we were younger, tried it once but that damn door pulled one of its tricks that night.

Then there was the time I saw my cat, which was cool except he had died the week before.

You're just jealous that I saw a ghost and you didn't.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:We cannot understand these things unless we understand what consciousness is. Some scientists argue that it is preserved after death in quantum particles (or something like that), which if it was true, would give a good explanation for a lot of things, like ghosts. Not a supernatural one, but a scientific reason why ghosts could, in fact, exist. Of course, there is little evidence to support this, but I think it is plausible, if scientists think so too.

Which scientists?

Some. Like I said, this is just something that has been suggested. I doubt it has any research done yet. I really cannot remember where I read this though, if I do I'll link it. It may be easier to just Google it though.

Slarg232 wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Photoshop's wonderful, ain't it?

See, you clearly didn't see it; go back and look again.

Left side of the screen, extremely creepy face

Slarg232 wrote:See, you clearly didn't see it; go back and look again.

Did you see that amazing documentary where humanity went to this planet with giant blue natives and they all started fighting? I didn't even know we had gone further than the moon! What an eye opener!

Mike Noble wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:We cannot understand these things unless we understand what consciousness is. Some scientists argue that it is preserved after death in quantum particles (or something like that), which if it was true, would give a good explanation for a lot of things, like ghosts. Not a supernatural one, but a scientific reason why ghosts could, in fact, exist. Of course, there is little evidence to support this, but I think it is plausible, if scientists think so too.

Which scientists?

Some. Like I said, this is just something that has been suggested. I doubt it has any research done yet. I really cannot remember where I read this though, if I do I'll link it. It may be easier to just Google it though.

Without any kind of reference it is rather an ectoplasmic claim.

"I think I read somewhere that some scientists said blah blah blah" doesn't really support your hypothesis.

The onus is on you to produce references in support of your claim, so that people who disagree will be able to do the appropriate research.

Slarg232 wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I have to admit I am enjoying the argument that souls have exist because ghosts might exist.

Ghosts do exist!

...and you have proof?

That face to the left is disconcerting as in, OHCRAPEMPTYTHECLIPNOWSTABWITHTHESWISSARMYKNIFESTABSTABSTABYEATHATSHOWWEDOITINTTEXASGHOSTFREAKHEYWHYYOUCRYIN?

It's okay, it's wearing a mask, so it must just be your regular superhero/supervillain hiding out in someone's cellar.

I've already stated my views on the matter, but just as a little side note on the "do ghosts exist" side of the argument:

-While I'm not trying to prove whether or not you've seen something paranormal, many of the purported "hauntings" of older houses are actually caused by a little bit of caveman left in your brain. Basically, when you hear infrasound (sound with a lower frequency than you can normally hear), caused usually by old pipes or areas of resonance, your body goes into "alert" mode, as if a saber toothed tiger was hunting you. This leads to your body being "paranoid", in a sense, as it will detect threats and anomalies even when there are none, as this little bit of caveman left says "predator nearby. Be on the lookout".

What, because a famous old dude said he doesn't believe in heaven it requires a dozen pages of debate?

What about the various famous old dudes who say there is a heaven? I want to see twelve pages on THAT.

Slarg232 wrote:

Why has no one photoshopped a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT into this picture yet?

micahaphone wrote:I've already stated my views on the matter, but just as a little side note on the "do ghosts exist" side of the argument:

-While I'm not trying to prove whether or not you've seen something paranormal, many of the purported "hauntings" of older houses are actually caused by a little bit of caveman left in your brain. Basically, when you hear infrasound (sound with a lower frequency than you can normally hear), caused usually by old pipes or areas of resonance, your body goes into "alert" mode, as if a saber toothed tiger was hunting you. This leads to your body being "paranoid", in a sense, as it will detect threats and anomalies even when there are none, as this little bit of caveman left says "predator nearby. Be on the lookout".

To expand on this: certain frequencies can also vibrate the retina, causing minor visual hallucinations as one tries to interpret junk data indicating movement in the corner of one's eye. Here's a Cracked article for further elaboration.

Melissia wrote:What, because a famous old dude said he doesn't believe in heaven it requires a dozen pages of debate?

A significant amount of it was due to people who couldn't understand that it wasn't his opinion that was objected to, it was the insult he tagged on to the end.